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 Official Honda Civic 10th Gen Owner/Fans Club V2, Turbo still kicking yo!

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post Jul 19 2016, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(Josh_M @ Jul 19 2016, 10:53 AM)
Is there any guide lines on what to inspect when we are receiving our new ride.
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When you go take delivery of the car, there are some paperwork to sign off. One of them has a checklist of things, so go through them one by one and take a short drive around before signing off.
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post Jul 22 2016, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(heeren @ Jul 22 2016, 02:27 PM)
hi there... Dark Ruby Red Pearl 1.5 TC owner reporting in.
Collected the car early this week and have been driving for the past 2 days. Haven't push the car too much as i always subscribe to the mindset that we need to let the internal to burn in a bit before pushing. So far everything good except HU can't detect the USB thumb drive that i connect on the USB front (below the HDMI). Apart from that i think all else should be ok for now.

One thing i don't like is the door, so hard to open due to the one level open to the next level open. Sometimes park in tight spaces, it makes it very inconvenient to open as i will be worry that it is hard to control how wide i can open without hitting the other car beside.

Also noticed the engine is not as quiet as i would had prefer and also engine bay is rather hot. Think i read somewhere in another forum abroad saying engine bay for turbo engine variants for our civic is rather tight and hence why it is always hot.

Anyway feeling great to have this car after 11 years of Myvi biggrin.gif

Oh BTW... i booked my car 2 weeks before Raya holidays and ya got my car this week. So i am rather fortunate to to get my car quite fast. Thank God! thumbup.gif
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For your USB, recheck the format.

For your door, it is up to personal preference.

Engine whether tight or not, surely will be hot. If it is not, something is very very extremely wrong. No need to have a hair of worry on it, just drive it even when outside is 40C. It still won't explode.

Congratulations on your new car smile.gif
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post Jul 22 2016, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(madnarc @ Jul 22 2016, 11:08 PM)
I'm curious why the Malaysian civic has on paper slower 0-100 times than the US and even Thai models, when everything else (bhp, torque) is the same.

Did anyone here ever get a good answer from your SA/SC?
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Most likely, the SA/SC won't answer you. My presumption is the slight differences in engine and/or transmission tuning to suit our driving condition and fuel quality. If you want to match the performance numbers, you can either get a set of lighten alloy wheels or go get a racechip which will definitely put your engine and transmission longevity to question.

Aiya...just enjoy the car la... 0.x difference is so hard to detect....
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post Jul 29 2016, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(bryangia @ Jul 29 2016, 01:48 PM)
Dude, Consider to keep it with RON97 to minimize the carbon deposit on intake valve? DI engine need extra care.
In Malaysia, RON95 is euro 2 grade, and RON97 is euro4 grade, meaning RON97 is much more cleaner.
Below is some link for the reason behind.
http://www.aa1car.com/library/intake_valve...gdi_engines.htm
http://thechronicleherald.ca/wheelsnews/13...irect-injection
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QUOTE(bryangia @ Jul 29 2016, 01:56 PM)
Oh, it is not the "knocking" thing concerns or the Fuel consumption concern, is about the cleanliness of the fuel to minimize the carbon deposit on the intake valve. For "knocking" concern, if I remember correctly, the manual is recommend RON91 or above?

RON95 is euro 2 grade while RON97 is euro 4 grade, meaning RON97 is cleaner. To take good care of the DI engine, cleaner gasoline will be better to minimize the carbon deposit.
With Turbo DI engine, I will get RON97. smile.gif
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For the nature of GDI engines, it will create more soot/deposits when running in lean mode (meaning : light engine loads). Also, for the slow traffic crawl and traffic jams, as the combustion and engine oil temperature are not optimal, also will produce more deposits. And this in turn causes the catalytic converter to not run in high enough temperature to oxidise those unburned fuel. So when the exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) kicks in, the crap come back in again. So it is a self feeding cycle if driving in low engine loads during slow/traffic jams....you just can't help it with your type of driving situation.

Running RON97 (not because if the RON rating, but due to the slightly better than RON95 additives) or better will only help very marginally. Do intake cleaning maybe every 20,000km should help, especially when the engine has lower mileage. The deposit layer won't be too thick for the solvent to act on it. Euro4 RON97 does help keep the catalytic converters in the exhaust system in better health for the long run.

