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Discussion David Beckham To L.A. Galaxy, What is the reason...you vote!

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thteh86
post Jan 15 2007, 02:55 PM

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Ronaldinho can cross a ball, maybe not as good as Beckham, but he's a lot more effective than Beckham

Zidane can cross a ball better than Beckham at times, other than just crossing, passing, deadball situations, he creates chances with his runs and his visions

Jermain Pennant, was one of the best crossers in the premiership last season, with pace and flair. Was one of the most promising players bought by Arsene Wenger.

Joaquin, one of the best wingers. Deadly crossings, great pace, dribbling ability and vision.

Ryan Giggs, crossings are good with pace....flair, leadership and also not to forget, his dribbling abilities despite of his age.

Aaron Lennon, an agile youngster who is tipped to be the next England's 1st choice winger who has the pace plus dribbling ability. Although his crossings aren't as good as any of the players above, but nevertherless...I'd take him anytime than Becks for the England Squad

Shaun Wright-Phillips, his crossings are deadly and so is his pace, which made Chelsea willing to pay so much for him eventhough they could've just sign Becks.

There're also the likes of Steven Gerrard, Arjen Robben, Michael Carrick, Xabi Alonso, Rosicky, Fabregas, Totti, Nedved, Quaresma, Diego, Messi.....etc

There're just so many players who can be a better option than Becks, no wonder Real weren't keen to sign him a new contract.
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post Jan 15 2007, 03:58 PM

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Cristiano doesn't make better crosses than Beckham, but I'd say he's much more effective than Beckham.
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post Jan 15 2007, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(duarnt @ Jan 15 2007, 04:56 PM)
I doubt that C.ronaldo at the age of 31 would be effective as he is now but no doubt about beckham only good at crossing and dead ball expert. He's more suited now to play with the like of team in MLS.
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Giggs is around 34 now and is still one of the best players in Man Utd. Cantona was still great when he was 31, Zidane retired last year and i think it was 35. David Ginola still runs around despite being 30+ last time. Figo and Steve Macca did well when they were 31. Besides that, Zola, Nedved, Cafu, Roberto Carlos, Gary Mccallister did well past their 30s, and they did extremely well too

Give me any of the above, I'd choose them over Beckham.

A 20 year old Beckham and a 20 year old Cristiano Ronaldo, I'd still choose Cristiano Ronaldo.
thteh86
post Jan 16 2007, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(irenic @ Jan 15 2007, 05:42 PM)
yeah, but if not mistaken, he didnt include "he cant pass" in his statement smile.gif
some players peak early, some player not.. some player last longer and some player not. not true ? look at this :

stan collymore : once said as the biggest striker england could have..

fowler: very good goalscorer at his young age, but look at what happened to him when he is over 28yrs old.

raul gonzalez : become a legend at very young age.. look at him now..overshadow by his past

figo : he reached his peak at 28yrs old and he only last around 5 yrs at top his game.

macca: he's very good when he is at liverpool, at younger age. bought by madrid and never been as good as he is (but still above then ok) and many said he's done nothing in england shirt.

zidane : come on, u cant compare this very rare player with others footballer.

roberto carlos: u got to be joking he is very good until now.. he can run, but he keeps giving free goal to opponent  doh.gif

ginola & cantona : also at top of his game at around 5-6 years only..

beckham's peak was during 1997/1998 season, the year before wcup 98. at that time he was only 22yrs old. he lasted until i could say his 2nd season at RM. which was during 2003/2004.. so he is at top of his game for around 6 years as well. so he is like others too tongue.gif

maybe many would say his best was during treble season, where he assisted so many goal but for me his best was during his last season at man u where he scored 18 goals and still be top assist in EPL.

i used to buy many man u mags during in schools and i remembered top coaches said that why he needs to dribble if he can pass from 50 yards out, and still reach the same destination..

so that means, many agrees with his class and talent... just that now his best is over, same like others (fowler, raul, collymore who?)
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I do agree with you about different players have different peaking periods. I guess pacey wingers are my preference then. tongue.gif Well said, and by the way, I'm still not admiting him as a classy player.
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post Jan 16 2007, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(Wan @ Jan 15 2007, 10:57 PM)
He only got 12 goals(6 league) and 12 assists(9 league). Solskjaer got 15 goals(9 league) and 8 assists(8 league). Dunno how true is that.. don't shoot the messenger. tongue.gif Ole started on the wing a lot that season, SAF played Scholes behind Ruud mostly.
Becks: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=8880&cc=4716
Ole: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=8863&cc=4716

You're comparing Beckham when he was at his peak to Ronaldo who is just starting. Not really fair heh. Also in every season he's been here except this season, he only started to play well after Christmas. Last season got the the rape thing and the loss of his father at the start of the season, but after Chrismas, he was back to his usual self. This season step up even more. Best winger in the league, even last season when he didnt perform for half a season. People may say other wingers are more effective, but compare their(or other midfielders) stats(goals, assists) to Ronaldo, and almost all don't look as good. Of course stats don't tell everything, but it helps. Best young player at the WC... should've been him really.

The boot incident, his relationship with SAF surely not good after that heh. Contract only got 2 years left. And one Ole Solskjaer who took his place in Beck's last season in the big games. Beckham that time was the captain of England.. got to his head a bit after that trying to play centrally when he should play out wide more. Ole's crosses and play from the right was more dangerous that season IMO, more of a goal threat. Too bad in post Beckham era, Ole got injured halfway in that 1st season and never recovered until last year. That's why people say we still miss Becks in those early Ronaldo years. Also we were chasing Ronaldinho at the end of that season. Almost got him, but Brazilians with Barca can't be separated I guess. But then we got C.Ronaldo in, and a season after that got Rooney. Happier in the longer run I say.

That title winning season was magic. 4231. Those 3 that play behind Ruud really was everywhere, able to change positions at will and still be effective. The game againts Newcastle.. Ahh. Injuries and suspension to the not so clever Rio really mess things up after that, also that penalty Ruud missed. Untouchables, we could've and should've prevent that heh.

Pennant? Not a patch on Beckham, even when Becks is past his best. Beckham got more than his crossing, but crossing and vision is his main weapon, and also a lot of heart and running. Tireless. Right now maybe the majority of those players you mention are better, but a few years ago, there was not many better that him on the right midfield/wing, and certainly not many better at what he does... create goals.
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I wouldn't say that, Pennant was one of the best crossers last season while he was with Birmingham, I looked at him a lot as Liverpool were rumoured to sign him since mid season. However what you said about him is quite true regarding a few years ago, I guess football mature since then?

 

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