Would like to know why most of the cars sold in MALAYSIA is AUTO??????

Why there is no manual transmission????

auto good. easy to drive.

i almost forgot how to drive a manual car. the last time i drove a manual is like 6-7years ago.

heavy traffic, auto can help ease our left leg

Because car dealers notice the demand for auto cars are much higher than manual ones so why bring in lots of manual ones?

Is bcz M'sian lazy when comes 2 manual stuff..

Im driving a stick......

hehehe i'm second on this!!

plus due to low demand of manual car.. those car dealer stop marketing manual car in Malaysia..

This post has been edited by su8aru: Jan 12 2007, 12:02 AM

not only in msia, it make sense why auto instead of manual. Mostly only youngsters will want a manual. Also, usually auto has a better 2nd hand value.

now auto transmission is as good as manual transmission...and the TRAFFIC Jam of course

traffic jam at highways during festive season can be record setting. therefore to prevent any risk of injuries to the left leg during festive season, we choose an auto car.

Why not auto

most people only want the car to move about and auto makes it so much easier.

dun have to shift gear, dun have to worry about clutch repair, dun have to care about silap masuk gear and also less chances of the engine being revved to bits.

not only traffic jam. Parking lot also a lot easier.
just get in start, get into gear and go.

This post has been edited by sakaic: Jan 12 2007, 12:10 AM

Coz technology is meant to ease us off the manual tasks.

Same reason why you'd want a power steering, a hydraulic disc brake or even a motorised power window.

Cause in Malaysia, you don't get to decide what you want in your car...

I still prefer manual anytime. More controls to what my car behave

But of course new car AUTO transmission has improved to a level where it able to be fuel economical too.

Modern auto cars can smoke manual any time... why? Because u just drive and leave the shifting to the computer. Example: VW Golf GTi with DSG.

Anyway, it's not only Malaysia who has more auto cars... even in the US, 90% cars sold over the last 30 years are auto and they can handle high horse power over 800hp!

Do you also prefer manual windows so you can control how fast the window winds down/up?

Just joking ya, no offense intended

why? because many Malaysians prefer using their hands to hold their stick instead? hehe.. kiddin... I think it's auto because of new technology are all focus on auto gears. We have tiptronics, AMT, Selespeed, etc.

for a cow guy who rides a motor, you sure are horny

Audi invented the DSG gearbox. It is the best Auto/manual gearbox in the market today. Only available in Audi's top models and the world's fastest car.

Later both the conventional auto and manual will be phased out here.

cuz it's easier when comes to traffic jam...

actually i think manual still the best...for the audi DSG gearbox looks like how? how it works? btw still think if it is the same car manual will still beat auto cars in term of 0-100km/h etc...& auto gear box usually are heavier than the manual...in terms of mayb 80-150 kg guar....for the same car same power the power to weight ratio manual still have the better opportunity hehe..hehe just my opinion

haha finally someone who prefer manual..

I prefer manual anytime. Been driving for 16 years and always preferred manual, even thru the jam of KL. Only whimps complain of leg cramps on the left leg when stuck in jam.

i prefer manual as well...
exercise both leg at the same time...
i dont want right leg's muscle look bigger than left leg's muscle after 10 years... and hand as well
and i like to control car performance always...

This post has been edited by gkl83: Jan 12 2007, 09:44 PM

the main reason is that malaysian roads are packed with cars,and the market for auto cars are big

I've been driving for 10 years.. yes .. indeed i still prefer manual.. i dun even feel like driving an auto .. when im in an auto car.. i will ask someone else to drive for me.. no matter its in a jam or not.

to me.. driving is fun .. but driving an auto car.. totally not fun .. so i ask someone to drive while i enjoy in the car would be better.

Cos its easier to handle busy roundabouts where u have 1 less thing to do from the list of steering the car and changing the signal.

It's like this. It has 2 clutches, 1 for the even numbered gears(like 2,4 and 6), and the other is for odd numbered gear(1,3,5). When you accelerate from 1st gear, one clutch engages to transfer power while the other "pre-engages" (the clutch is on but power is not transferred). When the computer thinks its good enough to shift power is transferred to the other clutch. Voila, you're in second gear! It's like having 2 gearboxes in one.

And the process continues. DSG mean Dual Shift Gearbox(or something like that). So you see it is a true manual but can be as smooth and easy as an auto without the power loss. All the reviews on it are positive. Unlike conventional Semi-Auto gearbox, the DSG won't throw you forward when you shift. A normal Semi auto does things normally, disengage clutch, shift and then engage the power again. You can put it in manual mode as well. It's faster than an AMT(like in Savvy) although it's more complex than an auto.

