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post Mar 10 2016, 11:59 AM, updated 10y ago

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ford focus sos


Next, we finally get to the car’s drivetrain and powertrain, both of which are new to the Focus – as mentioned earlier, the 2.0 litre Duratec 20 normally-aspirated Ti-VCT GDI engine has been replaced in markets across the entire APA region by a blown Sigma-derived mill, the EcoBoost 15.

The Romanian-assembled 1.5 litre GTDI four-pot, essentially a variation of the 1.6 EcoBoost, trumps the 2.0 NA in terms of output, with 180 PS at 6,000 rpm and 240 Nm at 1,600 to 5,000 rpm compared to the old unit’s 170 hp at 6.500 rpm and 202 Nm at 4,550 rpm.

As for the transmission, the Getrag 6DCT250 dry-clutch six-speeder has been replaced by a torque converter automatic, in this case the SelectShift 6F35. Designed in collaboration with GM more than a decade ago, the six-speed unit can also be seen in its mid-range application on the C520 Kuga, CD539E S-Max and the facelifted CD391 Mondeo sedan.

C346 Focus FL Hatch MY-17 C346 Focus FL Hatch MY-33
Interestingly, in the case of the Sport+ and Titanium+, the gearshift is also new, with the toy-ish gearknob manual override SelectShift buttons seen previously nowhere to be found – the reason for this is the inclusion of steering-mounted paddle shifters on the two models.

A total of six exterior colours are available for the Focus in Malaysia, with Frozen White the only common choice across the model range. Panther Black and Candy Red are available only for the two hatchbacks, while Winning Blue can only be had with the Sport+. The sedan, meanwhile, gets two colours that are unique to it – Ingot Silver and Magnetic.

Finally, pricing. The Ford Focus 1.5L EcoBoost is priced at RM118,888 for the Trend, while the Sport+ and the Titanium+ sedan are priced at RM139,888, on-the-road with insurance.


what do ya think about this?

quite interesting Dares
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post Mar 10 2016, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(silverfoxxy @ Mar 10 2016, 11:59 AM)
<a href='http://<link removed>/2016/03/10/c346-ford-focus-facelift-launched-in-malaysia-trend-sport-hatch-and-titanium-sedan-from-rm119k/' target='_blank'>ford focus sos</a>
Next, we finally get to the car’s drivetrain and powertrain, both of which are new to the Focus – as mentioned earlier, the 2.0 litre Duratec 20 normally-aspirated Ti-VCT GDI engine has been replaced in markets across the entire APA region by a blown Sigma-derived mill, the EcoBoost 15.

The Romanian-assembled 1.5 litre GTDI four-pot, essentially a variation of the 1.6 EcoBoost, trumps the 2.0 NA in terms of output, with 180 PS at 6,000 rpm and 240 Nm at 1,600 to 5,000 rpm compared to the old unit’s 170 hp at 6.500 rpm and 202 Nm at 4,550 rpm.

As for the transmission, the Getrag 6DCT250 dry-clutch six-speeder has been replaced by a torque converter automatic, in this case the SelectShift 6F35. Designed in collaboration with GM more than a decade ago, the six-speed unit can also be seen in its mid-range application on the C520 Kuga, CD539E S-Max and the facelifted CD391 Mondeo sedan.

C346 Focus FL Hatch MY-17 C346 Focus FL Hatch MY-33
Interestingly, in the case of the Sport+ and Titanium+, the gearshift is also new, with the toy-ish gearknob manual override SelectShift buttons seen previously nowhere to be found – the reason for this is the inclusion of steering-mounted paddle shifters on the two models.

A total of six exterior colours are available for the Focus in Malaysia, with Frozen White the only common choice across the model range. Panther Black and Candy Red are available only for the two hatchbacks, while Winning Blue can only be had with the Sport+. The sedan, meanwhile, gets two colours that are unique to it – Ingot Silver and Magnetic.

Finally, pricing. The Ford Focus 1.5L EcoBoost is priced at RM118,888 for the Trend, while the Sport+ and the Titanium+ sedan are priced at RM139,888, on-the-road with insurance.
what do ya think about this?

quite interesting Dares
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read about it in paultan's blog and i can say its one of the best move to replace the gb and engine - more so on the gb. However, the price is pretty or even very steep for a focus. Could get the popular brand with lower cash entry.


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post Mar 10 2016, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(subaru555 @ Mar 10 2016, 12:24 PM)
read about it in paultan's blog and i can say its one of the best move to replace the gb and engine - more so on the gb. However, the price is pretty or even very steep for a focus. Could get the popular brand with lower cash entry.
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compared to previously 128k for a 2.0 duratec with slightly problem powershift, this is already up by 10%. comparable pricing with D-seg honda civic already... or even a recond c-class

but alteast ford is willingly to solve the issue and bring in more ecoboost
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post Mar 10 2016, 01:01 PM

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I never sit in any 2.0 focus before
but on paper 170ps and now 1.5 ecoboost 180ps is fast

how does it fare against jetta 1.4 tsi which i consider its fast on road?

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post Mar 10 2016, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(BrokeBack @ Mar 10 2016, 01:01 PM)
I never sit in any 2.0 focus before
but on paper 170ps and now 1.5 ecoboost 180ps is fast

how does it fare against jetta 1.4 tsi which i consider its fast on road?
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comparable. i once sit on a fofo 2.0 ramp till 200kmh and can still going up.

down side is jetta got paddle shift fofo 2.0 dont have
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The Ford Focus 1.5L EcoBoost is priced at RM118,888 is so good and at first i guess it might need up to 12xk.
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I'd say priced well, I drove a Fiesta for almost a year and it lived up to its expectations, I'm actually really excited for the new Focus.

