FFK Seller - 3536837

Profile Link : http://forum.lowyat.net/user/39109

Thread Link : http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=394001&hl=

I won a bid for his ATP 3 last night. But he said his already sell it to another guy that come to his house. Before this i PM him asking about quick grab price but he said no quick grab and must wait until bidding finish (20/1/2007).

So i wait and bid at 11.57pm (20/1/2007) at Rm96. Until 12.01am (21/1/2007) no body higher than me. So i won. I'm already give my contact to arrange cod, but he give me a PM that the item already sold. WTF..

This post has been edited by RBR: Jan 24 2007, 09:18 AM

Possibly he got bids from sms or phone calls leh. Even he really FFK, welcome to the real world.

No. I don't think so. I feel the bid amount isn't enough for him and he just give a reason the speaker sold oledi.

He already delete his word in thread. But truely he is dishonest person. Attitude like dog like the picture in his profile.

huh.. seller mau duit lebih laa tuu...

a'ah.. rasa macam tu jugak.. alasan je tu dah ada org beli.. nak buat bidding style tapi tak berani nak tanggung rugi..

emmeir - Have you pm him to come over?

Yes. Already did it.

U have lucky too.. becoz ur money not go out already. Only have angre for him.
On ur history I also have it too. After That i dont want to buy item like bidding style...

Yaya.. Maybe he think a lot of ppl here want his item and thought ppl will bid in high price.. But his wrong..

Well IMHO if a seller want more $ and think your bid not enaugh he can just open a new ID to bid higher price in his own thread. This happened all the time in lelong.com. Most main/big sellers do that all the time. Or he can just tell you just took out the speaker to test and tested no power no sound. Apa boleh buat? So just move on find another seller lor. This is just tiny problem only. No money involve.

This post has been edited by seeseng: Jan 21 2007, 06:51 PM

Yes no money involved. But involved time and energy. The seller should honest and follow the rules in bidding style.

is there any rules for biding in here?.. maybe lowyat.net have to come with fix rules...

bidding style rules is same. but the seller ages is 19. that ages will not follow the rules. look at his signature.


This post has been edited by emmeir: Jan 21 2007, 08:03 PM

I agree with u for this.. must have rules for bid style..

Agreed.

susah la kalo dah menang lelongan, tp penjual x nak jual barang die...
well, that's what i think.....

well well....1st things i wanna to mention is "age" problem , yes...i'm 19 so wat ? age 19 can't sell/buy item at lyn ? or both of u guys got prejudice of age 19 guy ? or both of u think age 19 is unmature ? no ! u are wrong....

well..honestly , emmeir is won tat bid , but tat item aleadi sold before 20/1/2007 @ 11:59am. (tat means item is sold when his bidding) and after i sold tat item i planning to logon lyn to motified tat topic but unfortunely tat times my pc keep dc and i just forget it.

yes , b4 tat i got tell emmeir had no quick grab price. but , when 20/1/2007 around 9pm++ got a guys walk-in to my house n asking to test speaker (tat guys straight call my hp and request to test,so i tell him my address and allow him to come) well , his really come at correct timing and satisfied tat speaker and grab it go straight.

another things , is it truth seller got right to cancel that auction ?

This post has been edited by 3536837: Jan 21 2007, 11:30 PM

bidding close time is on 20/1 mean 11.59.59sec. So that you CAN"T sell the item before that. That the rules of bidding. Unless you state the quick grab price at the thread.

yeah, that's right . You should reserve the item for the bidder. if u really wanne money so badly, then put a fixed price...

Put End of bid but sold before end date? realy not good people...
realy not mature..young boy always not think for long term...

This post has been edited by bobmarley: Jan 21 2007, 11:47 PM

thread starter, i think i dont think you should waste your time on this kind of ppl. from his posting, you should know that he is a self centered , immature and childish 'so called' 19 years old dude. he thought he is the only dude that selling speaker and think that he have the right to do anything he want without understand what is a auction.

i think he is just making the story up to cover his ass from got flame by other forummers.

just move on and dont worry, this kind of ppl will suffer later in his life when he get into the real working world.

