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 MCU Spider-Man: No Way Home, Dec 16 2021, Dec 16 2021

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post Dec 17 2021, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(cucumber @ Dec 16 2021, 05:21 PM)
is this better than sam raimi's spiderman 2?
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Only if you are aware of previous spiderman movies to know about the villains. Those meme, nostalgic, fan service, you'll enjoy those moments in this movie more ,with prior Spidey movies synopsis knowledge

Avoid going to twitter or YouTube. Too many spoilers


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post Dec 17 2021, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Dec 16 2021, 09:47 PM)
Felt like they made that ending as a soft reboot and back to the classic peter (lone vigilante making ends meet) just incase if sony decided to pull spidey rights

Anyone notice Kraven the Hunter breaking through? Looks familiar with the spear
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Macam soft reboot la

Wiped the slate clean, no more connection with mcu after this

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post Dec 17 2021, 10:33 AM

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Okay I'm the sour puss gonna dunk on this movie. So after many outings as MCU's Peter Parker, there's zero character growth on Holland's Parker. He's still that annoying high schooler leading his actions via his penis. Experiencing Thanos, Mysterio's betrayal and seeing Tony's death, doesn't change his naivety at all. Dr.Strange is this movie's Dr. Macguffin and Dr.Deux Ex Machina. Conveniently he has that one spell and things for Parker to do or not do. So like any past Ironman movies, there's one thing he mustn't do at all cost and yet he does it. Again another MCU movie about correcting stupidity or mistakes. Man how many more of the tiresome same theme. As for the nostalgia bomb where "heroes" come together portion, a rather foregone conclusion how things played out. Guess I'm too desensitized with CGI orgy fest. I don't mind using it to elevate plotlines. As hollow spectacle and employing them for the sake of just using it, it's where I'm not interested. Again one note villains and Sinister Six just...is that all they can be? No point comparing this to Raimi version, Spiderman 2 is a certified modern classic. Compare this with other MCU movies instead. Gotta stop my MCU hate-watching OCD.
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QUOTE(6so @ Dec 17 2021, 10:33 AM)
Okay I'm the sour puss gonna dunk on this movie. So after many outings as MCU's Peter Parker, there's zero character growth on Holland's Parker. He's still that annoying high schooler leading his actions via his penis. Experiencing Thanos, Mysterio's betrayal and seeing Tony's death, doesn't change his naivety at all. Dr.Strange is this movie's Dr. Macguffin and Dr.Deux Ex Machina. Conveniently he has that one spell and things for Parker to do or not do. So like any past Ironman movies, there's one thing he mustn't do at all cost and yet he does it. Again another MCU movie about correcting stupidity or mistakes. Man how many more of the tiresome same theme. As for the nostalgia bomb where "heroes" come together portion, a rather foregone conclusion how things played out. Guess I'm too desensitized with CGI orgy fest. I don't mind using it to elevate plotlines. As hollow spectacle and employing them for the sake of just using it, it's where I'm not interested. Again one note villains and Sinister Six just...is that all they can be? No point comparing this to Raimi version, Spiderman 2 is a certified modern classic. Compare this with other MCU movies instead. Gotta stop my MCU hate-watching OCD.
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Not gonna deny what you say, maybe our standard of rating a good movie dropped, or simply some of us already tired of comic hero movie.

But to me, no matter how other think about the plot, im good with it. Some death scene still touch me, and the value they show still valid to me. With years of lackluster superhero movie, i would still rank this entry very high in my list
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post Dec 17 2021, 12:34 PM

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Watched it yesterday because afraid if wait then gonna be spoilers everywhere(thank god i did)

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So many moments were small nods to the other movies, and the conversation between the three before the battle was soooo fun!
The cinema I went yesterday was crazy, when they saw the 2 other spideys come out from the portals, hearing young and old people cheering.

Fav terms of movie Sam Raimi>Marc Webb>Jon Watts
Fav terms of spideys Andrew>Tobey>Tom
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post Dec 17 2021, 02:00 PM

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post Dec 17 2021, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(6so @ Dec 17 2021, 10:33 AM)
Okay I'm the sour puss gonna dunk on this movie. So after many outings as MCU's Peter Parker, there's zero character growth on Holland's Parker. He's still that annoying high schooler leading his actions via his penis. Experiencing Thanos, Mysterio's betrayal and seeing Tony's death, doesn't change his naivety at all. Dr.Strange is this movie's Dr. Macguffin and Dr.Deux Ex Machina. Conveniently he has that one spell and things for Parker to do or not do. So like any past Ironman movies, there's one thing he mustn't do at all cost and yet he does it. Again another MCU movie about correcting stupidity or mistakes. Man how many more of the tiresome same theme. As for the nostalgia bomb where "heroes" come together portion, a rather foregone conclusion how things played out. Guess I'm too desensitized with CGI orgy fest. I don't mind using it to elevate plotlines. As hollow spectacle and employing them for the sake of just using it, it's where I'm not interested. Again one note villains and Sinister Six just...is that all they can be? No point comparing this to Raimi version, Spiderman 2 is a certified modern classic. Compare this with other MCU movies instead. Gotta stop my MCU hate-watching OCD.
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I felt the same, especially the first half. But I think the story is trying to say, in order for Peter to grow, Peter needs to lose Ben or May. Because Tobey and Andrew both lost the Uncle Ben before they grew to next phase.

