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post Mar 10 2016, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(gahpadu @ Mar 10 2016, 04:48 PM)
it read it some where..the staff who tested earlier said that the performance is hard to judge with current 2.0. some said it almost identical
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compare 1.5 fiesta with 1.0 fiesta really cant differentiate much also...

just the power delivery slight different
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post Mar 10 2016, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 10 2016, 03:50 PM)
Hmm 139k....I was expecting Jetta price at most. RM139k won't do it for me, gonna wait for year end discount.
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post Mar 10 2016, 07:42 PM

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RM140K for the Titanium sedan isn't going to fly off the shelf. The Mazda 3 high spec at RM120K now seems like a bargain! RM119K for the basic Trend with key ignition? I say, this is so yesterday!

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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Mar 10 2016, 07:42 PM)
RM140K for the Titanium sedan isn't going to fly off the shelf. The Mazda 3 high spec at RM120K now seems like a bargain! RM119K for the basic Trend with key ignition? I say, this is so yesterday!
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Can get the Mazda 3 high spec for RM120k? One of my colleague just bought this car. Only RM1k discount, so it is RM124k but he got a cash ang pow as a freebie. Few hundred bucks. Having said that, RM139k for the high-spec Focus won't sell in buckets though I'd expect the price to drop rather drastically by year end.

Mazda 3 is a nice car inside out, arguably nicer than the Ford Focus, but in terms of handling, no matter how good it is, it will still lose out to the Focus. In the end, it depends on what the owner wants. By the way, is your Mazda 3's tyres noisy? My colleague commented that the Yokohama stock tyres are very noisy, and there is rattling sound from the dashboard for a 1-day old car.
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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Mar 10 2016, 07:42 PM)
RM140K for the Titanium sedan isn't going to fly off the shelf. The Mazda 3 high spec at RM120K now seems like a bargain! RM119K for the basic Trend with key ignition? I say, this is so yesterday!
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before ckd, mazda 3 was 139k too
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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Mar 10 2016, 07:42 PM)
RM140K for the Titanium sedan isn't going to fly off the shelf. The Mazda 3 high spec at RM120K now seems like a bargain! RM119K for the basic Trend with key ignition? I say, this is so yesterday!
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before ckd, mazda 3 was 139k too
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post Mar 11 2016, 06:22 AM

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QUOTE(Dwango @ Mar 10 2016, 10:16 PM)
Can get the Mazda 3 high spec for RM120k? One of my colleague just bought this car. Only RM1k discount, so it is RM124k but he got a cash ang pow as a freebie. Few hundred bucks. Having said that, RM139k for the high-spec Focus won't sell in buckets though I'd expect the price to drop rather drastically by year end.

Mazda 3 is a nice car inside out, arguably nicer than the Ford Focus, but in terms of handling, no matter how good it is, it will still lose out to the Focus. In the end, it depends on what the owner wants. By the way, is your Mazda 3's tyres noisy? My colleague commented that the Yokohama stock tyres are very noisy, and there is rattling sound from the dashboard for a 1-day old car.
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RM120K for the Mazda 3 is OTR without insurance. Insurance depends on your NCB. The Toyo 18" tyres are noisy but they are performance tyres. Some users have replaced the original tyres with other makes and they report better noise reduction. Rattling sound from the dashboard is not a common complaint for this car. In fact very rare.

If you are not going to corner like a track racer a little better handling doesn't justify the extra price. The M3 is very stable at high speed. I've gone to 160 km/hr and it feels very planted and you feel confident to push it even higher. No terrifying floaty feeling like some other Jap cars.

At the end of the day you'll be comparing the overall features, looks, interior, safety, performance, maintenance, resale value and price before deciding. Unless you are really into Ford the price difference will be a significant deciding factor here.
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Mar 11 2016, 12:39 AM)
before ckd, mazda 3 was 139k too
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Not a fair comparison as the Mazda 3 CBU was from Japan but the Ford Focus is Asean sourced so should be priced comparably to CKD cars.
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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Mar 11 2016, 06:22 AM)
RM120K for the Mazda 3 is OTR without insurance. Insurance depends on your NCB. The Toyo 18" tyres are noisy but they are performance tyres. Some users have replaced the original tyres with other makes and they report better noise reduction. Rattling sound from the dashboard is not a common complaint for this car. In fact very rare.

