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Momo33
post Oct 9 2020, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(chemistry @ Oct 9 2020, 04:56 PM)
Hi sifu,

Can I replace a 63A 1P switch fuse with a 63A 2P MCB ?
how does the installation go about? Since existing switch fuse only has 1 incoming & 1 outgoing...
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this is to replace the MAIns switch ya.

better to get a 63A 1P MCB .




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post Oct 9 2020, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(chemistry @ Oct 9 2020, 06:35 PM)
If only 63A 2P MCB is available, is it usable?
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yes.. it can be. used .

just Input the L & N from tenaga to the bottom pins .
on top will be the OUT . L to RCD . N to the busbar .





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post Oct 9 2020, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(chemistry @ Oct 9 2020, 07:15 PM)
thanks for your detailed explanation.
Forgive my sillyness. Sorry if my question sound stupid.
I don't understand one thing.
Existing main switch (some ppl call it switch fuse) only got  2 holes (1 In and 1 Out). If no choice but to use 2P MCB, won't it have extra empty hole then? Coz it has 4 holes ( 2 In , 2 Out ).
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mains switch can use switch fuse or use a isolator or use a MCB . 63A for single phase.

some switch fuse have 2 holes at bottom and 2 holes at top . Live and neutral .

just check which you want . thumbsup.gif


the reason is at the MAIN switch . the neutral ''you can say no use. '' so we protect the LIVE line only .
that s why some manufacturer make a 1 P unit. so sell cheaper , you save some money .


https://shopee.com.my/EPS-63A-1P-N-Main-Swi...0848.2817950833

https://shopee.com.my/EPS-63A-1P-N-Main-Swi...0848.2817950833



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post Oct 9 2020, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(chemistry @ Oct 9 2020, 07:54 PM)
Existing is using something like this.
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Then my uncle bought this from outside.
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Is it correct to connect the IN and OUT as shown above? Leave the other two holes empty right?
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yes... correct .

the left side for LIVE in /out . as your marker .
The out LIVE will connect to your IN Live of RCD device.


since you dont want to pass the neutral in this 63A MCB ..
you need to check that the Neutral goes DIRECT to the N of the RCD , it should already be there . as you not touch any N Black cable.


refer to the wiring diagram by stormerlyn below....

Just a question. nod.gif
your DB box is already correct with the EPS switch fuse .

what make you want to change to mcb ? ( it is not wrong to change.

ok there is no hurry for you to change this , just wait till one day you have electrician in your house , you and ask him change...



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post Oct 10 2020, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Oct 10 2020, 04:51 AM)
It is preferable to ensure that the RCD/MCB/isolator is from same brand. This way it will fit well when you install the busbar.
Also liability issue, if you fit proton engine into a honda MPV and using ECU from toyota, if the car blows up, I don't think insurance/mfg product liability will cover.

Also, for own house, preferably get the whole system from ABB/Hager/Schneider. These are reputable brands with easily 10-18 countries' certification.

The CE logo, to be honest is just suka suka self declaration [CE marking does not provide any specific information to the consumer. It is not a quality assurance declaration, it does not show evidence of third-party testing, and it should not be confused with any independent certification mark of the type issued by international or European notified test bodies.]
Seconded. When talking about main switch replacement you're dealing with live TNB feed of 230V at thousands of amps.
Just 0.05A is all that's needed to kill a person.

If working BEHIND the main switch isolator, that one is much safer since L and N are cut off from TNB safely. But to touch those live wires (since there is no isolator installed currently) it is a very risky thing, call an electrician.
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the Hager , ABB ...etc is sold at really High price. about 2 to 3 times more .

if you on lower budget than go for EPS.
their products have certification . Type tested by Intertek Semko AB (Sweden) in compliance to IEC 60898

yes the CE logo is miss used.


sometimes you want to DIY small things. . so get info and learn up to understand how it works. access the risk and if you confident go ahead.

if you really want to work on the DB box ... the safest/best is to pull out the tenaga fuses at the outside panel by the Meter.
wear a thick rubber glove . thumbsup.gif
you must have a test pen or a digital meter to check iif safe.
always double check no power before you touch/handle .
always have a partner there . DO not work ALONE .