Thanks bro . I totally agree with you.

so, you can calm down now? topic close oredy..

i'm already calm down. just wanna complain and teach him some lesson. also to aware others about this guy.

ok lo. after this dont try to bidding any more le can make we angry after bid win and cannot get the item..

well..i repeat again , seller had right to cancel the auction.....and now item aleadi is sold , emmeir what to u wan now ?

u have the right to cancel the auction before it happens, not while it's going on

no. seller didn't have a right to cancel the auction unless it stated in the thread. but unlucky, it didn't state there.

Bulls**t!
You can only say that if you have stated the rules in you're topic when u start the bidding sales...
If you didn't state that, then you can't end the auction to you're own liking...

Stop being a liar boy.
It's you're mistake...

And another thing, from what i see in you're thread, there's so many people already bid, and suddenly, you've sold off without a notice to the winner, and now, you wanna say you've cancel the auction when there's already a winner?

That's full of crap!

The only thing that you can do now is admit you're mistake, and say you're sorry to emmeir...

It's you're mistake boy, admit it...

Emmeir, request from the mod to give this guy a "Bad Trader" tag..
Reason: Didn't kept his promise.

ANY STATEMENT STATED THAT SELLER HAD THE RIGHT TO CANCEL THE AUCTION?

"For auction items, you cannot sell your item(s) to any other buyer before auction close"

Anyway, 3536837 already deleted his 1st & 2nd post. So, no point saying that I did stated this and that.

IMO, 3536837 do not have common sense, logic thinking and do not have what actually AUCTION is all about.

3536837 deserve a 'BAD TRADER'.

This post has been edited by Joshua_0718: Jan 22 2007, 02:25 AM

well , if want talk abt "state" .... did i state highest bidder = emmeir ?

i din't promised him anything and where got ffk ?

This post has been edited by 3536837: Jan 22 2007, 03:44 AM

admin can check the post before he modify

lol, immature boy trying to be mature.. joke of the day
he did post in the time which is set/given by u then it is a valid bid la duh
dont tell me u wana sell to the 1 that u state under highest bidder n not to the highest bidder in ur thread? if u r smart, u know what am i talking about
stop making urself a fool boy

IMHO, for the next time, when somebody opened their thread for sell/buy any stuffs, who interested to buy/sell their item should quoted the 1st post (that created by the TS)... dont reply without any proof... so that we can captured the 1st post (which is ori from the TS)... it can be used when the problem like this arise in future...

Admins can always revive them

ok then , wat do u want me to do ?

What chicken shit are you talking? If emmeir is not the highest bidder in YOUR THREAD, then who is the one?

Don't tell me the guy who went to your house is a BIDDER, he is NOT

Since you start the auction, you need to end it completely with your words.

Of course, you need to sell the TS a ATP3 at the price he won!

This post has been edited by Joshua_0718: Jan 22 2007, 09:54 AM

You must admit your fault. Say sorry to all the bidder from the beginning forumer khaneys until liquid_ooze. And the last one you know who.

This post has been edited by emmeir: Jan 22 2007, 11:15 AM

well....i persisted myself have no fault and won't apologise

if others bidders oso request me apologise , i may consider it

This post has been edited by 3536837: Jan 22 2007, 11:20 AM

so that i had to request bad trafer tag for you as a present . let's mod decide it.

oh man 3536837 .. u really have a sad life... were u abused ?? no one is supporting ur act and u still think u r right??

This post has been edited by luvfun: Jan 22 2007, 11:33 AM

Maybe you lost your mind edi... You still don't want to lose right? You think you so smart or what? You loser.

no 1 support me , i oso don care.....at least i won't beg ppl to support me and i still stand at my side.

Don't talk crap!! Just apologize

my point was.. no one supporting u means that u are totally wrong ... u are so brainless to even interpret that... grow up man .. 19 is a ripe age...

