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Looking for good water heater, water heater with pump preferable
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SUSslimey
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May 24 2018, 03:20 PM
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QUOTE(fila97 @ May 24 2018, 02:59 PM) According to the website its says zero risk of electrocution coz not using metal heating element. Still dont know whether to choose Joven (RM 730 at 50L, using metal heating element and more electricity at 3kW+) or this. Will share more if I try out the hydro one heater. What type of piping do you intend to use for the connections? If you use hdpe pipe( black with red lines) length more than 1 meter at both the input and output of the device. There is zero risk of electrocution too. If the shower you are using is non conductive and length of pipe more than 1 meter, risk also zero. Just install any water heater correctly and you will not be electrocuted.
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SUSslimey
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May 24 2018, 04:12 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ May 24 2018, 03:52 PM) If you see the spec clearly, it didn't save much or pretty non. It selling point is the heating element. Joven take 30min at 3kw to boil the water to 70°. Hydro1 take 36min at 1.5kw to boil to 44°c. See the temp different. I don't see the Hydro1 save in electricity. And with temp 44 degrees, will end up using more of the hot water if use with mixer. End up with needing bigger tank or higher wattage anyway.
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SUSslimey
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May 24 2018, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE(Jason @ May 24 2018, 04:30 PM) 30min at 3kW should be the JH35 model with 35L. Hydro1 don’t have 30L model so let’s compare the 50L models from both brands. Joven to 70C @ 3kW takes 45mins 1.5kW takes 90 mins Hydro1 to 44C @ 1.5kW takes 45mins, so it’ll take roughly 1 minute for 1C. To hit 70C I assume it’ll take an additional 26 minutes, so total time will be 71 minutes. So with my assumption it performs ~26% better than Joven’s. Please correct if I’m wrong. Wrong. It takes more energy and time if want to go higher. It is not a linear relationship. Energy loss to surrounding due to temp difference will be more. The lesser the temp difference between heating element and the water, the lower the heat transfer rate. Hence again, will take more time and energy. So such calculation cannot be used. Any fluid thermodynamic engineer here that can shed more light ?
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SUSslimey
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May 24 2018, 09:58 PM
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QUOTE(lowlowc @ May 24 2018, 06:52 PM) So I am going to have one more water heater in my bathroom on ground floor. This bathroom has the best water pressure but unfortunately the developer did not install a water heater switch. Is it safe to add a switch? I think my old house at hometown add the switch for water heater, I just don't remember how they did it. Get an electrician to do it properly. Basically pull wire 4mm square from distribution board. One end is a 20amp rcbo with 10mili amp leakage trip and the other end is a 20amp switch. Then from the switch 4mm square wire directly to the water heater terminal. Any other way than that will have compromise on safety.
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SUSslimey
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May 24 2018, 10:28 PM
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QUOTE(lowlowc @ May 24 2018, 10:14 PM) Thanks. Do you believe when I buy water heater + installation from shops like Sen Heng, Onking etc, the technicians should be trustworthy to handle this? i don't know. i basically trust no one. i either do it myself or i'll supervise closely whoever that's doing it personally. your life and someone else's life depends on it. if you want crappy installation, the crappiest installation i can think of will be take power from light switch in which light uses 1.5mm square wire or smaller, no earth wire, some how some idiot connect the light wire to a 32 amp mcb and the mcb connected to an old school elcb with 300mili amp leakage trip that no longer works even if press test button. and connect the water heater with a conductive shower hose. yup.........sure way to get electricuted and burn down the house in the process. This post has been edited by slimey: May 24 2018, 10:29 PM
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SUSslimey
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May 26 2018, 06:45 AM
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QUOTE(ryder_78 @ May 25 2018, 10:41 PM) The "crappy" installation that you cited, good imagination. Though in real life we rarely hear about buildings particularly apartments or condominiums being burnt down because of a wrongly-installed water heater. Most units in apartments would have water heaters installed, and I don't think I have read about any building being burnt down because of poor installation of water heaters. For burnt-down buildings, I believe a fire arson or flying jets crashing into buildings (just like the World Trade Centre) would stand a higher chance of getting the whole building on fire. In summary, the message I am conveying here is it's not that difficult to find a competent electrician. Of course, one can choose not to trust the electrician since you wont' know his background (unless you scrutinize his credentials for certification) but in reality, most experienced or competent electricians would do fine. Otherwise, we would hear buildings being burnt down in the news every day of the week due to poorly installed water heaters. Yes, good imagination. But in real life, I’ve seen a lot of stuff that makes me wary of things.
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SUSslimey
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Jun 8 2018, 06:25 AM
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QUOTE(bmwlover @ Jun 8 2018, 12:51 AM) do u guys recommend wall mounter instant water heater or storage type water heater? what are the pros & cons? The only benefit of storage water heater is that you can route the output to multiple tap and shower from 1 storage heater. If only just for shower, might as well use instant water heater. Because it is instant.
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SUSslimey
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Jun 8 2018, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE(bmwlover @ Jun 8 2018, 01:42 PM) Isit more costly to install storage type water heater coz need to reroute all de pipes right? Coz my house still empty now so if wana do it wud b dis time Yes and no. If only for 1 shower will be costlier. But if route to multiple outlet then may be more cost effective than multiple heaters.
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SUSslimey
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Jun 19 2018, 09:01 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 19 2018, 08:50 AM) Go for storage. Instant not mean for strong pressure. How strong do you need it to be? A typical pump supplies up to 3 bar of pressure The instant water heater can handle that pressure. If heating power is a concern, an efficient 3.6kw heater running at 80-90 percent capacity will have water that is warm enough to shower.
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SUSslimey
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Jul 4 2018, 06:44 PM
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jul 3 2018, 04:31 PM) WTA: Would you paying RM100 service charges for technician visit to inspect you faulty ceramic instant water heater and additional cost for change of part (if any). Brought 2 units of SEERS instant water heater back in Aug 2014, 1 under utilise and suddenly the pump stop working and no more hot water recently. 1 which daily usage had its pump replaced in 2016, cost me RM250 for it (without RM100 service charge) if similar replacement incurred, total RM350 expected. this make me think twice before making appointment with technician. Likely magnetic flow switch spoil. Cheap and easy fix. The part only cost rm 6-8.
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SUSslimey
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Jul 11 2018, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE(llk @ Jul 11 2018, 05:54 PM) Anyone know what is the reasonable labour charge to dismantle existing water heater & install a new one? Every easy to diy if you own an impact drill or a rotary hammer
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SUSslimey
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Jul 11 2018, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE(llk @ Jul 11 2018, 06:15 PM) I have the impact drill but i don't have confident to drill the wall tile  Drill only. Just need to make sure there is no plumbing or electric wire behind where you drill. If lucky, the holes will line out properly and no need drill or maybe drill 2 holes out of four. Drill bit masonry type. Size usually is 6mm for the pvc wall plug.
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SUSslimey
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Jul 12 2018, 06:24 PM
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QUOTE(mentalmuz @ Jul 12 2018, 11:17 AM) If I just need hot water for shower in 1 bathroom, does it still make sense to go for storage water heater? Currently I'm using Joven instant water heater. I'm quite satisfied with the temperature as I don't really need very hot water for shower but I want to change to big rain shower for personal enjoyment. So far when I read in this thread seems like instant water heater is not recommended to be use big rain shower? or do you guys know any instant water heater that I can use with big shower head maybe like below type?  rain shower does not need high pressure water. if water pressure is enough for normal shower head type, it will be enough for rain shower system.
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