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 RX 480 or GTX1070? Or GTX1060?, Which is better?

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post Jul 13 2016, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(Yottabyte @ Jul 13 2016, 05:06 PM)
2 links given on previous post.
Those don't even support the claim properly.

AMD has been talking DX12 for more than a year now, R9 Fury, R9 Fury X, R9 Nano and R9 300 series.

Supposedly better DX12 but in the end still lost to Nvidia 900 series.

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if you're gamer who mostly play latest games, DX12/Vulkan API would be a future for some AAA titles which AMD performance shines


Your argument is moot actually, when you compare DX12 games, it doesn't bring much of a performance boost when going from DX11 to DX12.

In the end regardless of what architecture, no AMD card is capable of providing the performance level of GTX 1080 and GTX 1070.

The Fury range doesn't even look attractive now with those cards around.
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post Jul 13 2016, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 13 2016, 05:12 PM)
Those don't even support the claim properly.

AMD has been talking DX12 for more than a year now, R9 Fury, R9 Fury X, R9 Nano and R9 300 series.

Supposedly better DX12 but in the end still lost to Nvidia 900 series.
Your argument is moot actually, when you compare DX12 games, it doesn't bring much of a performance boost when going from DX11 to DX12.

In the end regardless of what architecture, no AMD card is capable of providing the performance level of GTX 1080 and GTX 1070.

The Fury range doesn't even look attractive now with those cards around.
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i'm quite busy not really interested to debate. not to mention when you don't any supported links biggrin.gif . BTW, you google "DOOM on vulkan", or maybe just any DX11 vs DX12 benchmarks.
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post Jul 13 2016, 05:21 PM

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https://www.computerbase.de/2016-07/doom-vu...rks-amd-nvidia/

AMD has to use very cherry picked games (vulkan with Async for instance) to show their improvement.

good thing that vulkan delivers better than dx12.

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amd fanboys cry over not able to get anything to on the green camp so far is hilarious to see... if really wanna fight wait for amd to release the Polaris ... before that , its still loser camp at the moment.
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post Jul 13 2016, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(Yottabyte @ Jul 13 2016, 05:20 PM)
i'm quite busy not really interested to debate. not to mention when you don't any supported links  biggrin.gif . BTW, you google "DOOM on vulkan", or maybe just any DX11 vs DX12 benchmarks.
Why do I even need supporting links when I'm speaking from more than a decade experience using Nvidia and AMD products?
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QUOTE(Hwoarang45 @ Jul 13 2016, 05:22 PM)
amd fanboys cry over not able to get anything to on the green camp so far is hilarious to see... if really wanna fight wait for amd to release the Polaris ... before that , its still loser camp at the moment.
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that's insanity whistling.gif rather than fanboys laugh.gif
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post Jul 13 2016, 05:36 PM

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you are all wrong. the best gpu is from Matrox
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post Jul 13 2016, 05:37 PM

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Choose card maximised for games you play. Its that simple guys. If fight against fan boy, god help us when that gonna end.
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QUOTE(zzzxtreme @ Jul 13 2016, 05:36 PM)
you are all wrong. the best gpu is from Matrox
Don't make me take out my Millenium G400! biggrin.gif

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on a serious note, personally I'd go something that has best value-performance ratio, that is to see which shop will clear their GTX980/GTX980i at insance prices. Insane I mean, priced lower than RX480
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QUOTE(zzzxtreme @ Jul 13 2016, 05:39 PM)
on a serious note, personally I'd go something that has best value-performance ratio, that is to see which shop will clear their GTX980/GTX980i at insance prices. Insane I mean, priced lower than RX480
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There's is shop selling 980ti for hehehehe~ not sure if it's a shop but anyway , my dua kupang . Not gonna be lower than rx480 larhh haha

Gigabyte gtx980ti waterforce + GX750 for RM2199

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...999663&hl=980ti

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QUOTE(Yottabyte @ Jul 13 2016, 05:05 PM)
if you're gamer who mostly play latest games, DX12/Vulkan API would be a future for some AAA titles which AMD performance shines, and it would likely be that way for a long time to come. AMD maybe slow in updating its hardware architecture, however on the bright side, it means driver supports for latest games still covers former generation series, hence the 290x rock solid performance compared to his supposedly superior peer 780Ti (link).