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post Oct 17 2020, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(chemistry @ Oct 16 2020, 09:36 PM)
haha, because recently read some articles about switch fuse and MCB, noticed that it is common practice to use 2P MCB as main switch.


thanks for your diagram. Appreciate it.
After watching some youtube videos I gained better illustration on this diagram.
It's true. Thanks for your warm advice.

yes true sometimes we have a choice .
As you have already a switch fuse installed , i said just keep it.

Let s look at the practical side.
there are cases that MCB dont trip nod.gif due to various reasons . MCB can malfunction too.
how often do you test your MCB ? hmm.gif

The choice is still yours ..
my house DB has a switch fuse
I cannot find a good reason to change it out to a MCB . can you ?
i am thinking about the risk and safety .


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post Oct 17 2020, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(chemistry @ Oct 17 2020, 11:56 AM)
I really have no idea, sir. I am not good in electricity thing. I just noticed many new DB using 2P MCB as main switch hence asked this question.. If you tell me switch fuse is still a good thing, I will just let it stay there until it blows (don't know when haha).
By the way, would you spare some time to comment on my shop's 3phase DB posted above? Thank you Sir.
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is your concern about the RCB device installation .
usually RCD is top feed.
what model RCD you have there ..? DELIXI ?



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post Oct 17 2020, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(chemistry @ Oct 17 2020, 12:28 PM)
Yes sir, I am particularly concerned about the reversely-fed RCCB and MCBs.
The RCCB model is CDL7463YC. Brand "Delixi".

Yesterday night I read one article, which says "if the RCD does not specify LINE and LOAD on the terminals, mean it can be reverse feed. If it does specify, then must follow accordingly". I am not sure this statement true or not.
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lookin at the circuit diagram on the delixi rcd ...its top feed . so no worries . thumbsup.gif

Are you facing constant tripping or very often trip ?



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post Oct 17 2020, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(chemistry @ Oct 17 2020, 12:58 PM)
Yeah, circuit says top feed, but in actual it was bottom fed instead.
Could you see the Outgoing (from switch fuse) actually connect to the bottom of that RCD.

The previous Maxguard RCD did not trip when I pressed "T" . Hence the replacement. Asked an electrician to come and he had only this brand for 63A 4P 100mA RCD.  If 300mA, he has Maxguard. I chose 100mA.
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i check the circuit diagram of the delixi again . seems you can connect top or bottom . no problem . nod.gif

the maxguard is faulty .
possible can be hit the lightning surge or the trip mechanism mechanical is jam .

its recommended to test the RCB a few times in a year.



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post Oct 17 2020, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(chemistry @ Oct 17 2020, 01:22 PM)
Relieved to hear that.
I press T every month. Just early this month found out it won't trip.
Could you shed some light how to interpret the diagram,  particularly to check whether it can connect top or bottom?

Yesterday i studied many diagrams, only the ABB diagram labels 1/2 at top, 2/1 at bottom. Most other brands label 1 at top, 2 at bottom.
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its best to check the manufacturer installation guide .
when u buy a RCD device they put the guide in the box.

in this case they dont specify . so top or bottom is OK.

the diagram is a guide but not tell what is right regarding installation.




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post Oct 17 2020, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(chemistry @ Oct 17 2020, 03:10 PM)
Unfortunately there is no guide/manual inside the box . What a cap ayam...
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yes... when buying china made power devices need to check out the specs , compliance standards ..etc .
or just go for the better brand you trust .

something always best to buy the same manufacturer type devices in the DB box.
mix types is a risk . you need to study more the specs, and requirements of the devices. dont trust any electricians . you need to know !

in short dont simply buy any without knowing the details and facts./ do your research first thumbsup.gif



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