This post has been edited by wkc5657: Jul 29 2016, 04:47 PM
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QUOTE(GeekinE90 @ Aug 2 2016, 08:00 AM)
Low grade fuels have negative impact on Nikasil coated engine liners and components.  Nikadil coating is a technological advancement offering low friction and heat with low tolerances.  But even German engineers got it wrong with durability with high sulfur fuel.

The 1.5T uses a special low friction ion coated piston rings for the same purpose.  It's long term effects with low grade high sulfur content fuel remains to be seen.
There are many types of combustion coatings available in the market and Nikasil is just one of them. Are you sure this Honda engine is Nikasil coated? If yes, please share the source link, i'm interested to read it.

QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Aug 2 2016, 09:06 AM)
Some basic info on the various fuel standards FYI

Euro 1 – 1992 (sulphur content 2,500ppm)
Euro 2 – 1996 (500ppm)
Euro 3 – 2000 (350ppm)
BHP RON95 – 131 ppm
Euro 4 – 2005 (50ppm)
Euro 5 – 2009 (10ppm)
Euro 6 – 2014 (very low)

Ppm = quantity of sulphur (mg) in 1kg of fuel

Negative effects of Euro 2 fuel:

1) High sulphur content produces significant amount of Sulphur Dioxide resulting in Sulphurous and Sulphuric Acids
2) The presence of the sulphuric acids cause:-
3) Contamination of crankcase oil / lubricating oil
4) Corrosion of engine components / parts
5) Catalytic converter is damaged and is unable to neutralise pollutants ( CO, NOx & Unburnt Fuel )
6) SOX contribute to the high emission of particulate matter.
7) Decreases the cetane number resulting in incomplete combustion and the formation of soot.
8) Injector tips are obstructed with the formation of soot.
9) Injection spray pattern is altered resulting in incomplete combustion.
10) Significant reduction in the lifetime of the engine.
11) Increases maintenance costs due to frequent replacement of engine oil and servicing parts
Benefits of Euro 4 fuel:

1) Insignificant formation of SOx /acidic compounds
2) Decrease of particulate matter/Black smoke (if petrol engine got black smoke, straight masuk kilang overhaul)  sweat.gif
3) Reduces output of Oxides of Nitrogen
4) Increase cetane number result in complete/efficient combustion (see comment below)
5) No unburned fuel (not relating to sulfur PPM but the effects of inefficient combustion)
6) CO is easily converted into CO2
7) Engine lubricating oil less prone to acidification
8) Reduces engine component corrosion (if engine oil not up to temperature due to frequent short drives or a lot of stop/go traffic condition, water content will chain up with the sulfur elements creating sulfuric acid. Driving up to temperature will cause the water content in oil sump to evaporate)
9) Increase of lifespan of catalytic converter
10) Engine less noisy (this one not applicable)
11) Engine develops more power (very unlikely, marginal at best)
12) Increase of lifetime of the engine (debatable)
13) Increase in fuel economy (true for diesel, for petrol is more likely due to better additives used in RON97)
14) Reduces maintenance cost due to insignificant contamination of engine oil and service interval can be increased
15) Eco friendly fuel (if lead footed and always traffic jam, not much difference lor....)

We should be getting Euro 4 RON95 fuel in a couple of years which isn't too far away to cause significant detriment to our car engines using current Euro 2 RON95 fuel. But in the meantime, I would strongly recommend BHP RON95. It's the best RON95 fuel in the market currently. Some batches of BHP's RON95 fuel was even tested to be only 12ppm which is almost Euro 5 standard.
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No offense, but i think your facts are more applicable towards diesel. Although some of the facts are still applicable to petrol engines.

Cetane ratings are only applicable to diesel fuel. Unlike RON rating, higher cetane rating can derive more power to the engine.

QUOTE(BFGWong @ Aug 2 2016, 09:16 AM)
Actually if they are averaging 131ppm vs 500ppm Euro2 spec, I would consider that is quite good.  Too bad we don't have consumer or motoring association carrying out random sampling to inform us of the industry average.

I'm also a BHP user, unless its too out of the way.  One nice thing about the bigger fuel tank and increase fuel efficiency of this car, now I can get by only fueling up over the weekends and dont have to fill up at other random stations
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The PPM average was true at that time (which was 3 or 4 years ago), but no one go follow up to double check is it applicable now. Anyone wants to give sample to SIRIM to check? I know they can.