Quoted all your immature replies. It's obvious that you're at fault for not honoring the winner and sold the ATP3 to someone else (or maybe you kept it for your own use since you can't get the price you want).

Mods, this guy should be given a bad trader tag, really, just look at his immature replies, and he didn't even want to admit his fault.



Whose begging for people to support them?
You think emmeir is begging for some support?

We all here doesn't come to support him, we didn't even know him...

It's the fact that we all here see that you are at fault, and you have to apologize...
Why is it so hard to admit you're mistake and apologize?

Is it a shame to you're family?
Huh?

Eyy budak, apologize before you got you'reself a Bad Trader tag, and no one else will deal with you again, and me myself, i will spam all you're sales topic, and tell everyone that you are a bad trader, so that no one else will deal with you...

It's either you do, or you will get a bad trader tag

may b both of u can consider me as immature.....then wat do all think abt emmeir ?

What's with emmeir?
He didn't do anything wrong la you dumbass!

It's you're fault la budak!

Jangan carik salah orang la, ini salah kau, apologize je la, susah sangat ke?

Baka!

Another thing, read all the post again, everyone's replies, read all of them over and over again, all of us here stand still with our opinion, saying that u are an immature kid, not just me and suiteng...

You blind ehh?
Or you didn't know how to read?

maybe he is spm drop out leh XD
tak tau read n stand by his right although he is complete wrong XD
farny retard

Legally no! Once u offered and someone bidded ur item, u dont have the right to cancel.

And again, u shouldnt sell the speaker before the auction end. I would say that guy didnt come at correct time....

I would say after reading this thread... I really feel like laughing and laughing and laughing.. this 19 year old little boy can't even understand simple english and logic. -.-"
Maybe he didn't even know what's 'bidding' in the first place.
Eh budak, u tau kalo mau sue u, awak 100% akan kalah tau?
Anyway, I do hope he'll get a 'bad trader' tag if he doesn't apologize.

3536837........

do you stated that you reserved the right to cancel the auction anytime before it ends at your very first post in your auction thread before?? if yes then you have every right to cancel it.. if not then you are totally at fault and emmier have every right to open a dispute thread against you...

Give us 3 SUPER VALID REASON why we need to support you. Don't give us lame reason.

Since the start, no one has been supporting you and saying you are right. You are just talking nonsense and unlogical statement.

hey , careful ur languanges bro....everybody oso got a limited of patient....don tink u is senior = everyting

Thanks sHawTY

eh budak.. tak payah nak tunjuk keras kepala kat sini. just admit your fault before sHawTY show his worth. you can't imagine once he started.

Yes, our patience have gone thin too.

patient? don't just think about yours. thinks about others that bid your item. their patient to wait until closing date. how patient they ar.

This post has been edited by emmeir: Jan 22 2007, 02:16 PM

So, you still dun 1 2 admit?
We are not talking about position, senior is NOTHING over here, and the main topic is about YOU & TS, but not sHawTY

yes.. and dont think you can snub everyone's offer on your auction!!...........

bidders also got a limited of patient!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This post has been edited by baok: Jan 22 2007, 02:17 PM

hohohoo...

chills up guys...

its getting hot in herrrrrrree...!!

Because 3536837 mind just going 'unnaturally' and this kenot be standable.

well...once again , i still persisted myself on my side and won't apologise to this rude and ungentlement guy.

if u want to add me as bad trader , i oso nothing to say....

thats all .......

*another one , just now then i noe why got so many buyer/seller using newbie id at garage sales

Does it costs you anything just to TYPE the word Sorry? You won't die by saying that, instead, you can solve this matter in a peaceful way. You don't 'WIN' by persisting till the end.

No one said that a 19 years old can't buy/sell. We just hope to have MATURE sellers, mature in thinking. You should reserve your item for the winner even if someone offers you RM1000, that's a good and responsible seller. If you don't, you're a irresponsible and selfish seller, just admit it.