This post has been edited by tunertoobe: Jan 13 2007, 12:28 AM

me also manual..when come on pickup issue, surely u will go for manual..especially overtaking..

However back to the thread...

The thing is why they(car makers) dont provide manual transmission... what i can see is that they only provide Auto.... it like they have monopolies the market to Auto... only

why cant they provide an option for the ppl who buys car to be able to choose between Auto and Manual.. i am sure there is a lof of manual lovers.... hehe

they(car makers) should gv the decision on the buyers not themself. even thought producing 1 is more easier then producing 2 different things at the same time...

is depend on mass demand in the market... and the traffic condition in malaysia... and the malaysian's attitude...

and question here:
if we able to purchase expensive car, do we mind to pay extra Rm3k-5k to get auto transmissions? NO...
if we only able to purchase cheap car, do we mind to pay extra Rm3k-5k to get auto transmissions? YES...

plus mass production can cut cost... if u prefer naza car, and look for cheap car as well, either suria or sutera only...
u want manual? go for sutera...
u want auto? go for suria...

somemore i saw a super car in sunway pyramid before, the car price for auto is higher than manual...

This post has been edited by gkl83: Jan 13 2007, 06:32 PM

mayb in the future there will be FULLY AUTO which does not required driver. Just key in the destination and the car will automatically drive you to the location

By then nobody even need to get a car license and road accident will drop to zero

I prefer auto because my life is full with traffic jam.

how fast manual tranny bring us to 100kmh aso useless..we get stuck on our way to work..stuck going home from work everywer is jus cars n cars..driving manual would be annoying at times even its fun

I couldn't help but to agree

auto easy..less accident..imagine makcik with auto also accident,if manual...?

makcik not able to drive manual and zero accident...

my mom scold me and give me a very long lecturer and trying her best to demotivate me when I say I want a manual car . I guess it is all bog down to how malaysia mindset when it come to car . ahh too confusing ahh too many jam ahh too many cheating mechanic ahh too high loan . so they are very not bothering about the car they just want to go from A to B . that all , they dont care about the car , they dont care the feel of the car they know nut about car infact ...

well atleast that is how I see most automatic car driver

oh yeah , in my opinion no matter what automatic it is . auto is the most perfect way to ruin a perfectly fine and good car

This post has been edited by guest18: Jan 15 2007, 03:58 PM

malaysian lazy n so m i...

We have Tiptronics/Multitronic/Shiftronic/Steptronic or whatever name u want to call it nowadays... so auto all the way~~ although i know how to drive manual as well

Isn't there shiftronic technology?

Most propably because of driving condition in Malaysia...
Most of the time in KL is Packed and Traffic Jam...
Somemore, it's easier to drive along with AUTO...

very true.....some care models are manufactured with the choice for consumer to have it in manual or auto......

unfortunately the systems of car sales in malaysia is not done this way

yaya...trafic jam if drive auoto veli good...can rest...hahahaa

isn't there is a way to mod your manual where you no need to press the clutch at all? not sure some kind of platting or something and can shift gear without pressing the clutch at all ...

easier to drive a little but still need move your left hand to shift gear

i prefer amt or tiptronic, but can this be implemented in normal wheels?

for example if i want to change a wira 1.6 transmission to tiptronic or amt
Will JPJ approve it?

I'm too sued to manual transmission. I can't even get a manual Honda City.

driving an auto car is as fun as driving a manual car...i enjoy both world...

I'm a manual activist .

To me, it boils down on having more control on how the car reacts (auto vs manual on same car). Having manual means you can manipulate the drivetrain, in more ways than an autol can. Of course one could argue that, that is more beneficial in a track or race setting, but i personally feel its beneficial on the road too .

Well, it all depends on the driver. Some drivers drive better on manual, some drives better using auto (cause they cant handle a manual ). And it seems that the latter group is getting larger, thats why so much R&D is poured into auto, thus the emerging of more and better auto trans vehicle. The world is just getting too lazy for clutch (which isnt necessarily a bad thing for people who live in jam packed cities ).

But for people like me, we think that its worth facing the jam with our manual trannies .

This post has been edited by daijoubu: Jan 22 2007, 12:23 AM

i love manual ~!
at least when driving.. u ll get da feel of u "controlling" da car
not lik auto.. jz da oil n break pedal ? >.<
btw.. both transmission has its pro n cons..

Lol me too im loving manuals car so much. I have a stigma saying that only old people drives auto car

been driving manual cars for 5 years now and still loving it. For me, the ecstasy of fully controlling your car give me pleasure.

Not to mention that Manual car have better control of your fuel efficiencies especially when traveling long distance.

manual or auto same thing one la.... i dont feel much difference between the 2... coz usually my right leg will get tired first coz need to work on gas n brake pedal..... multitasking is tough job...

err.....not all old people drives auto......my dad who is 67 this years loves manual and will he won;t want to drive auto.....