QUOTE(isr25 @ Aug 2 2016, 11:13 AM)
I'm finding that the Conti tyres are quite good leh. The more I drive on it, the better it is - it's either that or i'm getting used to it's flaws already tongue.gif

Will wait for PS4 to launch before changing
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Aug 2 2016, 11:17 AM)
i'm not sure in tires but the tread seems like wearing out quite fast

my next replacement will be RE003 or PS3 but have to depends on my budget. dont think PS4 will come any soon
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Sudah unofficially dijual, i dah tanya biggrin.gif

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4011464
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QUOTE(SackBoy @ Aug 2 2016, 02:01 PM)
Ya makes me wonders if we were to put 215/45 R17 will it look ugly or it doesn't even fit?
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It will fit, but your speedometer reading will be off.
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QUOTE(BFGWong @ Aug 2 2016, 02:50 PM)
Actually I found that on my stock 1.8s the speedometer seems to be off vs Waze by about 5kphs.  Both around 110 and 120, on cruice control.  I wonder if there's a setting to change that or needs recalibration during 1k service?
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No car can be exact...if the speedometer is overstating the speed, that's normal (i think all factory stock cars are like that), usually within 5-8km/h. GPS itself is not really exact either, unless you go for military grade.

If the speedometer is understating actual speeds, that will be a problem and you should insist to recalibrate in this case.

QUOTE(GeekinE90 @ Aug 2 2016, 02:56 PM)
Honda's 1.5T is using "ion coated" piston rings per their technical "marketing" overview of the engine.  I am not a coating expert, but it sounds like it's referring to the coating process rather than the type of coating.  What is the exact make up of the coating material is not clear e.g. Nickel, TungstenCarbide, TitaniumNitrite etc..

Any thought on this wkc5657?
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Can be DLC (Diamond like Coating) or simple teflon, but i really don't know. Maybe a little longer where more enthusiasts tuners start playing with the engine more, only then more details will flow out.

Here's a good general read about internal coatings (not specific to cylinder) : http://www.enginebuildermag.com/2014/09/ev...ace-treatments/
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QUOTE(isr25 @ Aug 3 2016, 08:19 AM)
Not yet.

bcw or anyone else on the Regal Valet group buy package. How is everything going? Is the promotion still on - and should I put it on the first page - third post?

I'm also thinking to put the RON95 & RON97 debate on the 3rd post as well. Put on cybermaster & wkc5657 inputs in it.

Appreciate your thoughts on this.
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Wa...so honoured that my comments got such attention laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ummul21 @ Aug 3 2016, 02:44 PM)
Hi,

I'm planning to trade in my 2011 Vios to get a new car.

Cars in my list are Civic 1.8, Altis 1.8 or Mazda 3.

I'm really confused which one to choose. I like the civic appearance in and out. But heard some comments that it have quite some problems.

Btw. I daily use abt 120km for my travel to office. I need a car that can give me good FC and long term run and acceptable maintenance.

Need some opinion from civic owners here.

Thanks.
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All the above cars give you good fuel consumption and rather durable. These are Japanese engineering after all, not the "picky" continentals.

Just some idea here for you to consider :
Civic 1.8 (i presume you mean it is the new one that is just launched)
1) engine is tried and tested
2) maintenance will be easier as mechanics are well experienced in handling it
3) it is a car with great interior space, almost to the size of the accord
4) one of the best interior NVH in the class
5) good resale value in the future (as like the past generations of civics)
6) broad many service centres
7) quite a good drive
8) does have a number of niggling issues as the car is new model

Altis 1.8
1) engine is tried and tested
2) maintenance will be easier as mechanics are well experienced in handling it
3) it is a toyota (high resale value in the future)
4) should be the most comfortable ride (softer suspensions)
5) many service centres
6) worst safety features list

Mazda3
1) fuss free and worry free for the 1st 3 years as maintenance is free for 3 years/60,000km
2) relatively reliable although the engine is the newest among this bunch (so far from the issue list that i gathered from a UK website)
3) really nice handling
4) greatest grunt/acceleration among the 3
5) interior materials quality can be comparable to the new civic (debatable)
6) smallest boot among the bunch
7) NVH while driving fast is worst among the bunch
8) good value for money for the GL spec
9) really really fun to drive (because i own one and i drive hard and i know it laugh.gif )


Go test drive these 3 car kaw kaw la...then you go figure out which one you like most (assuming financing aside). Opinions are after all, just opinions. You'll be owning the car, you'll be driving it, decide on your own after researching and test driving it.