With the new Focus scrapping out the troublesome GB, it's a good buy
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post Mar 10 2016, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(Apple_DarreN @ Mar 10 2016, 01:48 PM)
I'd say priced well, I drove a Fiesta for almost a year and it lived up to its expectations, I'm actually really excited for the new Focus.

With the new Focus scrapping out the troublesome GB, it's a good buy
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yours are 1.6 / 1.5 / 1.0?

i expected it will be 130k range when i heard the news in thailand but still ok for me flex.gif
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i think it's priced well. biggest selling point is the engine. i would be more willing to go for the cheapest option, shame that it only has 2airbags, 4would be acceptable

having sat and driven my bro's current fofo, is really a driver's car. great predictable handling and easily whacks up to 160kmph, so i could imagine the new ecoboost would be screamer

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QUOTE(silverfoxxy @ Mar 10 2016, 01:50 PM)
yours are 1.6 / 1.5 / 1.0?

i expected it will be 130k range when i heard the news in thailand but still ok for me flex.gif
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1.6, first batch 2010 IIRC

Price wise for the Focus is not too bad but they did take out quite an amount of features.
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post Mar 10 2016, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(Apple_DarreN @ Mar 10 2016, 01:51 PM)
1.6, first batch 2010 IIRC

Price wise for the Focus is not too bad but they did take out quite an amount of features.
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lol... the first i heard its the most problematic batch lol...

i test driven all kinds of fiesta and i most like is the 1.0 & ST although i always get in the wrong gear doh.gif

ecoboost FTW icon_idea.gif

looking forward for the new launch campaign for fofo thumbup.gif
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post Mar 10 2016, 02:30 PM

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i waitng for fl focus ST..current focus ST is out of stock already..rm30k discount is really tempting
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post Mar 10 2016, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(gahpadu @ Mar 10 2016, 02:30 PM)
i waitng for fl focus ST..current focus ST is out of stock already..rm30k discount is really tempting
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i dont think FL focus ST will coming in that short... atleast not this year perhaps? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(silverfoxxy @ Mar 10 2016, 02:32 PM)
i dont think FL focus ST will coming in that short... atleast not this year perhaps? hmm.gif
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post Mar 10 2016, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(gahpadu @ Mar 10 2016, 02:43 PM)
ic.. i need ride since my tdci totalled.
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down grade alitle to fiesta ST instead? thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(silverfoxxy @ Mar 10 2016, 02:53 PM)
down grade alitle to fiesta ST instead?  thumbup.gif
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if it comes with 4 doors
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post Mar 10 2016, 03:10 PM

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when can test drive? federal auto got?
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post Mar 10 2016, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(yarusaru @ Mar 10 2016, 03:10 PM)
when can test drive? federal auto got?
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You mean the PJ branch? i think havent got launch campaign yet.

QUOTE(gahpadu @ Mar 10 2016, 03:06 PM)
if it comes with 4  doors
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erkk... you urgently need a car eh? it seems not urgent lol
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somebody called ?

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post Mar 10 2016, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Mar 10 2016, 03:21 PM)
somebody called ?

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blue hnngghh

grey nahhh
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QUOTE(silverfoxxy @ Mar 10 2016, 03:23 PM)
blue hnngghh

grey nahhh
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i like the blue too, grey boleh lah
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post Mar 10 2016, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Mar 10 2016, 03:24 PM)
i like the blue too, grey boleh lah
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blue is their signature colour ma... red i can accept also brows.gif
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QUOTE(silverfoxxy @ Mar 10 2016, 03:29 PM)
blue is their signature colour ma... red i can accept also  brows.gif
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not the race red, that's just flat red

the normal focus red is good
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Mar 10 2016, 03:30 PM)
not the race red, that's just flat red

the normal focus red is good
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the current 1 is what chili red a? on fiesta that 1 is nice thumbup.gif

blue still goes first rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(silverfoxxy @ Mar 10 2016, 03:33 PM)
the current 1 is what chili red a? on fiesta that 1 is nice  thumbup.gif

blue still goes first  rclxm9.gif
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yeah this one

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post Mar 10 2016, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Mar 10 2016, 03:34 PM)
yeah this one

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yea this is sharp but too attractive attention. prefer colour that dont attract too much attention blush.gif
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post Mar 10 2016, 03:50 PM

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Hmm 139k....I was expecting Jetta price at most. RM139k won't do it for me, gonna wait for year end discount.
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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 10 2016, 03:50 PM)
Hmm 139k....I was expecting Jetta price at most. RM139k won't do it for me, gonna wait for year end discount.
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yo finally show up! hahaha

bila want go test drive remember jio me aaa brows.gif
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QUOTE(silverfoxxy @ Mar 10 2016, 03:59 PM)
yo finally show up! hahaha

bila want go test drive remember jio me aaa  brows.gif
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siape lu? unsure.gif
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QUOTE(silverfoxxy @ Mar 10 2016, 12:30 PM)
compared to previously 128k for a 2.0 duratec with slightly problem powershift, this is already up by 10%. comparable pricing with D-seg honda civic already... or even a recond c-class

