Hi all lovely people

I am currently on a first gen proton persona (2008/2009?) and am interested to change it since it is giving me lots of problems already.

I currently have my mind on Toyota Vios and Honda City because they are within my budget and have been trying to figuring out which is better and gives the best bang for buck. Any recommendations which should I get? Or is there better car within my budget that I missed out?

Thank you so much! )

Honda city .. overall is better with 6 airbags

go for honda jazz
cheapest compact car in peninsular

Mazda 2 ??

Honda airbags safe or not? takata airbag got problem, u better check first

i just bought Vios recently since the offer so attracting. 11k from Salesman + Free Gift DVD etc etc.. Honda city only free petrol, umbrella etc ( depends on salesman)

both also nice car if you compare current version = Honda City > Vios. If not rush to buy, wait few more months ba, New version Vios with New engine, CVT coming soon.

Good Luck

Of course city, why buy a underspec cow head car.

test drive urself
base on spec honda city sure win

lol... so many thread on this topic... city vs vios....

pls no matter what... go for city.... period....

no need ask why or know why since you dont bother to compare whats the diff between these two cars....

Do not buy any car without Electronic Stability Control. Period. I understand City have it but not sure about Vios
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4-Lbt8KHkw

i get how esc works and yeah its great and all, but purely from that video's standpoint, he lost control on purpose, in that particular case he very obviously forced the car to do that..... great way to emphasize the uses of esc but.... when i see videos like this, it seems like im being lied to~

i quote some random dude: In 10 car crashes, 6 of them are with cars NOT older than 5 years, so they have all possible electronic assist. That made me the conclusion that driving experience and responsibility are much much safer assists than electronic assist

This post has been edited by lsm1991: Jun 28 2016, 10:57 AM

He did it on purpose and yet can't flip the car.

But what if you are driving on a highway and a box dropped off a lorry right in front into your path, then you will be doing exactly what he is doing but in an emergency.

There is a reason why since 2014 it's illegal to sell new car without ESC in Europe.

about the flipping part, that really depends on the car itself...... suspension setup and all that has to be taken into consideration.... to do a fair test you need 2 of the same cars one with vcs/ecs one with none

There is a reason why since 2014 it's illegal to sell new car without ESC in Europe. not gona argue with this, but all im saying is, that video is very erm... exaggerated?? proton's live demonstrations are probably a better example of why ecs is important


main point is all these systems keep you in control, thats it... end of the day its there to keep your pointed in the direction you desire

Even newer cheap Proton have ESC. So see no reason to get a more expensive new car that comes without.

If you want to get a car without ABS or ESC or whatever, up to you.

People don't buy a car and deliberately go looking for accident. Those system are there just in case you are in difficult situations.


This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Jun 28 2016, 11:27 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8KjsjrIGqI

ehh dont get me wrong abang~ im critisising the video!! not esc!!..... im just saying thats an exagerated video thats all~~


now this video me like~ no silly exaggerated flipping of cars/funny stuff happening, simple, clearcut

This post has been edited by lsm1991: Jun 28 2016, 11:31 AM

It's common to exaggerate something when one wanted to make a point but the important thing is, is the point valid? I find you shooting the messenger instead of focusing on the message.

nuuuuu.... owait... might be cause that was fifthgear... which reminded me of top gear.... which reminded me of the old top gear.....

I am sure in many of the accidents in Malaysia safety system like ABS and ESP would have helped in sizable number of those accidents but of course not all. If both cars cost similar amount money there is no reason to choose one without.

i know i would have benefited from abs on my old car..... would have really been useful~~ rain + smooth roads = locked brakes

Thank you so much for all the feedback, looks like City is the better choice,
the honda recall news just frighten me about the quality of their cars

https://toyota.com.my/vehicles/car/vios#pricespecs

toyota website shows that vios has ABS but can't seem to find any ABS feature on city, anyone knows about this?
and do both cars come with ESC?

This post has been edited by HolyCross: Jun 28 2016, 12:20 PM

lower spec : go for vios

higher spec : city

high spec city got esc..lower do not have..
both car variants got abs

If you think ABS is good then ESC would be fantastic because it incorporate ABS plus Traction Control.

i did say its great and all @_@..... my old saga had nothing but a huge brake booster..... that, and wet smooth road lead to a 10/10 perfect recipe for locking the wheels up + aquaplaning

*remember boys and girls, good tyres are dabes*

New honda cars are not affected by the Airbag issues plaguing its older models.

If your height is 6feet and above, you would appreciate the extra legroom that the vios provides. Technology wise, City is way ahead of VIOS and Vios got an annoying problem when you go over a bump that they won't / can't solve.

heavy use Vios less use city

make sense. even some ppl didnt know how abs works..still pumping the brake. but pls we need a better safety spec for cars in malaysia. mentality like this wont help manufacturer (especially toyota) to include esc as a standard since ppl will still buy even tho without esc.

i found out that city offer better head and legroom.

true... i still dont get why the vios does so well here.... its not really cheap given that its really quite a simple car.........

coz the branded ,lol
most malaysian doesnt care about safety feature
all they care about let go value ,maintenance fee , less common issue ,FC etc

Ok Can you help to choose my car first thanks? proton iriz 1,3 or 1.6 mt or exora bold cps thanks?