Nevertheless, I agree the character development for Peter is bad.
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post Dec 17 2021, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(amirinz @ Dec 17 2021, 12:34 PM)
Watched it yesterday because afraid if wait then gonna be spoilers everywhere(thank god i did)

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


So many moments were small nods to the other movies, and the conversation between the three before the battle was soooo fun!
The cinema I went yesterday was crazy, when they saw the 2 other spideys come out from the portals, hearing young and old people cheering.

Fav terms of movie Sam Raimi>Marc Webb>Jon Watts
Fav terms of spideys Andrew>Tobey>Tom
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Are you okay? *Tears in my eyes*
One thing I hated is they gave the other spidermen too little screen time. First act was too slow

Also tom holland peter did everything wrong in this film, basically film about "peter screws up, tries to fix things, end up worse" part three. The other spidermen films didn't try to rehash the same story over the course of their films

To think he'd learn after ferry and mysterio debacle

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post Dec 17 2021, 04:28 PM

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I enjoyed Far From Home compared to the latest movie.

Something was missing to me.
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post Dec 17 2021, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(6so @ Dec 17 2021, 10:33 AM)
Okay I'm the sour puss gonna dunk on this movie. So after many outings as MCU's Peter Parker, there's zero character growth on Holland's Parker. He's still that annoying high schooler leading his actions via his penis. Experiencing Thanos, Mysterio's betrayal and seeing Tony's death, doesn't change his naivety at all. Dr.Strange is this movie's Dr. Macguffin and Dr.Deux Ex Machina. Conveniently he has that one spell and things for Parker to do or not do. So like any past Ironman movies, there's one thing he mustn't do at all cost and yet he does it. Again another MCU movie about correcting stupidity or mistakes. Man how many more of the tiresome same theme. As for the nostalgia bomb where "heroes" come together portion, a rather foregone conclusion how things played out. Guess I'm too desensitized with CGI orgy fest. I don't mind using it to elevate plotlines. As hollow spectacle and employing them for the sake of just using it, it's where I'm not interested. Again one note villains and Sinister Six just...is that all they can be? No point comparing this to Raimi version, Spiderman 2 is a certified modern classic. Compare this with other MCU movies instead. Gotta stop my MCU hate-watching OCD.
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I think Aunt May deserves her demise. Why? Peter wanted to send the villains back but she just had to moral high ground into making Peter help them further right? SJW gets what she deserved I guess.

But I dont understand why you hate on Strange. He’s fine. He exmachinaed nth. When things go wrong he seeks for solution one step at a time. Ex/machina would be if Strange just propose the last spell right after the first one failed.

As for that Peter with 0 character growth, I guess that’s true. After Mysterio’s event and losing Stark, he still wants to meddle with a spell that tamper with the memory of everyone (though he was not warned about the multiversal consequence). And he does not know better than to follow Aunt May’s advice, so yes he has it coming.

But if Spider-Man is as cold blooded rational as we are then he’s not Spider-Man anymore is he?

If your grandma falls from a building I won’t risk my life to save her. I bet you wouldn’t save mine either. But Spider-Man would. That’s the diff between us and Spiderman


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post Dec 17 2021, 05:51 PM

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Ok, cherrypicking the plot holes aside, I give this movie a solid 9 because of the theme it explores. It is definitely on par with Endgame.

It resonates with someone who is growing up.

1. Conflict of identities
It’s never possible to live a double life and be truly happy. Growing up there are times when we gotta choose who we are, and at times we tell ourselves if we’re not sure then why not choose both?

Peter learned this the hard way, and it reflects in his final decision in the end of the movie. If he chooses Spider-Man, he sacrifices everybody else, otherwise everyone else sacrifices for him.

2. People who want too much ends up with nothing
A part of growing up is about making choices on the goals we want to achieve. When you ask for too much, you end up getting nothing at all.

Peter’s idea of college is far too optimistic. MJ’s idea of “expecting disappointment” is what rooting us as audience to the reality. The theme shows again when Peter wants to not only send the villains back, but also cure them. In the end he was successful in doing so, but with too huge an expense.

3. Dealing with Loss
As we grow up, we win some, we lose some. Sometimes the loss is too heavy to bear. The takeaway is you gotta pick yourself up, not succumbing to negative emotions like rage, remorse, and most certainly not be vengeful.

When we expect Peter to read his letter to MJ, he didn’t. Dealing with loss, he decides to be the final bearer of the pain and not propagate the pain further. In today’s society where everyone expects gratification and justice, this is an important lesson to know that sometimes, it is better to just accept the loss than to appeal it.