but alteast ford is willingly to solve the issue and bring in more ecoboost
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civic is a c seg sedan, albeit a very large c seg.
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QUOTE(JunJun04035 @ Mar 10 2016, 04:04 PM)
civic is a c seg sedan, albeit a very large c seg.
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oh c-seg a?... i dont like new civic except the 2015 type R since the original designer passed away and his last design was the 2010 model
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QUOTE(silverfoxxy @ Mar 10 2016, 03:19 PM)
You mean the PJ branch? i think havent got launch campaign yet.
erkk... you urgently need a car eh? it seems not urgent lol
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damansara out soft launch this saturday..can test drive..check out their fb


not so urgent. conti car only best value to buy during promo or clearing sale

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post Mar 10 2016, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(gahpadu @ Mar 10 2016, 04:16 PM)
damansara out soft launch this saturday..can test drive..check out their fb
not so urgent. conti car only best value to buy during promo or clearing sale
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i dont found any news about it... mind spoonfeeding? rclxs0.gif
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QUOTE(silverfoxxy @ Mar 10 2016, 02:22 PM)
lol... the first i heard its the most problematic batch lol...

i test driven all kinds of fiesta and i most like is the 1.0 & ST although i always get in the wrong gear  doh.gif

ecoboost FTW icon_idea.gif

looking forward for the new launch campaign for fofo  thumbup.gif
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Hmm, so far no problem much at all, but perhaps we don't drive much with it. Clocked only at about 80k which is really little considering its a 5 yo+ car.

The GB now has a little problem where it doesn't know which gear to shift into sometimes.

Other than that and the clunking sound when you're turning the steering
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QUOTE(silverfoxxy @ Mar 10 2016, 04:28 PM)
i dont found any news about it... mind spoonfeeding?  rclxs0.gif
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check Ford Damansara fb
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QUOTE(gahpadu @ Mar 10 2016, 04:38 PM)
check Ford Damansara fb
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ah nevermind... i just called a unker at ford pj and he told me tonight is a media launch & i already booked a test drive for saturday rclxs0.gif
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i am interested with the high spec too but kinda letdown with the halogen headlamp

with this new gb, will it reduce the performance slightly?
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QUOTE(silverfoxxy @ Mar 10 2016, 04:42 PM)
ah nevermind... i just called a unker at ford pj and he told me tonight is a media launch & i already booked a test drive for saturday  rclxs0.gif
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later share the experience with us... i not time to test drive until end of next month
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Mar 10 2016, 04:45 PM)
i am interested with the high spec too but kinda letdown with the halogen headlamp

with this new gb, will it reduce the performance slightly?
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it read it some where..the staff who tested earlier said that the performance is hard to judge with current 2.0. some said it almost identical
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QUOTE(gahpadu @ Mar 10 2016, 04:48 PM)
it read it some where..the staff who tested earlier said that the performance is hard to judge with current 2.0. some said it almost identical
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0-100 take about 8.6-8.9 sec
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QUOTE(gahpadu @ Mar 10 2016, 04:48 PM)
it read it some where..the staff who tested earlier said that the performance is hard to judge with current 2.0. some said it almost identical
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compare 1.5 fiesta with 1.0 fiesta really cant differentiate much also...

just the power delivery slight different
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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 10 2016, 03:50 PM)
Hmm 139k....I was expecting Jetta price at most. RM139k won't do it for me, gonna wait for year end discount.
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RM140K for the Titanium sedan isn't going to fly off the shelf. The Mazda 3 high spec at RM120K now seems like a bargain! RM119K for the basic Trend with key ignition? I say, this is so yesterday!

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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Mar 10 2016, 07:42 PM)
RM140K for the Titanium sedan isn't going to fly off the shelf. The Mazda 3 high spec at RM120K now seems like a bargain! RM119K for the basic Trend with key ignition? I say, this is so yesterday!
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Can get the Mazda 3 high spec for RM120k? One of my colleague just bought this car. Only RM1k discount, so it is RM124k but he got a cash ang pow as a freebie. Few hundred bucks. Having said that, RM139k for the high-spec Focus won't sell in buckets though I'd expect the price to drop rather drastically by year end.

Mazda 3 is a nice car inside out, arguably nicer than the Ford Focus, but in terms of handling, no matter how good it is, it will still lose out to the Focus. In the end, it depends on what the owner wants. By the way, is your Mazda 3's tyres noisy? My colleague commented that the Yokohama stock tyres are very noisy, and there is rattling sound from the dashboard for a 1-day old car.
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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Mar 10 2016, 07:42 PM)
RM140K for the Titanium sedan isn't going to fly off the shelf. The Mazda 3 high spec at RM120K now seems like a bargain! RM119K for the basic Trend with key ignition? I say, this is so yesterday!
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before ckd, mazda 3 was 139k too
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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Mar 10 2016, 07:42 PM)
RM140K for the Titanium sedan isn't going to fly off the shelf. The Mazda 3 high spec at RM120K now seems like a bargain! RM119K for the basic Trend with key ignition? I say, this is so yesterday!
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before ckd, mazda 3 was 139k too
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QUOTE(Dwango @ Mar 10 2016, 10:16 PM)
Can get the Mazda 3 high spec for RM120k? One of my colleague just bought this car. Only RM1k discount, so it is RM124k but he got a cash ang pow as a freebie. Few hundred bucks. Having said that, RM139k for the high-spec Focus won't sell in buckets though I'd expect the price to drop rather drastically by year end.