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QUOTE(limchee @ Aug 3 2016, 08:22 PM)
still torn in between Lunar Silver or Black... urghhhhhh
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Then get both tongue.gif

QUOTE(hoss @ Aug 3 2016, 11:17 PM)
Well, it is really necessary to do coating? What is the benefits of do coating?
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Not really, 99% of the cars on the road don't have additional coatings done.

Benefits of coating in general :
1) paint maintains shine better and longer
2) easier to clean dust off
3) some added protection to the original paint clear coat (debatable though)
4) nice water beading effect

I used to be a bit crazy of coatings stuff and so wanted to apply it onto my new car. But after thinking through sometime, i refrained and have some realisations...

My thoughts (and no offense to those that did their coating, but something for those that are sitting on the fence deliberating whether to get it done or not); if you want a proper protection, better get a genuine physical layer of material over it, ie a film/vinyl wrap. Colour, patterned, satin, matt, glossy, metallic finish or transparent, doesn't matter. When you're driving at speeds, when a nice stone hits the body panel, it will still leave a mark for those who does their coating. The sacrificial layer/thickness of the coating is just too thin/marginal to take on such impact.

Those hardness rating of 8H 9H or 10H that was being mentioned, i really have no idea it is comparable or measured against what metric. The only thing i can think of is the pencil hardness (which also uses the H rating for their hardness grades) that we see in the stationary shop. And if the coatings are as claimed to be so good at protecting the paint surface, i have no idea why watermarks, tree saps and bird poo can leave a permanent stain. I've not experimented, but I'm also suspicious that the coatings can't even stand the scratch of the finger nail....

If there's any vendor that can demonstrate that after coating, when you lightly run a key over the car panel without leaving a scratch mark, take my money pronto mega_shok.gif A stone hitting on your car's body panel is definitely much harsher than lightly running the key over. For those film/vinyl wrap, i know they can stand up to a light key scratch or the frequent finger nail scratch on the door handles and much better at stone chipping protection.

Other thoughts and opinions welcomed.
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QUOTE(SackBoy @ Aug 4 2016, 11:42 AM)
Well speaking about costly good coatings, it is still not as costly as clear wraps. FYI the workshop told me it is more expensive than my wrap... imagine that  confused.gif (but it has something call self-healing tech)
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The self healing type can go up to 5 figure territory, mostly used on exotic cars which the owners have plenty of money to spend nod.gif
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QUOTE(isr25 @ Aug 9 2016, 08:31 AM)
Now I'm getting worried... My neighbour told me that she saw motorcyclists stopping in front of my gate and looking at my car almost every night the past week. This is in the wee hours in the morning. Her dog was barking loudly, that's why she woke up and took a look outside. This has been going on the past few days.

Wonder what could I do? Could I lodge a police report even though no crime has been committed yet? No CCTV recordings though - although this news has me thinking about getting a few equipped...
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Hope they are just ogling at your car instead of planning something sinister. Quite unlikely that they want to steal your car as this car is still quite new. They may not have fully understood/develop methods to steal the car quickly. But if rob then..... dry.gif dry.gif

QUOTE(knwong @ Aug 9 2016, 09:13 AM)
Install the motion sensing spot light in front of your house.
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Kind of useless as it only just on and off with motion around the sensor's detection range. If these crooks are persistent, they just see it as a minor irritant. Unless you have CCTV where can start recording when motion activity is detected.

But even so, we know how our police la doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(bryangia @ Aug 18 2016, 07:36 PM)
There were some sharing and discussion about the tips of taking care of turbo engine within my lunch buddy today.

The sharing is something as inside this link. http://www.motoringassist.com/motoring-adv...our-cars-turbo/

1.  When starting your car from cold, do not race the engine immediately from idle. Allow between 5-10 seconds for the engine oil to reach the turbocharger.

2.  Never operate the engine under full power until the engine oil has warmed thoroughly. When the lubricant is cold, it remains thick and gloopy and cannot lubricate the turbocharger effectively, until warmed and thinned.

3.  Old and tired oil cannot protect the turbocharger adequately. Therefore, do not extend the oil change interval beyond that recommended by the vehicle manufacturer.