The movie is basically Adulting 101. Hence, adults dont fathom Peter’s choices; the kids felt so emotional at Peter’s losses; and the in-betweeners feel torn and the pain resonates so well.
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QUOTE(agoodlistener @ Dec 17 2021, 06:09 PM)
I think Aunt May deserves her demise. Why? Peter wanted to send the villains back but she just had to moral high ground into making Peter help them further right? SJW gets what she deserved I guess.

But I dont understand why you hate on Strange. He’s fine. He exmachinaed nth. When things go wrong he seeks for solution one step at a time. Ex/machina would be if Strange just propose the last spell right after the first one failed.

As for that Peter with 0 character growth, I guess that’s true. After Mysterio’s event and losing Stark, he still wants to meddle with a spell that tamper with the memory of everyone (though he was not warned about the multiversal consequence). And he does not know better than to follow Aunt May’s advice, so yes he has it coming.

But if Spider-Man is as cold blooded rational as we are then he’s not Spider-Man anymore is he?

If your grandma falls from a building I won’t risk my life to save her. I bet you wouldn’t save mine either. But Spider-Man would. That’s the diff between us and Spiderman
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Err...erm....sigh! That's your opinion, man! I have zero sway on how you watch and enjoy your movie. Likewise it's not my business to debate you. Awesome you like the movie, you can't impose your thoughts on other people's opinion. Also don't mistake my post is to please your confirmation bias. I'm not that dude!

It's a freaking movie, either you are indifferent, love or hate over it. No need to tell me why I'm wrong in my assessment.
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This movie really proves Andrew Garfield is a talented, scene-grabbing actor.

He was royally wasted by the bad scripts of the ASM series.

Sigh Sony Columbia is just terrible.

BTW I like how low-key Tobey is. He happy to step back and let the two Spideys makan the screen.
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Hi guys, I have a movie ticket for Spiderman at the Gardens today at 12.45pm. Anyone interested?
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QUOTE(Mov_freak @ Dec 16 2021, 08:48 PM)
Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021)

I braved the cinema (again).

And for what?

For you kiddies, for you...

This is Tom Holland's most Spidey movie to date.

Not that it ignore the MCU, far from it and have to add, Spiderman storyline tend to reflect the hardship everyday life and this have that is spades (bring tissues folks, Trust me, bring tissues).

Storyline wise, we really do not know what is going to happen to Spidey's outing in MCU (eg Sony and Marvel's co-operation contract ends with this movie (or does it)?

From a storyline point of view they left it quite open ended so if the power that be decides more is required (eg why kill a golden goose), they can
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The storyline even resolves some "issues" from Tobey and Andrew's Spiderman movies.

They multi tasked like crazy here... laugh.gif

This movie will make a tonne of money. No doubt.

If that happens the sky is the limit for Spiderman materials in multiple shape and form.

There are two short clips in the end credit, the second right at the end is substantial.

I enjoyed this movie immensely.

I did not have excess to an IMAX cinema at this point in time (I currently live in Sleepy Hollow)

I would have choose to watch this in IMAX is that was available to me.

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Dec 18 2021, 11:41 AM)
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You are too kind.

Well, The Matrix 4 and Kingsman to go for 2021...
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post Dec 20 2021, 09:11 AM

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I thoroughly enjoy this movie, should really watch it before it gets spoiled (too late I think) hahahah
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Dec 20 2021, 09:11 AM)
I thoroughly enjoy this movie, should really watch it before it gets spoiled (too late I think) hahahah
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Haha just stay away from socials and youtube can already

Even spoiler videos with spoiler thumbnails are more deadly than just youtube comments already

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post Dec 20 2021, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(hybr1d3d @ Dec 17 2021, 12:30 PM)
Not gonna deny what you say, maybe our standard of rating a good movie dropped, or simply some of us already tired of comic hero movie.
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Never underestimate the effectiveness of Disney's marketing power. Before MCU, children are conditioned on their 2d cartoons. Then they have the Disney princesses for adolescence crowd. Next they have Pixar, that targets their core PG13 market. MCU has been brainwashing nerds how to react to what a superhero movie suppose to be. Also we are wired differently, I have few decades of comic books collecting experience. You don't just read Marvel books because they are cool. The artist and writers is a big reason why you're reading them. When Alan Moore revolutionised the comic book medium, it's not just a children pastime hobby anymore. Now all the cutting edge and meaningful good stuffs are not in the Marvel branding. Then again it's nothing wrong if you like Marvel's IP, just wish they don't rehash the formula in making their movies. There's more than one way to skin a cat, just saying.

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Dec 20 2021, 11:59 AM)
Haha just stay away from socials and youtube can already

Even spoiler videos with spoiler thumbnails are more deadly than just youtube comments already

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I only dare read movfreak review last week, then dont dare masuk this thread dy hahahha
lucky I only came in today...... blush.gif

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