Mazda 3 is a nice car inside out, arguably nicer than the Ford Focus, but in terms of handling, no matter how good it is, it will still lose out to the Focus. In the end, it depends on what the owner wants. By the way, is your Mazda 3's tyres noisy? My colleague commented that the Yokohama stock tyres are very noisy, and there is rattling sound from the dashboard for a 1-day old car.
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RM120K for the Mazda 3 is OTR without insurance. Insurance depends on your NCB. The Toyo 18" tyres are noisy but they are performance tyres. Some users have replaced the original tyres with other makes and they report better noise reduction. Rattling sound from the dashboard is not a common complaint for this car. In fact very rare.

If you are not going to corner like a track racer a little better handling doesn't justify the extra price. The M3 is very stable at high speed. I've gone to 160 km/hr and it feels very planted and you feel confident to push it even higher. No terrifying floaty feeling like some other Jap cars.

At the end of the day you'll be comparing the overall features, looks, interior, safety, performance, maintenance, resale value and price before deciding. Unless you are really into Ford the price difference will be a significant deciding factor here.
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Mar 11 2016, 12:39 AM)
before ckd, mazda 3 was 139k too
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Not a fair comparison as the Mazda 3 CBU was from Japan but the Ford Focus is Asean sourced so should be priced comparably to CKD cars.
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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Mar 11 2016, 06:22 AM)
RM120K for the Mazda 3 is OTR without insurance. Insurance depends on your NCB. The Toyo 18" tyres are noisy but they are performance tyres. Some users have replaced the original tyres with other makes and they report better noise reduction. Rattling sound from the dashboard is not a common complaint for this car. In fact very rare.

If you are not going to corner like a track racer a little better handling doesn't justify the extra price. The M3 is very stable at high speed. I've gone to 160 km/hr and it feels very planted and you feel confident to push it even higher. No terrifying floaty feeling like some other Jap cars.

At the end of the day you'll be comparing the overall features, looks, interior, safety, performance, maintenance, resale value and price before deciding. Unless you are really into Ford the price difference will be a significant deciding factor here.
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No wonder it is RM120k. Nobody will base on the reduction in insurance when quoting a price of the car. Anyway if you prefer to do so to give the impression of a lower price, then fine. Having said that, even after NCD deduction it will come up to about RM122k+/- assuming the 124k without insurance.

Good point that you bring up TRACK RACER. In summary it is all relative. I do know the Mazda 3's handling is the best out of the other Japanese in the same segment such as Altis, Civic, Nissan etc. It is the same thing that the Altis or Nissan driver will say when one promotes the good handling/performance/stability of the Mazda 3 or that the Mazda 3 feels very stable at 160 km/h relative to the floaty feeling of other Japanese cars. The argument of "Why the need of driving so fast like a race track driver, my Proton Saga is also very stable up to 180km/h compared to your 160km/h on your Mazda3/Ford Focus etc." and all sorts of opinions.

Another point that I want to highlight is you don't need be a fast and furious race track driver to appreciate cars with better handling, although driving at higher speeds (with these better handling cars) will show the difference at a greater magnitude. Even if one drives the car at moderate speeds, you will feel the difference between a lesser car and a better car as in how the car behaves on the road, the steering feel and suspension. There is no need to push the car as if it is in a race in the Sepang race track circuit to appreciate the handling of a car. Most often we see "lesser cars" such as Myvis or Sagas etc. at incredible speeds when on the straights or tackling a corner, much faster than better handling cars. But that does not mean the handling of these cars are better just because the vehicles are fast. It is just that the driver in these cars chose to drive fast. That's all.

One thing that I agree is on your last paragraph, spot on. The Mazda 3 is surely value for money for all the specs given for the high-spec model. My colleague cannot stop telling me all the safety features of the car such as lane departure and stuff, features that can only be found in costlier high-end cars. In this sense, the Mazda 3 is surely value for money when compared to the overpriced Toyota and Honda (and Ford Focus at the moment). But as I have said, by year end there will likely be huge discount for Ford models, maybe RM5k to RM10k if not more. The 139k price tag seems steep at the moment to me, but there will be some people who are surely into the car who do not mind paying the premium.
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QUOTE(Dwango @ Mar 11 2016, 07:55 AM)
No wonder it is RM120k. Nobody will base on the reduction in insurance when quoting a price of the car. Anyway if you prefer to do so to give the impression of a lower price, then fine. Having said that, even after NCD deduction it will come up to about RM122k+/- assuming the 124k without insurance.

Good point that you bring up TRACK RACER. In summary it is all relative. I do know the Mazda 3's handling is the best out of the other Japanese in the same segment such as Altis, Civic, Nissan etc. It is the same thing that the Altis or Nissan driver will say when one promotes the good handling/performance/stability of the Mazda 3 or that the Mazda 3 feels very stable at 160 km/h relative to the floaty feeling of other Japanese cars. The argument of "Why the need of driving so fast like a race track driver, my Proton Saga is also very stable up to 180km/h compared to your 160km/h on your Mazda3/Ford Focus etc." and all sorts of opinions.

Another point that I want to highlight is you don't need be a fast and furious race track driver to appreciate cars with better handling, although driving at higher speeds (with these better handling cars) will show the difference at a greater magnitude. Even if one drives the car at moderate speeds, you will feel the difference between a lesser car and a better car as in how the car behaves on the road, the steering feel and suspension. There is no need to push the car as if it is in a race in the Sepang race track circuit to appreciate the handling of a car. Most often we see "lesser cars" such as Myvis or Sagas etc. at incredible speeds when on the straights or tackling a corner, much faster than better handling cars. But that does not mean the handling of these cars are better just because the vehicles are fast. It is just that the driver in these cars chose to drive fast. That's all.

