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English Clubs Chelsea FC - The Shed V40, EFL Cup - Chelsea 3 - 2 Bristol Rovers

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briantwj
post Mar 20 2016, 01:07 AM

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That cross field long ball that he played for Iva. Just no. shakehead.gif
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post Mar 20 2016, 01:07 AM

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Defence was horrible, but Courtios doesn't really seems convincing either for this season.
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post Mar 20 2016, 01:12 AM

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Equaliser was down to oscar giving away the ball and west ham broke with speed. Yep poor marking from Iva and courtois can't even catch a cold these days.

But it all started from that one mistake. I'm going to be highly critical of oscar as he's been horrible,arguably from day one. Gets on my nerves when players with room to GROW and DEVELOP such as kenedy and RLC are kept out because good ol' oscar somehow casts this great illusion of being great which has worked on mourinho and now,guus.

Baffling. Can't get my head around it really. MOTM fabregas,by a country mile. The others...haih.
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post Mar 20 2016, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(ywliang96 @ Mar 20 2016, 01:07 AM)
Defence was horrible, but Courtios doesn't really seems convincing either for this season.
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Too many chop and changes to the defensive line.

Started the season with Azpi, JT, Cahill, Iva. Then JT + Cahil partnership not working, turn to Zouma + JT. Then JT injured, Zouma + Cahill. Then Zouma injured, bcum Iva + Cahill. Now move back to JT + Cahill. sweat.gif

Look at last season. JT + Cahill thru out.

And also Courtois game time with the team is less this season, due to his injury mid season. Bego played quite a lot of match.

Miss the old golden triangle. Cech, JT, Carvalho.

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post Mar 20 2016, 01:14 AM

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about time to start RLC, Kenedy and Traore together..
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post Mar 20 2016, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(Kerplunk @ Mar 20 2016, 01:03 AM)
Like I said don't get your panties in a twist. It's all good if you're a fan of the old and outdated school of late subs for players who were useless for 99% of the game. But I'm not.

'better late than never' in your opinion. All I see is a coach who's afraid to take risks in what's left of a season with NOTHING to fight for. RLC should've started or at least oscar should've been nowhere near the squad.

Undeserved favoritism for players such as ivanovic,matic,etc is what got us to this position in the first place so yes I'm not a fan of players being in the first 11 based on reputation alone.

Go enjoy whatever team you're supporting mate. Why stress yourself reading a thread of mostly frustrated fans this season? laugh.gif
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No like I said. Decision to bring him on as a sub has no relevance to the decision to not start him. Completely different cases here. I'm not disagreeing with you that he should have started the game instead of Oscar. You questioned the decision/point of bringing him on yet it was immediately justified. The criticism should not have been "what's the point of bringing him on" because the point is to rectify the mistake you just mentioned, that he should have started but it doesn't mean the substitution is wrong, just that the mistake of not starting him shouldn't have been made in the first place.

Note that I'm in complete agreement that Oscar is overrated and shouldn't have started. A "lazy" Mata would still have been more productive than Oscar's overall output. Remember there was a time people thought Oscar>Coutinho?

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post Mar 20 2016, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(Ichighost @ Mar 20 2016, 01:14 AM)
about time to start RLC, Kenedy and Traore together..
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This will happen if Pocchettino is our manager.
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post Mar 20 2016, 01:26 AM

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I think vs Vila can deploy more youngsters
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post Mar 20 2016, 01:45 AM

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QUOTE(briantwj @ Mar 20 2016, 01:12 AM)
Too many chop and changes to the defensive line.

Started the season with Azpi, JT, Cahill, Iva. Then JT + Cahil partnership not working, turn to Zouma + JT. Then JT injured, Zouma + Cahill. Then Zouma injured, bcum Iva + Cahill. Now move back to JT + Cahill.  sweat.gif 

Look at last season. JT + Cahill thru out.

And also Courtois game time with the team is less this season, due to his injury mid season. Bego played quite a lot of match.