Many car manufacturers have this problem, even Toyota.

EXORA bold CPS MT or Iriz 1.6 mt? not auto please read carefully thanks

VIOS J got 11K discount also ah?

yeah..i dont really mind about the simplicity..but the price is really..wow. the car should at least 5k cheaper than honda city or same as almera.

the opposite. there is still 6 inches of space left if i put the seat to max in vios but for city my feet would have to be bended upwards and its not comfortable for driving. If you are 185cm and above, City will not fit you comfortably.

oh for driving..yes. i'm talking about rear passenger. never drive a city before but jazz yep..the seat cant push to the max comfortably. plus middle fuel tank is a bit uncomfortable too.

how about vios J vs city S/S+

go for city... big cabin, safety,
so far i got jazz not bad... just cvt gear box driving abit boring... hahaha

This post has been edited by monkeybar: Jul 2 2016, 09:36 PM

Keep It Simple Stupid...

Vios maintenance is really dirt cheap to begin with and it really durable. Comfort is also better on Vios especially on Malaysian bad roads. RV also pretty darn good (for those who die die want RV). Safety aspect will be a notch lower without the ESP but who needs them is quite true.

The car I had driven for 4 years now is equipped with ESP and hardly got it activated. I think I had it several times when I was running on very worn tires on a wet highway at 90KMH. Other than that I never had seen it activated. I also just bought the Rio which had the ESP and never once had it activated in 6months.

Yeah, I do appreciate the ESP but I think at the end of the day, not everyone appreciate such feature especially for those who only drove 5-10 minutes per trip to market or school. Hence which is why Vios still sells. Yes, I did drove a Vios in my younger days for 7 years. I had one incident of losing control with very worn tires and wreck the left side of the car hitting the railing. Other than that, it has been pretty good ride. Having said that, I have a cousin who totalled her mom new Vios. I wonder if ESP would have made any difference given the severity of the accident.

Plus the mentality of the elderly when buying cars for their children. For example, they would rather their child not have sex at all than to have protected sex so to speak. We are still very much a third world country.

Proton Perdana 2.0 low spec does not come with ESP

Does the cheap Proton Iriz comes with ESP?

They are more or less the same. There's not much tech in these B segment except M2 stop go and Fiesta 3 cylinder ecoboost.

City offer more safety features like ESP and more airbags whereas Toyota prefer the functionality with 4 disc brakes plus wider tires. Both engine had been the same for 10 years. Only CVT making a comeback for city.

dun buy toyota

go for honda

engine smooth, adv techno, reliable

yes, has esp but it's not called esp, they named it esc (same thing)

Don't contradict yourself bro

If you're going for low spec, better go for the vios since the city s doesnt have esc either. Last i checked the j has push start smart entry and a free dvd player with GPS and reverse cam.

But if your budget permits, u wont go wrong with the top spec city.

Is Iriz new?
Is Iriz cheap?

Let's take the New Honda Accord into the context.
It is cheaper than Perdana?
No

Hence, the new 'cheap' Proton includes Perdana as well

any new input on this topic, Im still undecided, tqvm

I believe the input from fellow forumers here are clear enough.
Just get honda city top spec if possible.

u dont know when u need it, but when u need it, it will be useful and life saving.

just like u buy insurance. u dont pay for nothing right?

Rumours are that the new vios might be coming soon. Possible to have VSC just like the thai counterparts. Maybe you should give it a little wait?

Facelift

However i strongly suggest you test drive both and determine which suits you. Different users will want different things and the vios and city both does have very strong pros and cons.

New Vios with Dual VVTI engine, CVT 7 speed Shift-tronic, ESC, and TC..
Good news, it also come with 5 years warranty with unlimited mileage same as Honda City i think.. so the competition become hotter..
I am a user of Sienta with new Dual VVTi n CVT gbx, and also i'm upgrade from Vios model NCP93 dugong model.. i can say, the new engine and gbx is really good.. nothing much from spec power n torque.. but more to refine tune and fuel efficiency..

if Sienta is weight at 1350kg and i feel no problems going up and down Karak Highway with fully loaded, while for vios i can say more powerful and better FC because one big reason WEIGHT

Easily Vios

City is just pure ugly shit... The previous gen city looks much better

Jazz nvh is pretty bad.. Need to do soundproofing to get the refinement of Vios.

Almera has pretty good refinement too and cheaper

But some new city user getting 20km/l for FC.. which is really good

Huh, when did VIOS become good looking car and NVH is good? with the BIGGGG discount given on VIOS, Resale value for VIOS is bad nowaday... If choose ONLY between City and VIOS, I will go for City anytime......VIOS inside So cramp and backside ugly ......Interior so plasticky, Exterior look not last longer and elegant

Strange, y Malaysian nowadays still buy a car based on the branding...