One thing that I agree is on your last paragraph, spot on. The Mazda 3 is surely value for money for all the specs given for the high-spec model. My colleague cannot stop telling me all the safety features of the car such as lane departure and stuff, features that can only be found in costlier high-end cars. In this sense, the Mazda 3 is surely value for money when compared to the overpriced Toyota and Honda (and Ford Focus at the moment). But as I have said, by year end there will likely be huge discount for Ford models, maybe RM5k to RM10k if not more. The 139k price tag seems steep at the moment to me, but there will be some people who are surely into the car who do not mind paying the premium.
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ford doesn;t need this to be volume seller, the ranger takes care of that

mazda needs the 3 to be volume seller together with cx5
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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Mar 11 2016, 06:22 AM)
RM120K for the Mazda 3 is OTR without insurance. Insurance depends on your NCB. The Toyo 18" tyres are noisy but they are performance tyres. Some users have replaced the original tyres with other makes and they report better noise reduction. Rattling sound from the dashboard is not a common complaint for this car. In fact very rare.

If you are not going to corner like a track racer a little better handling doesn't justify the extra price. The M3 is very stable at high speed. I've gone to 160 km/hr and it feels very planted and you feel confident to push it even higher. No terrifying floaty feeling like some other Jap cars.

At the end of the day you'll be comparing the overall features, looks, interior, safety, performance, maintenance, resale value and price before deciding. Unless you are really into Ford the price difference will be a significant deciding factor here.
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well they gave the 18" performance tyres is surely noisy, either change to eco or leave it there is the point.

btw i tested almost all B-seg cars found that ford & mazda is the best handling on both continents.

btw i suggest not to consider RV as the market floats alot especially the stupiak gov keep affecting the car prices, unless you got tons of cash to keep changing car or else it wont be a big issue


QUOTE(Dwango @ Mar 11 2016, 07:55 AM)
No wonder it is RM120k. Nobody will base on the reduction in insurance when quoting a price of the car. Anyway if you prefer to do so to give the impression of a lower price, then fine. Having said that, even after NCD deduction it will come up to about RM122k+/- assuming the 124k without insurance.

Good point that you bring up TRACK RACER. In summary it is all relative. I do know the Mazda 3's handling is the best out of the other Japanese in the same segment such as Altis, Civic, Nissan etc. It is the same thing that the Altis or Nissan driver will say when one promotes the good handling/performance/stability of the Mazda 3 or that the Mazda 3 feels very stable at 160 km/h relative to the floaty feeling of other Japanese cars. The argument of "Why the need of driving so fast like a race track driver, my Proton Saga is also very stable up to 180km/h compared to your 160km/h on your Mazda3/Ford Focus etc." and all sorts of opinions.

Another point that I want to highlight is you don't need be a fast and furious race track driver to appreciate cars with better handling, although driving at higher speeds (with these better handling cars) will show the difference at a greater magnitude. Even if one drives the car at moderate speeds, you will feel the difference between a lesser car and a better car as in how the car behaves on the road, the steering feel and suspension. There is no need to push the car as if it is in a race in the Sepang race track circuit to appreciate the handling of a car. Most often we see "lesser cars" such as Myvis or Sagas etc. at incredible speeds when on the straights or tackling a corner, much faster than better handling cars. But that does not mean the handling of these cars are better just because the vehicles are fast. It is just that the driver in these cars chose to drive fast. That's all.

One thing that I agree is on your last paragraph, spot on. The Mazda 3 is surely value for money for all the specs given for the high-spec model. My colleague cannot stop telling me all the safety features of the car such as lane departure and stuff, features that can only be found in costlier high-end cars. In this sense, the Mazda 3 is surely value for money when compared to the overpriced Toyota and Honda (and Ford Focus at the moment). But as I have said, by year end there will likely be huge discount for Ford models, maybe RM5k to RM10k if not more. The 139k price tag seems steep at the moment to me, but there will be some people who are surely into the car who do not mind paying the premium.
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The Ford Focus Sedan boost a long list of safety too
- ABS, ESP, Hill Launch Assist, ISOFIX, SOS Post-Crash Alert
- Improved electric power-assisted steering – improved comfort, agility, reduced steering effort
- Enhanced Park Assist – now with perpendicular parking and park out assist
- Improved suspension – 25 percent stiffer, reduced sideways movement, quieter and stronger dampers for improved ride comfort
- Enhanced Transitional Stability (ETS) – an addition to the standard electronic stability control feature, predicts and mitigates potential spinouts
- Enhanced Active City Stop – now active up to 50 km/h
- Automatic headlamps with Follow Me Home function
- MyKey




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Then next year 20k diskaun for this year model  bruce.gif
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QUOTE(Dwango @ Mar 10 2016, 10:16 PM)
Can get the Mazda 3 high spec for RM120k? One of my colleague just bought this car. Only RM1k discount, so it is RM124k but he got a cash ang pow as a freebie. Few hundred bucks. Having said that, RM139k for the high-spec Focus won't sell in buckets though I'd expect the price to drop rather drastically by year end.