Miss the old golden triangle. Cech, JT, Carvalho.
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no choice also. injury has hit out defense line pretty hard this season, esp when Zouma got a serious injury. he is our fastest CB.
JT + Zouma pairing is still the best, 1 focus on leading and positioning, the other focus on physical and speed. Courtious also not doing well this season, but defense always gotta look at the unit as a whole. not commanding enough as well for Courtios.
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QUOTE(Ichighost @ Mar 20 2016, 01:14 AM)
about time to start RLC, Kenedy and Traore together..
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post Mar 20 2016, 10:50 AM

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Cesc save us. On of the few fighters left in the club.
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post Mar 20 2016, 11:26 AM

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Really impressed with Chelsea performance today

Cesc Fabregas Man of the match for scoring 2 goals...
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Defence: gotta sort out Rb/Lb. Jt n Cahill is ok, since when Zouma comes back will be rotated again anyway. And is it just me or does Azpi look better at LB than RB recently? πŸ˜“
Mid: Fabulous from Fab, RLC needs matches and an identity, Mikel is ok, Willian needs to rest and refresh, y is oscar still playing???
Att: What happened to our strikers? We supposed to have Costa, Remy, Falcao, Traore, Pato. But without Costa our att MIA. Only once or twice Remy/Traore was in central striking position. Most of the time no attacking focal point
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post Mar 20 2016, 12:55 PM

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Can we just end the season and start discussing bout Conte and next season? laugh.gif If Conte is to use back his favourite 352. I prefer something like this.

-----------------Courtois---------------------
-------Zouma-----JT---------Iva/Cahill----
Azpi---------------------------Rahman/Kennedy
-------------------Fab------------------------
------RLC/Matic-------Willian/Oscar--------
-----------Costa-----Traore/new striker---

Fab will play Pirlo's role as deep lying playmaker. RLC and Willian will play Pogba and Marchisio's role as the dynamic midfielder to support the midfield offensively and defensively. And buy a new striker! tongue.gif
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Get rid of Oscar pls
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post Mar 20 2016, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Mar 20 2016, 01:16 AM)
No like I said. Decision to bring him on as a sub has no relevance to the decision to not start him. Completely different cases here. I'm not disagreeing with you that he should have started the game instead of Oscar. You questioned the decision/point of bringing him on yet it was immediately justified. The criticism should not have been "what's the point of bringing him on" because the point is to rectify the mistake you just mentioned, that he should have started but it doesn't mean the substitution is wrong, just that the mistake of not starting him shouldn't have been made in the first place.

Note that I'm in complete agreement that Oscar is overrated and shouldn't have started. A "lazy" Mata would still have been more productive than Oscar's overall output. Remember there was a time people thought Oscar>Coutinho?
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Hmm okay yep u do have a point. Guess the utter frustration of watching chelsea (specifically oscar) makes me post some weird stuff sometimes. Apologies bro.

I guess I just wish RLC started and we might even have won the match,as exhibited by his dangerous runs into the box. He made 2 good attacking runs/movements,one resulted in a (debatable) penalty and the other left him with an unmarked shot in the box. That was within a space of 10 minutes,imagine if he got 45 or 90. But as always these things are subjective,he might've got 90 minutes and still have an atrocious game.

Yes Guus tried to rectify that mistake..but man he took his time doing it. The biggest consolation is it did have an impact (hence it wasn't pointless, as you said) , and hopefully he trusts him enough to give him more playing time.

p s: oscar must be an absolute beast in training,that's my only theory so far. Well I'd rather have kevin de bruyne who doesn't train as 'hard' (as infamously claimed by jose) but brings his A game during matchday. Enough of players who flatter to deceive, and I hope conte realises oscar's true 'ability' really soon.(preferably when the transfer window's still open)
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post Mar 20 2016, 03:57 PM

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Courtios is absolute not convincing at all this season. The two goals he leaked might be the cause of defender's mistake, but if that's Cech in between the post, he would've saved it.

Remy put on weight, he seem to have given up hope to stay in Chelsea. It's our fault for not giving more chance to him. Ba and Remy.

Seem like most of players in Chelsea squad are just playing for the sake of playing. No urge on winning like how we used to.
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QUOTE(Belphegor @ Mar 20 2016, 03:57 PM)
Courtios is absolute not convincing at all this season. The two goals he leaked might be the cause of defender's mistake, but if that's Cech in between the post, he would've saved it.

Remy put on weight, he seem to have given up hope to stay in Chelsea. It's our fault for  not giving more chance to him. Ba and Remy.

Seem like most of players in Chelsea squad are just playing for the sake of playing. No urge on winning like how we used to.
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not convincing but still acceptable for me. i'd rather blame our defensive team. HORRIBLE
kotua was seriously injured earlier this season. to have him back is good alrd since it will boost his confidence.
our defenders...omg ...so many mistakes.

remember how we praised begovic as our motm week in week out despite leaking so many goals earlier this season..

both goals yesterday (kotua full stretch edi..can see slow mo)
& how the hell it was courtois fault when payet can easily slot that pass to caroll? it was realllllllllllllll easy for payet
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Each match have scapegoat to blame sweat.gif

Just thank Fab for his goals and thank goodness we aren't fighting relegation anymore. Thanks for the drawsss.

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