I err...whaaaat?
This guys really is on a different level lol.

Did you or did you not agree with my statement because I didn't see a single argument or fact against my original statement in these long ass post.
I am a bit confused at what you're trying to achieve here, you came off as being denial in my opinion with all these excuse, diversion and an analogy (that is worse than a food analogy! Imagine that!)

I do think however, owe you an apology.
If I knew you were such an interesting person I wouldn't drag this argument this long, and just leave it cold like that.
It must be awful writing all those, and I apologize for making you do it.

Yep, almost 1:1 exchange rate with US price!
Can't wait for GTX 1060!

Hurrah for corporate rivalry~
Palit Jetstream look better and priced the same.
I'd go with Palit over Gigabyte for Nvidia.

My POV is FACT and DATA. Its a factual data, you can't see it in any different perspective.
Trying to spin it from a different view is what you have been doing all day long.
I have not attached my argument with emotion, analogy or reference.

Y Price before X existence = 1400
Y Price after X existence = RM1000

And thus X is the cause of Y price drop. The end.

Also why wouldn't anybody prefer this over Gigabyte stuff?

Wow wee...... Hooray!!   Uhm... I bought GPU already big waste if I dump the few months old R9 390X. I'll stick to it for 1-2 years before getting the newer GTX1080TI better. I'll pass the option to go crossfire unless R9 390X price drop to less than RM1k. Less likely local stores would do that, neither AMD. Back then maybe.

...did you even try to read any single post I made?
I've already addressed this matter by stating this fact : For the past 5 years such drop in price have not happened.
Actually it doesn't, not by much.



You may not realize this, but the gpu generation jump have been almost stagnated by the same process that halted the GPU price/perf progression of the past 6 years.
Price declination is extremely snailpaced and made worse with our awful exchange rate and GST recently.

Also, you can stop looking through my post history and this personal attack lol.
You just make yourself look worse.

Oh you didn't mean it? I mean, why even bring it up?

Also, most of my attack is against your words and your words only.
Please do not take it personally, and I apologize if somehow you did.

Dream only, 1.3k lol. This is Nvidia we are talking about.
You are right.

Sadly it is hard to see for Nvidia fans. Not everyone can afford GTX 1070 that upped a price tier or drop close to 4k for a GPU.

And if back then you bought GTX 970, you should've bought a 390 8GB instead. Should've bought a 390, yeah it's even a meme. But diehard NV fans will still be happy with 3.5GB 970, although similarly priced to R9 390 before Polaris/Pascal.
Cannot agree more, at least you are non bias which is very important for known reviewer.

Actually GTX 970 is close to $200-$250 or even less now if you check hardwareswap. In Malaysia, people tend to value Nvidia cards more, even though AMD cards peform better. Just see used R9 290/280x price compared to GTX 960/770.

If you are buying new cards for building your new rig, I've not personally seen a single respected reviewer recommend to buy a 970 over the RX480 now, although you can argue about the 480 Malaysian price.

The 970 is EOL soon, and unless you can get it for RM1k and below it is not worth that much anymore, and not everyone wants used cards with almost dead warranty.

It can be worth it if you plan to upgrade again in a year because by then, drive optimizations for Maxwell is almost peaking, more games coming out with dx12/Vulkan, and use more than 3GB vram.

So unless you're happy with older games, turning down settings, or upgrading again, spending much more on a Gsync monitor, RX 480 is a better bet down the road. The same can be said for 980 4GB, the 1060 is rumored to be at that level and with additional 2GB vram. If it indeed does deliver, then it all boils down to Malaysian markup and pricing again.

By then aftermarket RX 480s should be out (August), and with that you can have 8GB vram, r9 390 level performance at very least, with hardware support for dx12/vulkan. Vulkan is another graphics API descended from Mantle, and is important for people not wanting to be locked to Windows 10. Games like Dota 2 already has functional Vulkan mode, as will DOOM. More game engines will be onboard too: EPIC is adding vulkan and DX12 support to UE4. Frostbyte already showing off DX12 w/ BF1. Crytek on board. Unity shouldn't be far behind.

By moving forward with DX12 multi-engine and crossplatform development tech will make for better, more detailed, and more optimized games for the PC.

As for Async Compute, we dont know yet if it will be widely used. But it is already used in current gen console gaming, which is why Sony/Microsoft have selected AMD for their consoles.

NVidia's problem with hardware Async is because it is half-baked, they removed most of the scheduling units from their GPU design so they could get better performance-per-watts, and thus it appears to be superior in power consumption.

Even Nvidia Engineer, Tom Peterson says "no comment" on Nvidias Async problem. When Volta comes out, and if it supports Async, we'll see that nVidia's performance-per-watt isnt that different compared to that of AMDs. You can read more here: http://ext3h.makegames.de/DX12_Compute.html

Sure you can upgrade again by the time with another Nvidia GPU with the hardware support, which is why Nvidia users feel the urge to upgrade whenever new card replaces the last gen.

Anyway Steam updated their hardware survey in June:
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

That's because the 490, that is on the tier of 1070 isnt out yet. Simple as that. 1070 is only 4 frames ahead compared to last gen Fury, and only 10 FPS above 980ti.

This is GTX 1080's brute force performance:


from https://www.computerbase.de/2016-05/geforce...x-1080-test/11/

the same can be said for 1070 right. a 980ti or titan user would be having the same performance of a 1070 for already quite some time. nothing to congratulate nvidia about the 1070?

This is exactly the case. That's why I don't see why there's a need to condemn RX 480.

GTX 1070 came out at GTX 980 price point, to replace GTX 980 Ti performance and GTX 970 power draw but no one complains.

If one can complain about the RX 480, bring the GTX 1070 into the picture as well.

I know of some people who want the rx480 to be cheaper...not because they want to buy it..but in the hopes that it will drive down nvidia prices so that they can more easily buy nvidia 
rx 480 is a good card..i would buy it myself if it was slightly cheaper just to experiment and play around with it.

haha true also. nice one

just saying that same logic apply to 1070.. sometimes tunnel view so i didnt notice it too. nothing wrong with that.

Bro, RX 480 is just another mid end gpu by AMD. This card built for budget users, not enthusiast. It you wanna talk about tier proposition, GTX 970 is actually competing with R9 390 and RX 480 will directly competing with GTX 1060. While Nvidia always produces efficient cards,  AMD always went with different route like giving more vram and lower pricing. RX 480 isnt doing that bad if you considering it lower price point, future performance boost potential (DX12) & it overlaps the previous NVIDIA upper tier card which is GTX 970.

But i gotta agree AMD doing pretty badly with their current flagship (Fury & Fury X). Their current flagship is pretty much rubbish atm and they urgently needs to fasten up their next card releases. Lets see if they able to catching up the game with upcoming flagship.

yeah i'm glad that you understand that there exists different tiers/markets because there exists budget/enthusiast users. like if 1060 comes out with 980 performance, the same can be said for 980 users already been there done that, nothing new really might as well go for 1070 only etc, and it goes on. so dont go back to square one again

as for the second part, i dont get why you are going on about that, because i never said anything about gungho 480 beating 1080 or even remotely 1070, what?? lol

i think you just went back to it again, i give up LOL

also not sure why you are still calling people out for comparing 1070 to 480, that was so long ago even before 480 benchmarks arrived.

since we have proper benchmarks now, be rest assured that no one is comparing it to that anymore.

bro i'm totally ignoring reference rx 480 at this point, because you know la not expecting anything more from a reference card with subpar cooler.

waiting to see GTX 1060 and Nitro+ 480 only.