Mazda 3 is a nice car inside out, arguably nicer than the Ford Focus, but in terms of handling, no matter how good it is, it will still lose out to the Focus. In the end, it depends on what the owner wants. By the way, is your Mazda 3's tyres noisy? My colleague commented that the Yokohama stock tyres are very noisy, and there is rattling sound from the dashboard for a 1-day old car.
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rattling is most complaint from Mazda owner, save few k for cheaplak plastics & hv to look at it evrytime driving? no thanks
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QUOTE(wingwp @ Mar 11 2016, 01:08 PM)
talking bout Focus, Im stil sitting here in service center after done my service
100% free.. agent keep asking what else wan to check/complaint and I can't think of any significant (well beside the clutch issue which on schedule to replace)
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i thought they scheduled everything if any exceeded time they will compensate you? mind help me ask the unker there whether available to test drive? keke
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wow sdac pj federal highway  blink.gif

i thought they scheduled everything if any exceeded time they will compensate you? mind help me ask the unker there whether available to test drive? keke
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talking bout Focus, Im stil sitting here in service center after done my service
100% free.. agent keep asking what else wan to check/complaint and I can't think of any significant (well beside the clutch issue which on schedule to replace)
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RM21K difference between the Trend and Sport+ models is too much for the same engine and body. If you are in the market for a Focus hatchback better choose the Trend. You don't need all the assist features and auto gadgets which makes little difference to your driving experience. After a while you will probably control the headlights, wipers and aircon manually because the auto controls make asinine decisions. However if you want a basic Focus sedan you are out of luck. Wonder why this isn't offered.

However putting only 2 airbags on the Trend is a pretty bad marketing decision. They should follow Mazda 3 and have all basic safety features standard across the range with only luxury features as optional.

Still no reverse camera even for the high spec. Why leave out this highly useful safety feature Ford? Even the M3 basic spec has a reverse camera.

You can take out the keyless entry for the Trend but giving keyed ignition is just so mean. This isn't a cheap car by any means. Another meanie is mono central display for the Trend. Again, compared to the M3 GL, no keyless entry but equipped with push start and it shares the same infotainment display as the high spec.

Unless you are a hardcore Ford fan, just get the high spec M3 for a little more than the Trend and save your money. Or if you don't need all the gadgets get the M3 GL spec for RM109K and end up with a car which is still well rounded and satisfying with 6 airbags and you even get leather seats!

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QUOTE(kluseng @ Mar 12 2016, 06:38 PM)
RM21K difference between the Trend and Sport+ models is too much for the same engine and body. If you are in the market for a Focus hatchback better choose the Trend. You don't need all the assist features and auto gadgets which makes little difference to your driving experience. After a while you will probably control the headlights, wipers and aircon manually because the auto controls make asinine decisions. However if you want a basic Focus sedan you are out of luck. Wonder why this isn't offered.

However putting only 2 airbags on the Trend is a pretty bad marketing decision. They should follow Mazda 3 and have all basic safety features standard across the range with only luxury features as optional.

Still no reverse camera even for the high spec. Why leave out this highly useful safety feature Ford? Even the M3 basic spec has a reverse camera.

You can take out the keyless entry for the Trend but giving keyed ignition is just so mean. This isn't a cheap car by any means. Another meanie is mono central display for the Trend.  Again, compared to the M3 GL, no keyless entry but equipped with push start and it shares the same infotainment display as the high spec.

Unless you are a hardcore Ford fan, just get the high spec M3 for a little more than the Trend and save your money. Or if you don't need all the gadgets get the M3 GL spec for RM109K and end up with a car which is still well rounded and satisfying with 6 airbags and you even get leather seats!
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All said and done, Mazda3 full spec still don't have that 180hp and 240Nm from 2k RPM, and this is why Ford is so daring with their pricing strategy. I think they even gave VW the finger with this kind of pricing (Jetta is significantly cheaper)

I was told OTR it is RM145k, not 139k.

I don't agree with SDAC's pricing of the new Focus. If you're not looking for outright power, the M3 is definitely better bang for buck.

Unless SDAC is throwing massive discounts, I can't see them moving much units.

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All said and done, Mazda3 full spec still don't have that 180hp and 240Nm from 2k RPM, and this is why Ford is so daring with their pricing strategy. I think they even gave VW the finger with this kind of pricing (Jetta is significantly cheaper)

I was told OTR it is RM145k, not 139k.

I don't agree with SDAC's pricing of the new Focus. If you're not looking for outright power, the M3 is definitely better bang for buck.

Unless SDAC is throwing massive discounts, I can't see them moving much units.
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If you want outright power get the Jetta 1.4TSI. With discount it can be yours for about RM110K, cheaper than the barebones Trend. Torque is 240 Nm from 1500rpm to 4500rpm. This is what gives you the pickup and the fun. DSG issues appear to be fading. In terms of after sales service hard to say which one is better or worse.

The NA Mazda 3 doesn't have the low end grunt of turbos but overall power is still very decent and better than the average family car. In a world where you can't have everything it is a good compromise between power, reliability, features and price.

You can also wait for the Civic 1.5 Turbo but it will probably be disappointing in price and power.



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If you want outright power get the Jetta 1.4TSI. With discount it can be yours for about RM110K, cheaper than the barebones Trend. Torque is 240 Nm from 1500rpm to 4500rpm. This is what gives you the pickup and the fun. DSG issues appear to be fading. In terms of after sales service hard to say which one is better or worse.

The NA Mazda 3 doesn't have the low end grunt of turbos but overall power is still very decent and better than the average family car. In a world where you can't have everything it is a good compromise between power, reliability, features and price.