4.  Low-grade oil cannot protect the turbocharger adequately. Therefore, always use oil of not only the correct viscosity but also to the correct quality API specification (the details are noted within the vehicle handbook and also on the sides of canisters).

5.  A turbocharger works its hardest during sustained high speeds. After a long motorway drive, it is possible that a turbocharger might be glowing orangey-red hot. Shutting the engine off immediately after a long run, such as when stopping at a motorway service station, might cause severe damage, because the internal turbine will not have slowed down sufficiently, plus the extreme heat generated may not been given sufficient opportunity to dissipate. Always allow the engine to idle for at least 30 seconds, prior to switching off the ignition. If your car is equipped with ‘stop-start’ technology, disable it in this instance, should it be switchable.

6.  Never ‘blip’ the throttle, prior to switching off the ignition. This makes the turbocharger’s turbines accelerate but, when the ignition is cut, you starve the still-rotating turbine of lubricant. This can damage the bearings and increases the risk of premature failure substantially.

What say you?  smile.gif
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Point 1 to 4 applicable to all cars as long as there's engine oil in it.

2nd half part of point 2 is not applicable to our climate, even our normal cold mornings are considered "warm" in terms of the operating climate range. Our climate will not cause the engine oil to be thick and gloopy. Only climates below 10C need to take note of this.

For point 4, just avoid those unknown brand la....if really unsure of the various brands, just go for those brands that also sell petrol or those that the SC recommends. For japanese cars, the engines are not so picky unlike those from continental brands.

Point 6 is really stupid, who does that before turning off their cars??
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QUOTE(bryangia @ Aug 19 2016, 01:59 PM)
For point 5, After a long and high speed drive on highway, normally i will drive slow before reach the destiny and stop the car, so i didn't follow this too..haha...
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Good enough already.

Even our so called high speed driving won't heat up the turbochargers that much. If you follow the speed limit, 110km/h will be around 1800-2000rpm only, hardly putting much load to the turbocharger....
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QUOTE(thevelvet @ Aug 22 2016, 11:37 AM)
Haha.. Yup
The SA said today
Don't know whether can free myself today.

How many hours normally u guys took for handover
Kaw kaw ask ke?
Later he said pls read manual... I confirm kasi Hantam the guy.
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A walk around + a short test drive, 30 minutes to 1 hour. Remember to go through the handover checklist, highlight issues that you found. But don't expect the car to get rejected due to minor issue, they'll arrange for rectification work at your next service.
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QUOTE(infinite81 @ Aug 29 2016, 12:14 PM)
Left side have very low pressure water came out. Not sure which fuse you referring to?
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Unlikely to be anything from the electrical side or a failed pump. Maybe due to debris stuck, hopefully at the exterior end.

No harm also trying to top up the windscreen washer water tank till full.

Anyway, if all else fails, just head to the service centre at your next service or anytime at your convenience for them to check on it.
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Regarding your AC problem, it reminds me of a similar issue i faced with my previous 13 year old vios. But mine a bit worse, it would suddenly cut off cold air even mid way driving regardless of weather. The only stand up observation was that this occurs more frequent during a hot day and longer drive. The cause, a failed magnetic clutch to engage the compressor.

Here's how it works, when the cabin temperature sensor detects that the temperature reached a certain point, it will send a signal to energise the coils in the clutch and a magnetic force will be generated. Due to the magnetism, it will engage the belt pulley system/auxiliary crank related to air conditioning. If you stand near a saga/myvi, assuming their air conditioning is on, you'll hear something like "umm......errhhh........" (that's the best i can come out in describing the sound) that last about 7-15 seconds. Then stop for similar amount of time, then repeat again.

The "umm" part is the magnetic clutch engaging the pulley system/auxiliary crank, causing a momentary loss of power and quickly counteracted by the ECU to accelerate a bit to prevent the engine stalling. If you're inside the car, you'll see the rpm meter will drop a little bit then come back up again. The "errrhhh" part is the turning of the compressor and also the radiator fan cranking faster.

I'm don't know how the air conditioning system is like for this new Civic. Maybe you can mention this to the mechanics there whether got such a magnetic clutch. But i also do know that there are more and more parts manufacturers that are combining both the clutch and compressor together into the same unit, meaning either one spoiled, have to change the whole set....

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