Since you still persisted. Well, you really deserve it if you really were issued a bad trader.

Since when TS are rude and ungentle?

Nothing to do with newbie id at garage sales with this thread lar

This post has been edited by Joshua_0718: Jan 22 2007, 02:36 PM

*kepala batu.... !!!!!!!!!

actually.. hes reffering to himself la ..

Just give him the tag.

who is more rude and ungentlement guy? let's ppl here decide it.

Do you think tag is enough? Nahh... Since he ask for solution just now, is better to sell the ATP3 with the price the TS won. That the best solution

where to find an atp3 while dumb head already sold it off with his 19years old of knowledge saying he has the right to cancel XD

The thing is.. he has sold the item, you can't just ask the buyer to return it, right? Plus, he isn't going to apologize like he says so giving him the tag is the only solution left for now.

although the atp3 still available.. i don't want it anymore. no use deal with seller like this kind of attitude.

That why I said, he need to bear the responsiblilty. He need to buy a ATP3 and sell it to TS lor. This is the responsibility 3536837 need to bear

I doubt that he will do so. It's pointless to argue with the seller, don't you all think so?

Yes, absolute true....

At least can aware other forumer about him. Jadikan pengajaran.

You've done what you can, mate. I mean by informing us about the failed trade. We all know that how low the seller can be. Giving him the tag is the only solution.

But, the staff still not here yet to take any action? Seller has already insisted that he do not want to admit it is his mistake already. We already see what actually happening already

Another untrusted seller

I would recommend that this type of seller should be labelled as Bad Trader..

You should have waited till the auction ends..you can't sell an auction item to another buyer unless no one wanted to buy your item..

All people wanted you to do is to apologize but it seems that you are THICK HEADED!

wow, this is unreasonable right? No doubt the TS was wrong in this case, and i think blacklisting him should be a reasonable punishment.

uiks i tot the TS is the victim? confuse already leeerr

bro, what are you trying to imply here ??? you have a problem with buyers/sellers using newbie ids at the garage sales like me izzit ??? at least we have better business ethics, than you my fren....

why make the situation so complicated ??

lol..bro..i though you misunderstanding of TS mean. It mean Thread Starter.

age discrimination...r u saying we at age 19 are all bad ppl? pls watch ur words. from ur sentences, u'r saying all...even some ppl at 20+ still will have rebelious attitude.

to the seller, u r in the wrong...juz apologize....once up for auction, the winner should get wat he wants

This post has been edited by jian5481: Jan 22 2007, 04:02 PM

So what?

What do you want to do?
You are worthless, hard headed, never want to admit you're own mistake, what do you want to do with me?

I'm not saying that as a senior, i am everything, i respect the admin, i respect the mod's, i respect the staff, and also, i respect the trade enforcers...

You want me to talk properly with you, then admit you're own mistake kiddo...

Come, tell me, what you want to do with me?
Report me?

So what?
What are you going to do with me boy?
What!!! What!!!?????

Baka!

Bro, read properly, we didn't point it to everyone that is in that age, we point it to that boy only...

Calm down bro...

This post has been edited by sHawTY: Jan 22 2007, 04:05 PM

nah...i'm ok with it. but he didn't put the word some or certain in it ("that ages"). well, all i can say is, yes, the seller is immature about how bidding works. if he's in eBay, his account will be gone LOOL

sHawTY, you are correct. What can you do? If you have balls, come and arrange an appointment with me. I will give you a briefing on logic of business and trading. If you dont trust my words, i can bring some of my law friends to 'enlight' you.

You are 19 years old but your attitude is worse than my 6 years old cousin. You are so obvious guilty in this case and still dont have the balls to admit it and resposible on it. This clearly shows how childish you are. Trust me. With this kind of attitude, I am quite sure you will NEVER success in your life. Sad case.... I pity you.

Like ppl always said, stack your pillows higher then think carefully on what is right and not. Dont let your childish and egostic blind your brain.