This post has been edited by dachshundPet: Sep 24 2016, 12:59 PM

how do i know the special feature is ON OF OFF ..

i am wondering about that ..

kindly clarify ..

i think big discount because the new vios with new spec will fill in.. city n vios looks depend on people perspective, different people got different taste.. still both vios n city use normal bulb no LED like cheap axia, bezza, myvi and alza.. proton too..

City ftw.
Go test u akan tahu itu vios burok...

This post has been edited by heavensea: Sep 24 2016, 04:35 PM

Nothing wrong with halogen bulbs. They don't blind others and are cheap to replace. If one segment in your LED headlight kaput and you are out of warranty you will cry at the cost until no tears come out.

You upgrade from proton persona.. Definitely go for city

Go vios is more like a downgrade or minor improvements over your old car.

There is noting good about vios over city in normal daily usage plus it is more expensive than city

yup, maybe nothing wrong.. just point out small little tech that applied on cheaper car, summmore LED is brighter yet save energy nowadays.. i mean for the tail light

Got budget go for City. Got ESP. Vios until now high spec 92k no ESP.

when last time did u check ya.. i thought they update the spec already..
Dual VVTi engine, CVT 7 speed gbx, traction control, stability control, 5 years warranty with unlimited mileage..

Hi amad

Yeah, i heard the Vios facelift is coming out with 7 speed virtual CVT with ESP equipped. To me which is a good thing as the current vios still no ESP. That is why that time i choose City over Vios.

This post has been edited by blmse92: Sep 25 2016, 03:01 PM

guys, which spec of honda city is best bang for the buck? s+ or e?

At least E spec due to VSA feature!

Rumours new Vios coming soon. VSC and TC across all range including 1.5J MT.

prefer honda city

lol need at least 82k to get vsa. wth honda malaysia

Everyone kaya raya mah thats why City are flooded on the streets, lol..

This post has been edited by lil_flank: Sep 26 2016, 07:28 PM

Paultan showing leaked photos of the red vios..launch should be anytime..better hold back first

Unconfirmed sources state that price will increased by RM8k? Cos with the addition of VSC and other things. Base model price starts from RM87k to top range RM103k

Seriously? Mind to share the source here?

I doubt the Vios will have price increase, If not they'll remain the same, the selling price without any discount (RRP) as the new vios receive EEV incentives which lower the tax. I really hope the new vios will be price as fair as possible.

you should really whack your source in the head or ask hiM/her to buy you a teh tarik

Prices are out on paultan! down indeed but not much though

JM RM76,500 (-RM1480)
JA RM79,800 (-RM2080)
E RM83,900 (-RM3680)
G RM89,800 (-RM3580)
GX RM92,800.
TRD RM96,400 (-RM1580)

Both are good. Go test drive it and make up your mind.

So by now, after the launch of facelifted Vios, did anyone changed their mind about city is better than Vios?
Would Vios J be better choice than City S?
How is the fuel consumption of both car? Is the new vios better?

Definitely city

Anyone test drive the new vios? How is the pick up n handling compared to city?

anyone can share what is the year end rebate for vios and city ?

vios all variants VSC basics so yes will be better than city for low spec choices
fuel consumption abang adik but i still think city is little better

Vios cruising rpm is 1.9k at 110kmph... i think is slightly lower than city.. does it mean vios fc able to be better?

This post has been edited by monara: Nov 7 2016, 09:18 PM

How about the pickup and top speed? Anyone tested both of them?
From my experience, city is slightly better than vios in pickup, could not try top speed with test drive unit lol
Any other opinion on this?

Want Vios? get J specs. The difference between J & TRD spec are mostly cosmetics.....not worth the extra money. But I'd spend the extra money and get City V instead,.....

tested both car. vios pickup is seriously worst compare to city and previous gen.

the engine roaring very loud when i full throttle. i manage to speed till 140kmh. but it was so noisy.

just my 2cent view

J -> E: retractable wing mirror, foldable rear
E -> G: leather seat, 2 more speaker, MID, project head lamp


Vios J, E or G are quite good spec. Any spec beyond, just get City V.

CVT is designed to save FC, not for hard acceleration.

Please be gentle when driving CVT cars.

haha, you are right, but imagine if u need overtake car. the current vios is too dull and slow response...

honda city response is fast..

I believe u can "play" with M (+-) to manual shift when u r in D mode.

wtf compare fuel consumption and top speed?
for what???

difference would only be like 5%!
all depend on driving style lohh...

typical ......

friggin bored driving the vios. City is the better car over all

CVT sux....just my take. Try M2

I bet in future, all cars will promote CVT. even mazda would not be excluded.

NEW VIOS WITH MANUAL TRANSMISSION WITH ESC,ABS AND EBD,DUAL AIRBAG

not really ,lol
traditional transmission have the feel but cvt cant give

Like that just avoid any cars with CVT

Have you driven a Mazda with Skyactiv and compare with to car with CVT?

This post has been edited by freedom11: Nov 28 2016, 04:30 PM