hey,guys.

just wanna ask.what do u know/think of politeknik?
is architecture course there good?

just wanna know.heheh!! cz i rarely hear bout poli.

Don't think so. Politek's quality has always been notorious.

politeknik provides basic training to the point of being a technical assistant. they are not part 1, just a level below it.

in poly (what we usually call them), u will be trained all the basic skills needed of becoming an architect, but without the applied skills. for example, architects need to be able to draw - poly teaches u all the drawing skills u need. not just basic drawing skills, mind u, but includes advanced draftmanship that most architecture school couldnt fit into the tight syllabus.

there are design elements, but it's not being stressed. poly teaches u all the necessary skills as a technician - the person who helps the architect to translate his sketches into a proper construction drawing.

why isnt it popular?

bcoz it's not a design school.

graduating with a polytechnic diploma (3 years) will usually allow u to skip pre-U and 1st year of any part 1 degree. means:

3 years poly dip + 2 years part 1 + 2 years part 2

what can u do with poly dip?

u can immediately work as a draftperson in virtually any design/built environment firms. this includes architecture, landscape, ID, planning as well as engineering. since u have some basic knowledge in building technicalities, u can work as a technical assistant to the architect as well.

my impression of poly grads in continuing education

some poly students that i've had opportunities to study with are extremely good students. the intake is not that many, but they apparently selected the best. remember, at the time where i just finished 1st year, they've had 3 years experience in draftmanship and other technical skills. any students of architecture will have a hard time competing with them in education.

i. they can draw 3-4 times faster than u
ii. they've already had a vast visual dictionary
iii. they work like robots, non-stop
iv. they're more mature
v. when they go after the girls, it's for settling down. somehow girls find that VERY attractive.



it takes longer. so what? remember, poly is government funded, and not many people apply there. if u couldnt find a place that u can afford, give poly a try. after 3 years training in poly, doing architecture part 1 and 2 is a walk in the park. why? bcoz while other students in part 1 and 2 are struggling to learn how to draw, u've already mastered the skills

thnks for the long reply,azarimy

is there any difference between studying diploma in archi at poly and diploma in archi at other skuls (IPTA or IPTS)??

if poly graduates can skip pre-U and 1st year of any part 1 degree,is this a disadvantage compare to other design skuls? Not very clear about being able to skip 1st year of part 1 degree.in what condition does a person need to go trough 1st year part 1 degree? matrix graduates?

so,job opportunities for poly graduates and other skuls ones differs,is it?as to poly not awarded with part 1?

thnks!

like i've said before, the main difference is that poly is not a design school. architecture is not just about drawing. drawing is a means to communicate the idea in ur head into reality. some people communicate by drawing, some by talking, some by writing. poly is a school where it teaches u how to put that idea in ur head into drawing. but they dont teach u what and how to develop an idea.

a part 1 holder is basically an architect assistant. they are competent enough to handle a design but lacks specific knowledge in handling clients, law, regulations, built environment issues etc. they can design, but not much else.

the main advantage for a poly diploma holder is not time. it's the small intake quota. the jump into 2nd year is not something commonly allowed by each schools. for UTM, the intake is usually between 6-10 students out of 30-50 applicants annualy. other schools are usually lesser.



ALL students initiating architecture for the first time in their life MUST go through 1st year. u can never skip first year for architecture, coz u will not have the skills or mental capabilities to handle future studies.

for the poly diploma, look at it this way: they've spent 3 years studying what u study in 1st year.

oh,ok! understood!

im asking dis cause i didnt get the chance to go for the utm n uitm's interviews.huhu.. I also applied for archi at poly and received bad feedbacks from family and friends.but,all they excuses were 'i heard..' or 'people say that poly..'. better i do some research on it rather than believing them without facts.

neway,is there any part-time interior design/graphic design course?
jz asking.so little archi skuls,so little chance of getting offers.
im still deciding whether to take archi or chem eng.

thought of taking chem eng and mayB can also do interior design or graphic design in da future. just kinda blur how to get to that point.

i hav had first hand experience of working wif poly students and i can simply say they are the realist of the architecture students. They first figure out construction and its feasibility. wat they lack in design they make up for it wif sound construction knowledge, impressive drawings and the depth of understanding in their drawings. having worked before, they have an impressive and good knowledge of the construction industry in da real life.

Their numbers are not a lot in our school but if they are in, they are the best. Hardworking and willing to work long hours day n nite r one of their trademarks.