If you are not going to corner like a track racer a little better handling doesn't justify the extra price. The M3 is very stable at high speed. I've gone to 160 km/hr and it feels very planted and you feel confident to push it even higher. No terrifying floaty feeling like some other Jap cars.

At the end of the day you'll be comparing the overall features, looks, interior, safety, performance, maintenance, resale value and price before deciding. Unless you are really into Ford the price difference will be a significant deciding factor here.
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No wonder it is RM120k. Nobody will base on the reduction in insurance when quoting a price of the car. Anyway if you prefer to do so to give the impression of a lower price, then fine. Having said that, even after NCD deduction it will come up to about RM122k+/- assuming the 124k without insurance.

Good point that you bring up TRACK RACER. In summary it is all relative. I do know the Mazda 3's handling is the best out of the other Japanese in the same segment such as Altis, Civic, Nissan etc. It is the same thing that the Altis or Nissan driver will say when one promotes the good handling/performance/stability of the Mazda 3 or that the Mazda 3 feels very stable at 160 km/h relative to the floaty feeling of other Japanese cars. The argument of "Why the need of driving so fast like a race track driver, my Proton Saga is also very stable up to 180km/h compared to your 160km/h on your Mazda3/Ford Focus etc." and all sorts of opinions.

Another point that I want to highlight is you don't need be a fast and furious race track driver to appreciate cars with better handling, although driving at higher speeds (with these better handling cars) will show the difference at a greater magnitude. Even if one drives the car at moderate speeds, you will feel the difference between a lesser car and a better car as in how the car behaves on the road, the steering feel and suspension. There is no need to push the car as if it is in a race in the Sepang race track circuit to appreciate the handling of a car. Most often we see "lesser cars" such as Myvis or Sagas etc. at incredible speeds when on the straights or tackling a corner, much faster than better handling cars. But that does not mean the handling of these cars are better just because the vehicles are fast. It is just that the driver in these cars chose to drive fast. That's all.

One thing that I agree is on your last paragraph, spot on. The Mazda 3 is surely value for money for all the specs given for the high-spec model. My colleague cannot stop telling me all the safety features of the car such as lane departure and stuff, features that can only be found in costlier high-end cars. In this sense, the Mazda 3 is surely value for money when compared to the overpriced Toyota and Honda (and Ford Focus at the moment). But as I have said, by year end there will likely be huge discount for Ford models, maybe RM5k to RM10k if not more. The 139k price tag seems steep at the moment to me, but there will be some people who are surely into the car who do not mind paying the premium.
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QUOTE(Dwango @ Mar 11 2016, 07:55 AM)
No wonder it is RM120k. Nobody will base on the reduction in insurance when quoting a price of the car. Anyway if you prefer to do so to give the impression of a lower price, then fine. Having said that, even after NCD deduction it will come up to about RM122k+/- assuming the 124k without insurance.

Good point that you bring up TRACK RACER. In summary it is all relative. I do know the Mazda 3's handling is the best out of the other Japanese in the same segment such as Altis, Civic, Nissan etc. It is the same thing that the Altis or Nissan driver will say when one promotes the good handling/performance/stability of the Mazda 3 or that the Mazda 3 feels very stable at 160 km/h relative to the floaty feeling of other Japanese cars. The argument of "Why the need of driving so fast like a race track driver, my Proton Saga is also very stable up to 180km/h compared to your 160km/h on your Mazda3/Ford Focus etc." and all sorts of opinions.

Another point that I want to highlight is you don't need be a fast and furious race track driver to appreciate cars with better handling, although driving at higher speeds (with these better handling cars) will show the difference at a greater magnitude. Even if one drives the car at moderate speeds, you will feel the difference between a lesser car and a better car as in how the car behaves on the road, the steering feel and suspension. There is no need to push the car as if it is in a race in the Sepang race track circuit to appreciate the handling of a car. Most often we see "lesser cars" such as Myvis or Sagas etc. at incredible speeds when on the straights or tackling a corner, much faster than better handling cars. But that does not mean the handling of these cars are better just because the vehicles are fast. It is just that the driver in these cars chose to drive fast. That's all.