Oh ya.. If you really do successful in your life with this kind of attitude, pls let me know. I will write a book for it titled; 'How to success in life without a brain and correct attitude'

*Sorry to mod, if my posting sounds offensive (delete this if needed). But i really cant stop myself from replying this after seeing on how lame is this dude.

So, let us all viewers say out our votes for 3536837 to be given a bad trader tag and will be put to the minor offender list...

I'm starting the vote...

I, sH�wTY(tm) vote for 3536837 to be given a bad trader tag and to be put in the minor offenders list...

Anyone else wanna vote for him too?

Count me in

iranganb] vote for [b]3536837 to be given a bad trader tag and to be put in the minor offenders list...

It's plain to see that this fella has no feelings of remorse and he doesn't seem to care that he has mistreated emmeir by not fulfilling his own terms during the bid.

It's logical to assume that the bid was probably too low and he managed to get a better offer outside and immediately sold it for the higher price. Now, this isn't a nice thing to do once you've committed yourself to a bidding trade but there's nothing we can do now about this.

Best is to avoid this seller in the future in case it happens again. I personally cannot stand a seller that changes his terms in the middle. The bidding auction could have included the simple sentence

"Seller has the right to terminate this auction at anytime"

So next time, if you're not comfortable with a low bid. Then make sure you mention a reserve price, or at least that sentence up there.

It would have been easy to just apologize for what you did and move on, but you seem to be quite the stubborn fella.

Oh well, young un, you've got lots to learn.

*emmeir, want some dell speakers? got it with the computer*

This post has been edited by refnulf: Jan 22 2007, 04:52 PM

bartdevil[ vote for [b]3536837 to be given a bad trader tag and to be put in the minor offenders list...

I vote for 3536837 to be given a bad trader tag and to be put in the minor offenders list...



This post has been edited by uNeVErwaLkaloNe: Jan 22 2007, 05:35 PM

Of course i'm in. Give him Bad Trader tag. Also put him in the minor offenders list

This post has been edited by emmeir: Jan 22 2007, 05:37 PM

I'm in too.... 3536837 deserve a bad trader tag...he's so selfish and rude..

To: 3536837

You see boy, it's not that we are on which side, we are not on emmeir's side neither you're side...

It's just that it's you're fault.

You should admit it boy...

Say you're sorry before the mod's awards you with a Bad Trader Tag, and if they do that, i believe no one will ever deal with you again because they have lost their trust in you...

Now i'm talking in a good way, it's either you do, or you don't.



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***Rangerred, just askin', is he eligible to get a bad trader tag and to be in the minor offender's list?
Am i right?
Because what i see is, he didn't even want to admit his fault, and say his sorry.

Hope you can give a better picture about the "Bad Trader" tag to make that boy understand.

This post has been edited by sHawTY: Jan 22 2007, 05:59 PM

so far, already have 6 vote. i'm already update the vote list in 1st post.

Once the person set to sell by bidding and ppl answered, that's a contract already. Any party wishes to break make sure every other party involved, agrees. It's the law wherever you may be. You break the contract or breach, that's criminal. Check with lawyers. Can be a court case.

Good explanation, and a good point, hope that boy would understand it now...

Count me in for voting him to have the bad trader.

I also vote for this stupid prick to be in offender list and be tagged with Bad Trader.

Its just amazing what an idiot he can be. And no, even hes apoligizing, its not acceptable now, already too late. Second chance already been given, and that stupidass blew it away.

if everyone would have the same thinking as the seller... lelong and ebay would be a disaster...gosh.. i just wish ur brains are not in knees...

nowdays quite often with irresponsible seller in lyn..
i meet it countless time already.. after nego with them n already say ok and item been reserved...n just wait for seller said for which day COD..
but suddenly there no news... ask the seller they will told you either he decided not to sold.. or someone offer higher price... or they just ignore you.. it just a typical selfish human being...

well.....i guess its pretty clear what going on rite now.
Just wait on what the admin or mod going to reply on this