No doubt Nvidia driver is superior than AMD, but that probably for current Nvidia generation(link). That's why I said its perfectly fine to buy Nvidia if you update card annually. That being said, avoid buying their 900 and 700 series gpu. those are tuned for DX11 and likely left out on driver support.
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Dude, the article was published on 24 August 2015, ie. last year. Both cards (from AMD and Nvidia) are obsolete.

I am not a fan of either Nvidia or AMD, frankly graphic cards from both companies can last for years. I was using a Geforce GTX 580 for more than 3 years (I am still using it now)

Similarly, I had a ATI Radeon 9700 Pro for more than 3 year. I can't remember whether I sold this card or eventually scrapped it as it was too many years ago.


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QUOTE(kianweic @ Jul 13 2016, 05:56 PM)
Dude, the article was published on 24 August 2015, ie. last year. Both cards (from AMD and Nvidia) are obsolete.

I am not a fan of either Nvidia or AMD, frankly graphic cards from both companies can last for years. I was using a Geforce GTX 580 for more than 3 years (I am still using it now)

Similarly, I had a ATI Radeon 9700 Pro for more than 3 year. I can't remember whether I sold this card or eventually scrapped it as it was too many years ago.
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It's natural if im taking 2 years old benchmark since that's where its all started. this much more recent benchmark, march 31, 2016 to be precise. does it better now? look yourself. biggrin.gif

Guess what, I'm against fanboyism either. i just got myself 1080 because that's what the best for now beside I can afford to buy it. LOL.

I guess i wont take 'Hardware' too seriously when 'admin' start trolling. I thought i was in /k/.

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QUOTE(Ryutaro @ Jul 13 2016, 05:00 PM)
U r right when it comes to driver support, older graphic card that keep on update to the latest driver will sometimes cause a performance degradation or worse
Yup. I never said nvidia becomes obsolete whatsoever. smile.gif

I'm not sure which part is misleading though. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 13 2016, 04:49 PM)
You drunk or something?
For a while I thought I'm in /k. rclxub.gif
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i guess last gen cards for AMD still have hope to improve on performance like 390 did with 48% gains in 1080p compared to GTX 970 which barely did. but you know which card sells better?

since Pascal owners already having great performance right now they shouldnt be too worried.

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post Jul 13 2016, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(Yottabyte @ Jul 13 2016, 06:12 PM)
I guess i wont take 'Hardware' too seriously when 'admin' start trolling. I thought i was in /k/.
Erm, those posts aren't considered trolling sir. biggrin.gif

Back to the article you provided, you should consider what is mentioned at the end ..........

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Some said AMD’s drivers were lacking while others went so far as to claim NVIDIA may have purposely crippled Kepler’s performance in an effort to drive 900-series sales. None of that was evident after running through each game’s respective benchmark scene at least four times over.
The above bolded sentence counter the other link you post that leads to Nvidia forum.

This is followed by

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As it stands, I couldn’t find any instance where the GTX 780 Ti exhibited debilitating performance problems. That includes newer games I’m currently playing that aren’t in the benchmarks like Trine 3 and the Call to Arms beta. All of the results were in line, if not better than expected given this card’s memory limitations and relative age.
So in the end what I see is that your links actually just countered your argument, the article concluded that both works fine.
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post Jul 13 2016, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 13 2016, 06:22 PM)
For a while I thought I'm in /k.  rclxub.gif
Figure of speech - how is that related to /k/

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This is how conversation goes, and opening that expresses initial impression, then followed by details. In fact by the stuff you guys posted - claims but with no details, those are more /k/ actually.

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Now, you see what I had to deal with in the public FB group I talked about before, Goldfries? I gave up and did the most sensible thing, play more games rather than continue arguing. Cherry picking doesnt even begin to describe it.

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 13 2016, 06:37 PM)
Now, you see what I had to deal with in the public FB group I had to deal with, Goldfries? I gave up and did the most sensible thing, play more games rather than continue arguing. Cherry picking doesnt begin to describe it.
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I thought of tagging you when I was replying the above.

Really, none of them make sense. People need to understand that whatever tech you throw in, the hardware is still the limitation.

AMD's APU didn't catch up despite super duper amount of technology in there because Intel just provided what people want - PROCESSING POWER. That's it. HVEC encoding? That's good. GCN? TruAudio? Whatever goodies - oh yeah fancy, but I only need processing power.

Same goes to the GPU side. AMD is good, hats off to them and credits due to them on technology department but people just want performance, good performance for the price they pay and one that doesn't make the card become a toaster oven. sad.gif

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