Manual and auto is the same if you hardly revved up. Not talking about sports cars here. For revving action, somehow I prefer clutch/accelerator and stick combination. Revving with an auto car is just dull and boring even if its as fast as a manual.

For me auto is good in KL road. Much easy to go around the city. AS for the manual I will prefre to use it in Highway or out of city area, where I can give the engine a good rev to teh redline.. Also an auto box we need a bit of time to maintain it for longer run/use.

back to the Q? As most car buyer who need a car is just to get them from point a to point b, so an auto is much better chose for them. Also most of the cars that sold here are not performance cars.

BTW, for the DSG in GTI Mk5, if we do hv a manual ver., for us to test drive. I think most of us will go for the manual that for sure, the power output is soooooo sweet.

i saw quite a number of performance cars in Msia such like Skyline using auto..

n most Msia are lazy type ppl which less doing exercise.. jus want 2 enjoy more...

Manual Transmission FOR THE WIN!!

just becoz of ur preference, u calling ppl wimps..

agree. doesn't sum up that much of a diff, auto is for people who don liki manual and manual is for ppl then dun like auto. You really can't say which is good as everyone have their own opinions. Manual is powerful, that's true, but if stuck in traffic jam, also same nia, cannot rev also. Im not saying, manual its hard during traffic jam, but auto certainly is easier compare to manual in that situation.
But for me Im still going for manual as its cheaper.

moderator mah

You know, when you bring out your gf, you will have extra hand to do the *ahem* job instead of changing gears if you're using autobox. (LOL, joking lah )

Meh, my current ride is an automatic and I have a spare car with manual trans which was my old ride. As for my daily ride, I prefer it to be an automatic so that i can enjoy my ICE and smooth journey go and back from work. While on the weekend I'll use the spare car for more spirited driving.

So, I'm okay with both

This post has been edited by igor_is300: Mar 1 2007, 09:16 AM

so? i saw him kena flame from other forummers at 4gtuners forum for disrespect.

he was moderator oso wad....

Yup..

Only whimps prefer AUTO :

semiauto is the best

our petrol cheap mah

another macho man!

even in Singapore their City.. Vios ...Jazz... Yaris n Civic does offer manual transmission...

But then, what if somene bought a Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren? Are they whimps too?

that one different case adi la... SLR only has auto tranny.... u got no choice if ur dream car is SLR....

what diff case...

dtm spec car oso auto wad.. lame excuse

I know why now all prefer auto instead of manual;

1) Due to the traffic jams all the time
2) Scare at stopping at the hill. (Manual, if not don't know control then engine will die mah)=P
3) Due to some lazyness.

But i still driving manual car and i like manual car. Cause if driving manual car, Is me control the car power and if driving Auto car, is the car control the power.

thats why i prefer JDM cars...

running away again?

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Added on March 2, 2007, 2:01 pmif u know the car's powerband and know how to maintain its rev from shifting automatically.. why not?

This post has been edited by miragers: Mar 2 2007, 02:01 PM

manual is fun
Auto is ok for cruising and when ure not-in-the-mood-to-drive-but-u-have-to.

But nowadays, Auto gearboxes are more responsive compared to 10 years back. They are more intelligent too.

For me, When i change a car in the future, I would prefer a semi-auto..or sumthing with tiptronic.. Can have a lil bit of both worlds.

and as for the topic, just look at traffic conditions in the major cities nowadays. Bad road infrastructure coupled with the attitudes of malaysian drivers.... Best. Not a lot of ppl would want to put up with manual to jam..especially not after work. lol.

Long distance travelling of course Auto car better.

I thought only traffic jams.. while long distance even at manual... your leg just need 2 press the accelerator unless stuck in traffic jam...

Actually for long distance the auto would be better especially if the car comes with cruise control. Most of the newer ones actually downshift to hold the car back if you're going down a slope. No more nasty tickets.

I don't bother using cruise control even when I was driving for 9 hours non-stop. But yeah in a highway, manual/auto really got no differences.

But if youre stuck on the highway with festive-period-jams that stretches up to several kilometers then there will be a diffrence

Newer auto technology now also very responsive already.....so much better than last time. Drove my uncle's EVO 7 GTA once, although I use auto at that time, it still satisfies me a lot....very responsive

And it boils down to the driver's preferences too...

Although I prefer manual, but in some circumstances, auto still has its benefits.

