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 Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V) VI, Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)

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post Oct 13 2016, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 13 2016, 05:19 PM)
I think its 400k...
Not sure FP or not..
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If fp + "free charges" like asnb = good fund.. if not, mehhh.
Non bumi can buy this ahb? Heard very good sambutan, sold out.
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post Oct 13 2016, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 13 2016, 07:42 PM)
Actually KGF beats ASX FP hands down. Both invest in malaysia stock market.

ASB is never full. Or else hoohah whistling.gif whistling.gif
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What's kgf??
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post Oct 13 2016, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 13 2016, 07:50 PM)
Kenanga growth fund. But because of all kind of issue (xmdb, china, US) KGF, is not performing at the moment. KGF is one of malaysia top performing unit trust. If you want to see the "real" performance of ASX FP,  just look at ASG and ASN3. That will give you general idea how it perform.

Of course we just have to pray that their reserves don't run out.
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thanks berow, KGF is vp ut?
I believe overall ut are performing not well due to macroeconomic of Malaysia since 1mdb scandal.

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post Oct 13 2016, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 13 2016, 08:20 PM)
Yes. Like I said malaysia top fund.
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did u park some money in there? biggrin.gif
I kinda refused vp ut because of entry/exit fees + yearly management fess. I'm cheapskate and rather park in "free" zone like asnb and take it as another form of FD.
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post Oct 13 2016, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 13 2016, 08:25 PM)
Too bad, non bumi not entitled..

Good demand, almost sold out because it's shariah compliance with 6sen+ dividend yearly paid twice (3sen+). Whatever given already deduct zakat.. Unlike ASB, u needed to calculate own self..
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focus on "big 3" of asnb for non bumi. tongue.gif
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post Oct 13 2016, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Oct 13 2016, 08:47 PM)
those who purchase online be careful. i made a few transaction online few days back, and it showed approved. today, it turned rejected and refunded. i'm like what ??
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wt f???? do you go to asnb and asked about this? They charged u rm1.06 and ended up refund all back to u???
Which funds u have been bought and rejected? confused.gif
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post Oct 13 2016, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 13 2016, 08:20 PM)
Yes. Like I said malaysia top fund.
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Hi sir, off topic question.
Where can I check latest NAV price for KGF? Can I check it on "daily updates basis" like stocks in KLSE?
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post Oct 13 2016, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 13 2016, 09:27 PM)
Not all VP have exit fees. Also if you buy from FSM/eunittrust, entry fees only 2%. Sometimes can get 1%/0.57%/0% besides what is 2% if you are holding for 3 years +? Unless you buy from agent then ya la. Straight up lose 5%+ whistling.gif whistling.gif

Management fees is already calculated in the NAV. You won't see it. Besides experience from holding ASG, I don't see them deducting management fees (management fees is already calculated in the NAV - learn that after being told off). But for me, as long as don't see, who cares. If see only heart sick. biggrin.gif

Again like I said there are some free funds like RHB Islamic Bond Fund. Even though you pay management fees (calculated in the NAV already), but you still get 7.x% every year. The only downside is not liquid enough for me with exit fees if don't hold for 1 year. Btw, I dont put any money in RHB islamic bond fund.

I am a cheapskate guy too. ASX FP is my FD as is liquid. I already transferred 75% of my FD into ASX FP. No point holding FD when FD rates  dropping like a rock and need to keep running to the bank every yewr. No UT in the market can offer me that acceptable return with that high liquidity. That's why I still hold despite I can get 7.x% there are ways to get UT at 0% SC (buy from eunittrust whenever they have 0% promo).
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FSM = fundsupermarket?

RHB Islamic Bond FUnd seems promising, but can I buy as non bumi/Islamic?

I might diverse my FD into ASX FP and "trustworthy/solid" UT (try small amount), but I wouldn't buy ASG with banks...


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post Oct 13 2016, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(annas473 @ Oct 13 2016, 09:58 PM)
Stick with saving. Decide when new dividends announced.

How much interest do bank offer?
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Dividends of asb semakin rendah and may not much of "meats go eat".

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post Oct 13 2016, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 13 2016, 09:42 PM)
Yes. FSM is fund super mart.

RHB islamic bond = invest in bond which furfilled islamic priniciples. Same like maybank eGIA-i. Open to all. Islamic here is just islamic principle.

I would never buy ASG anymore again. Already diverted my ASG into ASX FP.
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Nasib baik I didn't naik kereta of asg... thanks for warned me smile.gif
RHB Islamic bond can be done via rhb online? Or I've to go open at bank and top up later via online? Or both need to be done at bank?