One of da poly student who entered my batch currently is now 28 years old while im 23. to us, they r 5 yrs older, but to them, its 5 yrs worth more of technical knowhow.

i'd like to know what were the "bad points" about studying at poly that people always talk about? here's what i know:

i. studying architecture will take longer - well yeah. but it's cheap and the whole 3 years training is absolutely crucial to make degree learning a walk in the park.

ii. it's a malay dominated environment - mind u, it's not bcoz of a quota or restriction. chinese are known to take the shorter route and would always avoid taking the long path, especially one that doest guarantee a place in degree, unless u're really, really good.

iii. most that joined poly are bottom scorers - fair enough. but any of u remember that 2ndary school only focuses on one type of learning - memorizing? poly is more practical, problem solving, pragmatic kind of learning. stuff where u learn little theory, but more application.

iv. poor learning environment - most of it is true. the facilities are pretty basic. poly have limited resource from the ministry, but if u can get into one of the newer schools like the one in sabak bernam (about 5 minutes drive from my grandma's house), u'll see that it's quite advanced.




these are the stuff that's on top of my head. u add more teduck, i'll try to reason out why.

haha, im like this case, but im not in malaysia..im doing it in aussie..
it does sound same what we study, yeah...at the end of the day im looking for those 5 point azarimy ..
and also the architecture degree after...
i belief most people have degree at the end or master,tho better be in par standard so as the knowledge varies on individual, beside...stuck forever as draftperson will bring no future and income..
it depend where one person specialise in..


This post has been edited by KVReninem: Apr 9 2007, 10:35 PM

well, people around me keep stressing on the 3rd and the 4th.

of course,when a skul is recognized for 'bottom scorers',people tend to avoid the "label"..like,"listen,ur not that dumb to be furthering ur study in poly."huhuh..
such discrimination

but,to me,anywhere u study,ipta/ipts/oversea, all that REALLY matters is ur effort and determination.getting into better skul just helps u to boost ur study <<--in my opinion

yeahh..poor learning environment.keep hearing that too.does it really interfere with our study process?i wonder..

azarimy,when u mentioned quota, doest it mean only top scorers (the best from others) will get the place due to small quota??

study anything, at the end of the day you wont be doing what u had studied..

it really depends on the person,wont it??

heheh!!!



This post has been edited by *TeDucK*: Apr 9 2007, 11:03 PM

in my opinion, we can blame those provider for such poor facility etc etc...
i would just go leverage and adapt as to learn how can you draw with less equipment, because we are in 21 century, it isnt a problem when there is computer to handle..

study process is depend on individual, how fast one want to go..

haha!!yup!agree with u,KVreninem!

yeah..i think the whole 'poor learning environment' would be a serious issue for engineering courses. imagine sharing an engine with 3 4 people

but,as i think back,what equipments does an architecture student needs during study?
pencils,papers,drawing tools and..yes..own laptop!!!hahah!

of course depends on a person, but the situation he/she in will effect the decision

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Added on April 9, 2007, 10:47 pmactually a those drawing stuff good enuf, with laptop and big engine inside like core2duo..everything shud be way better..
so less equipment use in making a model, design is the where one can learn to leverage...

This post has been edited by KVReninem: Apr 9 2007, 10:47 PM

for UTM to consider poly students, they hav to be of exceptional standards and have substantial amount of working experience/resume.

So dun expect to join local unis right after ur poly Diploma. prob 2 years or more after that.

Poly diplomas can expect to join UTM's 3rd year of the 5 year program. Means 3 more years to a Part 2 B. Arch.

I'm rejected also.
Sigh~
Well, my pointer is 3.75. I guess the competition is very stiff this year...
BTW, how can we check whether we are called up for interview for other universities? Like USM? 'Cos I also apply for Senibina USM...

nonono... impossible. i guess their database still haven't updated. u shud check a few days b4 the said interview date.

well, poly is relatively a school. if u could study in the typical public schools in malaysia, u wont have much too look forward to

well, there's a limited space. sometimes students didnt make it from 1st year to 2nd year and flunked out. numbers differ each year, hence i said there's no actual quota. it entirely depends on how many available spaces are there, and ofcourse, with very limited number of places to fill, the best students are bound to be selected!

u sure 3rd year? it was 3rd when it was a 6 year programme. when it was shortened, it went down to 2nd year. can u ask the KJ about this?

i was told that this year it's a little different. UPU gave us two list: one to be called for the interview, another for direct intake.

i'm currently looking into this matter.

UTM diplomas usually go straight to highrise/housing whereas poly diplomas have to repeat one semester of 3rd year.

So im pretty sure. Besides thats where I joined. Repeated my 3rd yr 1st sem last semester. Only this sem doing housing. Next sem highrise. There was an interview conducted few weeks ago for post Diploma Degree intake. I believe da successful candidates will join next sem 3rd year students.

But if u insist, i can always ask Dr Amin for further clarifications.