QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 6 2016, 09:53 AM)
Yes. We know that (money changer being the cheapest). The question is what other "ways" are consider cheap?
Bro,... I like your spirit,.. USD/MYR v4
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 6 2016, 09:44 AM) both excellent comments! Yes,.. bro,... some think achieving 15% over 2 years or 7.5% pa is silly. some think that is a winner. due to very varied expectations, experience and risks taking. the fact that the FD thread is now v14 and is one of the most popular threads in LYN say something, doesn't it? and currently, 4% pa attracts a lot of people, incl me! i oversimplified the real example case when i said "15% over 2 years". the money wasn't kept under the pillow. i don't keep cash idle, nobody should. it was put in sgreits, earned another 11% in dividends in 2 years, no cap gains. so, total was 26% in 2 years or 13% pa. now, that's certainly ok, no?! essence of the story - those who took action to protect their life savings with major fx denominated but low-mid risks methods in the last few years achieved good results. question is will it continue? that, with this 2 yr old thread into v4, u hv to make yr own mind or come back here only to read in a couple of years. To yr final statement,.. there will be risks everywhere,.. one must have a good tactic for his risk/reward ratio. A good method along this tactic is diversification. Diversify your assets, diversify your currency holdings, diversify source of income,.... |
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 6 2016, 09:59 AM) good question. one that I actually wanted to do. Emm,... let's see,... I too groped in the dark many years ago. Today,.. I would do it this way,...say I open up a fundsupermart account in Singapore so I can have access to SG REIT. option 1 I am able to open a bank account in ocbc Singapore that ties into my fsm SG account (very impossible now a days to open a bank account) so I go through money exchangers in Malaysia to switch myr to SG option 2 i open a maybank foreign account do I convert through the bank? option 3 Telegraphic transfer I would open a DBS MCA Account - STILL CAN OPEN. SEE MY PRINCE'S POSTING IN THE 'SGX COUNTERS' THREAD. I would change my currency into the SGD (or USD, or whatever else) at Mid-Valley after booking my rates there. I would arrange for holidays to Singapore with family-members. I would handcarry the SGD to Sgp since I'm going there for holidays anyway with family members, relatives and friends. Please remember to follow the Customs regulation : Not more than USD10K per person per trip. Don't break rules, bro,... I would bank-in the excess SGD notes into my MCA which I have not used in my holidays in Sgp.. But that's just me,... since I go to Sgp regularly,... Otherwise, you need to TT,... But TT'ing is killing because of the exchange rate imposed by the banks.. |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 6 2016, 10:29 AM) I see. So you are still using the money changer route. Guess I will need to make a trip there once year. Actually you can get your family to carry your money too. One person USD10k, 4 people USD40k already. Err,... no other way if you are onshore !!! If you are offshore,... ahem,... other ways exist !!!!!!!!!! BUT; frankly, end of the day, if the RM is weak, we will definitely feel the loss in purchasing power too, ESPECIALLY when it comes to purchasing power overseas. We can choose to wait, but what if the RM drops further later on ? Or,.. well,.. suddenly more difficult to transfer out ?? Sure, others might say no such thing,.. but I can say what I think also,... So,.. if you think the asset prices in,.. say,.. Sgp,.. are good now for you to go in,... just convert lar and move on. Go buy those assets. There will be risks here and there,.. |
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QUOTE(mujinkun @ Dec 6 2016, 10:02 AM) QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 6 2016, 10:37 AM) Well,... BNM is doing her best now for the USD. http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...egara-reserves/ But the effects will only be known later : "While the initiatives are a step in the right direction to boost the flagging ringgit, dealers said the impact would only be known in the next few weeks." So,.. maybe RM will strengthen in two or three weeks' time. But then,... comes rate hike, maybe,... |
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Guys,.. ir you're going after the USD, still have hopes because BNM is on your side.