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post Oct 13 2016, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 13 2016, 11:10 PM)
Not sure, you might need to ask RHB bank for their service availability.

But I believe FSM has more option as beside RHB Islamic bond, you can invest in other UT and have every fund you invested via FSM, be it Kenanga or RHB Asset Management etc... consolidated in one account smile.gif

btw Ramjade I think Asx FP is not as liquid as eGIA at the moment, cos you still need to go to branches to sell the unit to get the money, unless their soon to be online platform can buy/sell from/to your bank account then ok  laugh.gif
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Thanks for advise smile.gif
Do we receive pro rate of dividends if we sell the units of asnb before "official dividends" date?

Gia return is too low, I'll park short term emergency funds in gia and lt emergency funds in asx fp.
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QUOTE(jonoave @ Oct 13 2016, 11:48 PM)
Ouch, but glad to hear that I'm not the only one.

I did a similar transaction early last week, and that was successful. So I made another attempt on Friday and was initially glad that it approved, but not suddenly rejected.

Guess we just have to keep trying...  icon_rolleyes.gif
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1.06 charged for per tried? What online banking you're using?
What amount is "logical" input for each try?
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 14 2016, 12:26 AM)
You need to understand that dividend declared will reduce the asset of the fund, hence NAV will drop.

Since fixed price fund had their NAV fixed at RM1, performance of the fund is irrelevant, and the dividend declare will not bring down the NAV, hence the reinvested unit into your holding will increase the value of your fund

Contrast to ASNB variable price fund (ASn/ASG) and UT in general, dividend declared will bring down the NAV value by the dividend declare. Should you choose to reinvest the unit at the latest NAV, your fund value will remain the same. However, if you choose to cash out the divdend by cash/cheque, your fund value will decrease by the amount of dividend you cash out.

Hence for UT in general (except FP Asx), the fund value will be determine by the amount of unit you hold and the NAV aka return of the fund, dividend declared wont affect you fund value as a whole.

So, RHB Islamic Bond fund, being a UT, performance will be determined by the growth of the NAV. But being a fixed income UT, the fund is generally low risk, hence less volatile to achieve steadily rising performance and have an annualized return about 7% in 10 years historical performance. smile.gif

Of course, past performance is not a representation for future performance, likewise for dividend declared for FP Asx, but it is a benchmark that it can deliver consistent performance. Moreover, compared to its peers, RHB islamic bond fund was proved to be the pioneer in sukuk (islamic bond) UT fund (it just shariah compliant investment, everyone can invest into it)

Should you sell your holding for RHB islamic bond fund, you will sell according to the current NAV, but I will recommend to put the amount you invested at least a year to prevent redemption charge of 1% of the amount you withdraw (if the amount you invested stay in the fund at least a year, the redemption charge is not applicable)

I will recommend the following strategy:

Highest level emergency fund : eGIA as you can uplift everyday (including weekend and PH) from 6am to 10pm
Comment : Very liquid

Medium level emergency fund : FP Asx as they gave high dividend but only can sell during working days and office hour at the moment (unless online platform change the landscape :lol)
Comment : Traditional liquid (OTC withdrawal)

Lowest level emergency fund : RHB islamic bond fund as they provide consistent higher return (historical) than Asx FP dividend, provided you can take a bit risk and can forgo the FD's PIDM capital guarantee concept.
Comment : Need few days to receive the fund, and the amount invested need to be put at least a year to avoid redemption charge
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Thanks for such informative feedbacks and advised smile.gif

I need to read more about the concept of vp funds, but now I starting understand why dividends of vp funds need to reinvested into the fund again. To "hold" the current NAV value?

I don't get it about asx fp,
For example, I uplift/sold units of ASM (fp fund) before 6 months of dividends declaration. Am I eligible to receive 6/12 months of dividends? But how it's calculated? Since the coming dividends not yet declared.

Do I get pro rated dividends like how I surrender in certain fd?
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QUOTE(jonoave @ Oct 14 2016, 12:30 AM)
Yeah, RM1.06 charged per attempt regardless successful or not, that's the worst part of trying online.