You can also wait for the Civic 1.5 Turbo but it will probably be disappointing in price and power.
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Thats why I opined before its launch that it should be price similiar to the Jetta or lower, not higher and definitely not by that much. I honestly dont know what SDAC is thinking.

Too bad, I was very eagerly looking forward to own one.
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Tested earlier today, torque is increased noticeable. While the brake seems on the soft part. Removed sunroof, projector xenons, change to multi spoke ugly rims with prymacy tyre.

Good side is it has paddleshift + s mode.
No low speed jerk issue, responsive gb.

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Tested earlier today, torque is increased noticeable. While the brake seems on the soft part. Removed sunroof, projector xenons, change to multi spoke ugly rims with prymacy tyre.

Good side is it has paddleshift + s mode.
No low speed jerk issue, responsive gb.
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Do you own the current Ford Focus? My colleague just test-drove the new Ford Focus earlier this morning. He currently owns the Ford Focus TDCI (and Mazda CX5). He is very impressed with the Ford Focus and was contemplating of replacing his Focus TDCI with this new Focus, though he agreed with me that the price is on the high side. Similarly like you, he said the car is very responsive, and there is no lag which is contradictory to what the service adviser told me earlier. He said the car's handling is even better than his Focus TDCI. And also, the car is very quiet.

One remark he made cracks me up. He said he purposely drove into all the potholes to test the car, and he is amazed that the car (and suspension) is very quiet.

If the handling of the new Focus is an improvement over the current mk3 model, tangible differences and not subtle differences, it should be very appealing indeed.
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QUOTE(kluseng @ Mar 12 2016, 10:30 PM)
If you want outright power get the Jetta 1.4TSI. With discount it can be yours for about RM110K, cheaper than the barebones Trend. Torque is 240 Nm from 1500rpm to 4500rpm. This is what gives you the pickup and the fun. DSG issues appear to be fading. In terms of after sales service hard to say which one is better or worse.

The NA Mazda 3 doesn't have the low end grunt of turbos but overall power is still very decent and better than the average family car. In a world where you can't have everything it is a good compromise between power, reliability, features and price.

You can also wait for the Civic 1.5 Turbo but it will probably be disappointing in price and power.
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My colleague who owns the Ford Focus test drove the Jetta about 2 years ago. Although the power of the Jetta is good with better refinement and comfort than the Focus, the handling is below the Ford Focus' level. The Jetta wins some in the more refined gearbox and smooth drive, but it loses some in the handling department.
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Mar 12 2016, 11:48 PM)
Do you own the current Ford Focus? My colleague just test-drove the new Ford Focus earlier this morning. He currently owns the Ford Focus TDCI (and Mazda CX5). He is very impressed with the Ford Focus and was contemplating of replacing his Focus TDCI with this new Focus, though he agreed with me that the price is on the high side. Similarly like you, he said the car is very responsive, and there is no lag which is contradictory to what the service adviser told me earlier. He said the car's handling is even better than his Focus TDCI. And also, the car is very quiet.

One remark he made cracks me up. He said he purposely drove into all the potholes to test the car, and he is amazed that the car (and suspension) is very quiet.

If the handling of the new Focus is an improvement over the current mk3 model, tangible differences and not subtle differences, it should be very appealing indeed.
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i dont own 1, but my friend do owns 1 2.0 duratec 2014 i think & i drove once.

pros: stiffer suspension, more responsive engine, better handling, no more stupid thumb control powershift, 8" touch display (no more button phobia), 8 parking sensors, no sun roof (no more afraid of rubber leaking), new auto parking assits, new city stop assists

cons: brake too soft, stupid rims design ( i prefer the old ones Y-spoke), no more xenon (it might be a good side cause cheaper) no body kits yet, the leather is ok ok 1, the new blue colour not nice, and they gave the prymacy tyre is noisy although it is not so performance tyre, it would be great if follow fiesta st's conti tyres

this is what i think
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QUOTE(Paneuropa @ Mar 14 2016, 02:20 PM)
12 sensors. 6 front 6 back

cars already fitted with full kit what...

primary lc is quiet and fuel saving tyre.
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i prefer the special bodykit for 2.0 before this... need to wait for ford offer 1 in future.

i found that that tyre is noisy... perhaps me too sensitive?? gonna change the tyre straight away if i really bought it anyways whistling.gif
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QUOTE(silverfoxxy @ Mar 14 2016, 09:30 AM)
i dont own 1, but my friend do owns 1 2.0 duratec 2014 i think & i drove once.

pros: stiffer suspension, more responsive engine, better handling, no more stupid thumb control powershift, 8" touch display (no more button phobia), 8 parking sensors, no sun roof (no more afraid of rubber leaking), new auto parking assits, new city stop assists

cons: brake too soft, stupid rims design ( i prefer the old ones Y-spoke), no more xenon (it might be a good side cause cheaper) no body kits yet, the leather is ok ok 1, the new blue colour not nice, and they gave the prymacy tyre is noisy although it is not so performance tyre, it would be great if follow fiesta st's conti tyres

this is what i think
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Did you test-drive the hatchback or sedan? My colleague test-drove the sedan. Surprisingly the Ford guy also preferred the sedan over the hatchback for some unknown reasons although I read that the stability of the sedan is not as good as the Sports due to the normal suspension setting vs. the Sports suspension setting an larger 17" tyres.