If you're going after the. say, SGD or AUD,.. probably no hope,... my opinoins,... |
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 6 2016, 11:06 AM) aug 2016, we were discussing below. I'm hoping they will raise interest rates asap, bro,.... very heated, plenty of skeptism, many hopefuls. today, results overshot. but ex rate is a dynamic thing, will keep finding the right spot with global financial gravity as the months and years go by. and given actual ex rates now, my bet is on BNM to RAISE rates in the next few months. do read up interest rate parity! |
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 6 2016, 11:19 AM) QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 6 2016, 11:26 AM) Sorry, guys,... just said that out of instincts,.. hoping the MYR will strengthen after interest rate rise. But then again,.. THIS TIME, the MYR may not strengthen too after rate rise !!!!!!! |
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QUOTE(mujinkun @ Dec 6 2016, 11:46 AM) QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 6 2016, 11:55 AM) BNM new measures set to boost ringgit: Analysts http://www.nst.com.my/news/2016/12/194775/...t-boost-ringgit As usual, every analysts xpect sentiment towards MYR will improve But : Or,... wait for another few weeks, no choice,..... err, small chances to strengthen, okay ?? This post has been edited by Hansel: Dec 6 2016, 12:04 PM |
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 6 2016, 12:03 PM) You are making me want to change over everything this minute, bro,.... Added : Or maybe,... if, say, analysts predict would drop to one level, and if the drop is not so drastic, meaning the drop stops at a higher level, then the RM might strengthen,... This post has been edited by Hansel: Dec 6 2016, 12:16 PM |
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 6 2016, 03:20 PM) Diversification is long time championed by me. I just read through and browsed across,... okay,... It is just I highlighted there are avenue locally, or RM denominated that one can hedge upon RM weakness as well, not necessary must convert Eg. Invest in Carlsberg Malaysia, one has exposure to SGD. Invest in Ytlreit, one has exposure to Aud. Invest in glove company, one has exposure to USD. Money put in local bank gold saving account in RM, one has exposure to USD (set aside the gold price fluctuation issue) I never say one shouldn't invest abroad nor I am championing RM. In fact I like SG reit and SG banking stock very much at current point. This is what I am highlighting about, not to say RM asset is better than others nor to say shouldn't convert. The fact is those stocks does hedge us against RM weakness and protecting our purchasing power in the process as well. Anybody wants to learn Aussie dividend shares ???? AUD is set to move soon,... |
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Dec 6 2016, 01:48 PM) Ok, since every individual has their own portfolio, why not we compare the Index so we get a general idea which is better RM stock vs Forex stock. Comparing the Index will take away the peaks and dips and show a typical portfolio. Wahh, bro,... you teach in the university, is it ?? We use KLCI, STI and DJIA to compare 1 year and 5 year return : 1 year high low : KLCI 1672.00 / 1624.97 = -2.81% STI 2876.03 / 2943.05 = 2.33% DJI 17730.51 / 19216.24 = 8.38% MYR/SGD 3.0031 / 3.1231 MYR/USD 4.215 / 4.4485 Based on the above historical numbers, if we invest RM100k in KLCI 1 year ago, 1 year later (yesterday), the market value is RM97,187.20. The return is a loss of -2.81% If we converted the RM100k 1 year ago into SGD, we will get S$33,298.92. We invest in STI and 1 year later yesterday, the market value is S$34,074.89. We convert back to RM at 3.1231, we will get RM106,419.28, or a return of 6.42% in RM term We do the same for USD and invest in DJIA. The return is 14.38% in RM term For 5 year high low : KLCI 1460.13 / 1624.97 = 11.29% STI 2694.60 / 2943.05 = 9.22% DJIA 12184.26 / 19216.24 = 57.71% MYR/SGD 2.4344 / 3.1231 MYR/USD 3.1475 / 4.4485 The returns are : KLCI 11.29% STI 40.12% in RM term DJIA 122.90% in RM term The numbers speak for themselves. I have just two inputs :- 1) If we do your above computation before the elections on Nov 9th,.. is there a possibility that the STI would have beaten the DJIA in both of your above periods ? 2) The performance of the above indices do not take into account the dividend payouts, which are also returns. Add-in the dividend payouts and you get even bigger figures beyond the KLSE return percentages because the numbers would be compounded by the dividend earned in the foreign currencies. |
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 6 2016, 03:54 PM) If treasuries keep on rising, bond may be a place to avoid temporary. Aud interest rate is at historically low. QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 6 2016, 03:56 PM) Yeah,... I noticed something ;ike what Will said too,... though the RBA stays put, there are some banks inside Aus that up their interest rates. I believe these are early signs that the RBA may hike soon. The RBA stayed put this afternoon,...Yes,.. AUD FD rates are at historic low,... that's why investors inside Australia are now looking hard for yield instruments,........their SMSF funds are not helping much now,... |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 6 2016, 05:19 PM) Since bank interest rates are low, the elderly folks, and the yield investors would be flocking to yield counters, right ?Secondly, I suspect interest rates are going to rise soon,... and with A-REIT prices still at a low since 2 months ago, it would be good to flow along with the A-REITs and yield counters as they improve,.. ..opinions,..bros,... |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 6 2016, 05:46 PM) Yes, bro,... BUT,.. it also depends on the quality of the REIT. Err,.. I will look at the following metrics of the REIT. I am applying across the principles from the SGX,.. First, assuming the rate rise starts to take place from early next year, then,...1) The Interest Coverage Ratio of the REIT, the higher the figure, the better, in terms of x times of the interest to be paid out. 2) The Weighted Average Debt Ratio (WADR) of the REIT. 3) The Weighted Average Debt-to-Expiry (WADE), the longer from now, the better it will be. If the above three metrics are acceptable, then the REIT would be able to withstand an interest rate rise environment. I saw many of the Aussie REITs and yield counters have at least two of the above metrics being acceptable. The ones who don't have been bought over by the ones that do. What have you heard ? |
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