I'm using CIMB clicks.
I dunno what is the best logical input. I know it's a difficult process since many people are trying so I might suggest to start with a small amount.
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Ya lo.. charges incurred no matter success of top up or not. I think it's hard to top up online because I have no idea how much shd I try.. 1k? 5k? 10k? Few hundreds?
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QUOTE(ivzh @ Oct 14 2016, 12:21 AM)
guys, what is the biggest sum u guys succesfully top up online via cimbclick?
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I think can get 5 figures post dividends declared.
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 14 2016, 01:09 AM)
To maintain the fund value, that is before dividend = after dividend reinvested to be exact smile.gif

Regarding to Asx FP, think of it like normal saving accounts which intesrest are calculated daily and credited halfyearly, even though you withdraw some of your savings from it, as long as your account is not closed, you will still get the pro-rated interest at the time of interest crediting smile.gif

Similarly, Asx dividend is calculated monthly minimum balance and credit yearly

Say for a hypothetical FP which has a dividend distribution date of 30/6/2016

From 1/7/2015, you have 3000 unit in it.

Then on 11/10/2015, you top up 1000 unit into it.

Then on 1/3/2016 you top up another 500 unit into it.

Then on 4/4/2016, you withdraw 700 unit from it.

The dividend is calculated by monthly minimum balance illustrated below:
note: X = dividend distribution yet to known until distribution date

July 2015 to September 2015 : 3000 * 3 / 12 * X

October 2015 to February 2016 : 4000 * 5 / 12 * X

March 2016 : 4500 * 1 / 12 * X

April 2016 to June 2016 : 3800 * 3 / 12 * X

Say on 30/6/2016, they declared 6 sen per unit (which is X)

As long as you still have minimum balance in the fund (much like saving account) by the distribution date, you are entitled the sum of pro-rated dividend calculated as above smile.gif

This is unlike premature withdrawal of FD (more tahn 3 months) where you get the pro-rated interest upon uplift

Asx FP follows mechanism similar to saving account smile.gif
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very very well explanations with given example, I feel like listening to financial classes during University era biggrin.gif

Many thanks bro, I've learnt some useful thing!


So the total dividends I would received as at 30/6/2016: (6sen) equally as "total amounts" of below calculations?

July 2015 to September 2015 : 3000 * 3 / 12 * X

October 2015 to February 2016 : 4000 * 5 / 12 * X

March 2016 : 4500 * 1 / 12 * X

April 2016 to June 2016 : 3800 * 3 / 12 * X
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guys I've some off question about "Full flexi mortgage loan" vs Asx fp,

Is it wise to park money into current account of full flexi mortgage loan (to reduce interest payable) instead of Asx fp?

I simply think it's better to invest those money into Asx fp because of the return of fp/vp funds is out run the interest charges of mortgage loan... (let's say 4.6%)

Am I right? Or I've neglected necessary parts that should take consideration?
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Morning, man don't apologize, I've learn a lot from your explanation biggrin.gif
Yeah, you're right about diversification. I'm learning to know more about reit and vp funds.


Actually I don't understand this statement "To maintain the fund value, that is before dividend = after dividend reinvested to be exact". Do you mind to show me some example with figures? (Whenever you're in leisure)

I would like to know "the impacts" of taking out dividends from vp funds, and why it's "better/suggested" to reinvest into the funds.

Have a good day smile.gif
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Thanks again for such good lesson! Now I know the dividends/distribution effects on different investment products.

Scenario 1 Choice 2:
NAV rose to RM 0.55 * 1.1 = RM 0.605
You will have fund value of 2181.82 unit * NAV @ RM 0.605 = RM 1,320.00
Total value = Fund value = RM 1,320.00

Scenario 2:
NAV rose to RM 0.60 * 1.1 = RM 0.66
You will have fund value of 2000 unit * NAV @ RM 0.66 = RM 1,320.00
Total value = Fund value = RM 1,320.00


That's the reason why we should reinvested the distribution/dividends into the funds, to "earn more". It's quite different than the concept of stock, but still can understand it with perspective of "compounding interest".

What I get based on above examples, this means the "eventually value"/performance indicator of VP UT funds is depends on the price of NAV.

I shouldn't be tricked/confused/impressed by how those agents describing their distribution or dividends because it's not the same dividends concept compared to Stock/REITS.

I should have look at the "historical price" of NAV to study how those funds performing?
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Oct 14 2016, 02:51 PM)
CIMB the best. Why? They treat that bank like a pearl (brother of you know who mah). You get more infor on that web site. They are also testing out ASM and ASW in CIMB online. Other banks belum ada.

See ...?
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Mbb online asx fp = apa pun tarak.

Cannot top up biggrin.gif
just do it otc.

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