Too bad the sedan will come with the same 205/60 R16 tyres. I expect the tyres to be at least 17" since the Indonesian model has 18" tyres. 16" is good for comfort but looked a bit small with a small sacrifice in handling I presume.
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Mar 14 2016, 07:24 PM)
Did you test-drive the hatchback or sedan? My colleague test-drove the sedan. Surprisingly the Ford guy also preferred the sedan over the hatchback for some unknown reasons although I read that the stability of the sedan is not as good as the Sports due to the normal suspension setting vs. the Sports suspension setting an larger 17" tyres.

Too bad the sedan will come with the same 205/60 R16 tyres. I expect the tyres to be at least 17" since the Indonesian model has 18" tyres. 16" is good for comfort but looked a bit small with a small sacrifice in handling I presume.
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I tested on the hatchback, I personally preferred hatchbacks. It is noticeable stiffer suspension setting compared to previous models but I didn't test the sedan, while I once sit in it also. The smaller rims and softer suspension perhaps is a good selling point for family
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QUOTE(silverfoxxy @ Mar 14 2016, 11:15 PM)
I tested on the hatchback, I personally preferred hatchbacks. It is noticeable stiffer suspension setting compared to previous models but I didn't test the sedan, while I once sit in it also. The smaller rims and softer suspension perhaps is a good selling point for family
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I still recall the first time I drove the Ford Focus during test drive more 2 years ago, the first time I experienced the Ford. I always wanted the sedan, but I tested the hatchback first as the service centre didn't have the sedan test-drive unit at that time. I still remember the sharpness of the steering control and handling of the hatchback during the test-drive session, as I turned the steering wheel at a T-junction corner. The sharpness of the steering and overall control of the car, even at low speed, can be felt. During the test-drive session, driving along the roads below 100 km/h, I can feel the stability and solidity of the hatchback on the straights.

About a week later, I managed to find a service centre which has the sedan test-drive unit. I test-drove the Focus sedan and immediately felt a difference in the handling. The handling is not as sharp as the hatchback. No doubt the steering is still sharp during the turns, but I think the difference in the tyres and suspension between the sedan and hatchback plays a major role. The sedan's handling and stability is slightly below the hatchback, but comfort-wise it is better. The imperfections of the roads will be absorbed more efficiently by the higher profile tyres and suspension of the sedan.

In summary, if one wants better handling and often engages in spirited driving sessions, the hatchback will be the choice. The sedan is more family-orientated with a larger boot for stuff.
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Not to say the handling of the Focus sedan is below-par. I do think it is still excellent. It is just that when compared to the Focus Sport hatchback, the difference shows.
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Not to say the handling of the Focus sedan is below-par. I do think it is still excellent. It is just that when compared to the Focus Sport hatchback, the difference shows.
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well, the hatchback has a name of sport+ which means a sporty car. definitely lesser comfortableness compared sedan.

it is still a good car but for those who suka layan corner, need a more solid handling nod.gif
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Mar 12 2016, 11:48 PM)
Do you own the current Ford Focus? My colleague just test-drove the new Ford Focus earlier this morning. He currently owns the Ford Focus TDCI (and Mazda CX5). He is very impressed with the Ford Focus and was contemplating of replacing his Focus TDCI with this new Focus, though he agreed with me that the price is on the high side. Similarly like you, he said the car is very responsive, and there is no lag which is contradictory to what the service adviser told me earlier. He said the car's handling is even better than his Focus TDCI. And also, the car is very quiet.

One remark he made cracks me up. He said he purposely drove into all the potholes to test the car, and he is amazed that the car (and suspension) is very quiet.

If the handling of the new Focus is an improvement over the current mk3 model, tangible differences and not subtle differences, it should be very appealing indeed.
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This is enlightening!

I was looking for a comparison between the new 1.5 Ford Focus against the TDCI.

I used to own a TDCi before it got totaled in Tapah. The Ford Focus TDCi is the best cars I had ever owned in my life.



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QUOTE(kluseng @ Mar 12 2016, 06:38 PM)
RM21K difference between the Trend and Sport+ models is too much for the same engine and body. If you are in the market for a Focus hatchback better choose the Trend. You don't need all the assist features and auto gadgets which makes little difference to your driving experience. After a while you will probably control the headlights, wipers and aircon manually because the auto controls make asinine decisions. However if you want a basic Focus sedan you are out of luck. Wonder why this isn't offered.

However putting only 2 airbags on the Trend is a pretty bad marketing decision. They should follow Mazda 3 and have all basic safety features standard across the range with only luxury features as optional.

Still no reverse camera even for the high spec. Why leave out this highly useful safety feature Ford? Even the M3 basic spec has a reverse camera.

You can take out the keyless entry for the Trend but giving keyed ignition is just so mean. This isn't a cheap car by any means. Another meanie is mono central display for the Trend.  Again, compared to the M3 GL, no keyless entry but equipped with push start and it shares the same infotainment display as the high spec.

Unless you are a hardcore Ford fan, just get the high spec M3 for a little more than the Trend and save your money. Or if you don't need all the gadgets get the M3 GL spec for RM109K and end up with a car which is still well rounded and satisfying with 6 airbags and you even get leather seats!
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I believe out there are still many peoples share the same thought as you, I'm one of them thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

RM20k extra in focus compared to M3 without significant features/good driving experience (well at least to me) is just a big turn off. Although I like the design of Focus a lot bye.gif
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dont forget M3 is ckd but the ford focus is built in thai right?

 

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