Notoriez : "Only whimps prefer auto" <--- Please man~~~get a life

This post has been edited by shinjite: Mar 6 2007, 07:52 PM

but still the Evo 7.5(which means auto) cant beat the Evo 7 manual.. with over 1 second of difference in 0-100 acceleration...

it doesn't matter whether it CAN beat or not, we are not talking about drag here. I am stating that auto GB is getting better.

Plus the GTA has lower HP and torque, what do you expect?

This post has been edited by shinjite: Mar 6 2007, 09:12 PM

well u taking about the auto gearbox on a Evo 7.5.. ofcos it will still quite responsive...

but I didn't talk about comparing it to a EVO 7 manual and beating it in a 0-100 drag, did I?

This post has been edited by shinjite: Mar 6 2007, 09:55 PM

so i'm just comparing the manual n auto version of the Evo 7..

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Added on March 6, 2007, 11:06 pmyet auto gearbox is getting better... but most the auto car still cant beat the manual car... especially in terms of power.. acceleration... & FC...

This post has been edited by su8aru: Mar 6 2007, 11:06 PM

there is a good example of an auto beating manual

the DSG VW Golf GTI vs Manual VW Golf GTI. Both are of the same spec. The DSG model is faster than the manual in terms of acceleration. This has been proven in one of the BMI Hot Version hosted by Keiichi Tsuchiya.

You got your answer

That's not a pure auto. It's basically 2 manual gearboxes in one, operated by robots. It has 2 clutches for 2 different gear sets, one for odd numbered gears, one for even numbered gears. Doesn't have fluid coupling, just the good ol' clutch plates.

No true auto can beat a manual. The DSG is just the best of both worlds.

This post has been edited by tunertoobe: Mar 7 2007, 12:00 AM

well, yes thats true, but maybe soon most autos will actually have such systems built into the car?

technology pushes automobile makers can produce more user friendly cars therefore more and more auto-transmission cars on road now but in malaysia there are a lot of old cars so I think the ratio is 1:1. Manual transmission is fun especially FR configured car!!!

@Kclee2002
Yeah when they can find a way to mass produce it.
Right now it is reserved for Audis and VWs top models. The DSG is extremely complex and quite expensive.

This post has been edited by tunertoobe: Mar 7 2007, 12:06 AM

my opinion, manual is very easy to handle so it quite boring also using manual...sometimes people want to use different style like auto...and auto also easy...it's up to driver

Manual is boring if you don't know some of the "luxury" skills out there.
Like heel-and-toe and clutchless shifting. I want to learn these two so I can be hell on wheels!

This post has been edited by tunertoobe: Mar 7 2007, 10:14 AM

IMO, most cars in Malaysia are automatic because of the traffic, for the first reason. Start stop traffic in KL can cause you to cook the clutch if you can't handle it properly. (like in the Porsche Carrera GT, with a tiny clutch of just 169mm in diameter) You also might end up in a spin which might be a serious problem. Also, manual gearboxes can be tiring if you drive them for a long time. (Because of the clutch) Like on the Ferrari F40, it has a VERY heavy clutch. The other reason is that we don't really need to have manuals on say, Proton Wiras, although they do have manual Wiras. Manuals are basically for optimizing the performance of cars, where you need the revs high. Automatics will back off and switch up even before you hit the red line. That's why I think most, but not all cars in Malaysia are automatic. I don't wanna go into paddle shifts/e-gear/DSG/semi-auto.

Uhuh, you trapped yourself there.
It's because of Wira's crappy performance that it needs a manual.

You mean low-performance cars need a manual? Which also means that high-performance cars need autos at the same time. Why aren't we seeing automatic Lamborghinis and Porsches then? Most autos have torque converters, unlike manuals, and that's why i think a Wira will go better with an auto.

Yes, poor performing cars needs a manual to maximise its performance. Actually need is a bit incorrect. Any car can have any transmision, but it's up to the engineers and the market demand on which gearbox to put in. The Wira shouldn't have an auto. The weight overwhelms the torque and power. But the market demand it, customer say, "we want an auto, our legs are killing us". So they put an auto to satisfy the customers.

From an engineering pint of view, the Wira would be best with a manual, but customers want easy driving. Driving a manual doesn't necessarily mean that you want performance out of it. Most people buy a manual because of its apparent advantage in fuel economy. There is less power loss with a manual. The shift-point for both would probably be the same, but an auto would need more effort to get to the shift-point than a manual.

So in conclusion, it's not about the car's needs, it's the driver's needs.

Yeah, it's the driver's needs.

how about gen2 1.3? i know tat all of the 1.3 car using auto... low cc car using auto?

perhaps proton think campro 1.6 was high end engine performance for gen2? then campro 1.3 should be normal performance for gen2? perhaps 1.0cc means low-end engine performance for gen2?

This post has been edited by gkl83: Mar 7 2007, 06:34 PM