One thing that I agree is on your last paragraph, spot on. The Mazda 3 is surely value for money for all the specs given for the high-spec model. My colleague cannot stop telling me all the safety features of the car such as lane departure and stuff, features that can only be found in costlier high-end cars. In this sense, the Mazda 3 is surely value for money when compared to the overpriced Toyota and Honda (and Ford Focus at the moment). But as I have said, by year end there will likely be huge discount for Ford models, maybe RM5k to RM10k if not more. The 139k price tag seems steep at the moment to me, but there will be some people who are surely into the car who do not mind paying the premium.
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ford doesn;t need this to be volume seller, the ranger takes care of that

mazda needs the 3 to be volume seller together with cx5
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post Mar 11 2016, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Mar 11 2016, 06:22 AM)
RM120K for the Mazda 3 is OTR without insurance. Insurance depends on your NCB. The Toyo 18" tyres are noisy but they are performance tyres. Some users have replaced the original tyres with other makes and they report better noise reduction. Rattling sound from the dashboard is not a common complaint for this car. In fact very rare.

If you are not going to corner like a track racer a little better handling doesn't justify the extra price. The M3 is very stable at high speed. I've gone to 160 km/hr and it feels very planted and you feel confident to push it even higher. No terrifying floaty feeling like some other Jap cars.

At the end of the day you'll be comparing the overall features, looks, interior, safety, performance, maintenance, resale value and price before deciding. Unless you are really into Ford the price difference will be a significant deciding factor here.
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well they gave the 18" performance tyres is surely noisy, either change to eco or leave it there is the point.

btw i tested almost all B-seg cars found that ford & mazda is the best handling on both continents.

btw i suggest not to consider RV as the market floats alot especially the stupiak gov keep affecting the car prices, unless you got tons of cash to keep changing car or else it wont be a big issue


QUOTE(Dwango @ Mar 11 2016, 07:55 AM)
No wonder it is RM120k. Nobody will base on the reduction in insurance when quoting a price of the car. Anyway if you prefer to do so to give the impression of a lower price, then fine. Having said that, even after NCD deduction it will come up to about RM122k+/- assuming the 124k without insurance.

Good point that you bring up TRACK RACER. In summary it is all relative. I do know the Mazda 3's handling is the best out of the other Japanese in the same segment such as Altis, Civic, Nissan etc. It is the same thing that the Altis or Nissan driver will say when one promotes the good handling/performance/stability of the Mazda 3 or that the Mazda 3 feels very stable at 160 km/h relative to the floaty feeling of other Japanese cars. The argument of "Why the need of driving so fast like a race track driver, my Proton Saga is also very stable up to 180km/h compared to your 160km/h on your Mazda3/Ford Focus etc." and all sorts of opinions.

Another point that I want to highlight is you don't need be a fast and furious race track driver to appreciate cars with better handling, although driving at higher speeds (with these better handling cars) will show the difference at a greater magnitude. Even if one drives the car at moderate speeds, you will feel the difference between a lesser car and a better car as in how the car behaves on the road, the steering feel and suspension. There is no need to push the car as if it is in a race in the Sepang race track circuit to appreciate the handling of a car. Most often we see "lesser cars" such as Myvis or Sagas etc. at incredible speeds when on the straights or tackling a corner, much faster than better handling cars. But that does not mean the handling of these cars are better just because the vehicles are fast. It is just that the driver in these cars chose to drive fast. That's all.

One thing that I agree is on your last paragraph, spot on. The Mazda 3 is surely value for money for all the specs given for the high-spec model. My colleague cannot stop telling me all the safety features of the car such as lane departure and stuff, features that can only be found in costlier high-end cars. In this sense, the Mazda 3 is surely value for money when compared to the overpriced Toyota and Honda (and Ford Focus at the moment). But as I have said, by year end there will likely be huge discount for Ford models, maybe RM5k to RM10k if not more. The 139k price tag seems steep at the moment to me, but there will be some people who are surely into the car who do not mind paying the premium.
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post Mar 11 2016, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(Dwango @ Mar 11 2016, 07:55 AM)
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The Ford Focus Sedan boost a long list of safety too
- ABS, ESP, Hill Launch Assist, ISOFIX, SOS Post-Crash Alert
- Improved electric power-assisted steering – improved comfort, agility, reduced steering effort
- Enhanced Park Assist – now with perpendicular parking and park out assist
- Improved suspension – 25 percent stiffer, reduced sideways movement, quieter and stronger dampers for improved ride comfort
- Enhanced Transitional Stability (ETS) – an addition to the standard electronic stability control feature, predicts and mitigates potential spinouts
- Enhanced Active City Stop – now active up to 50 km/h
- Automatic headlamps with Follow Me Home function
- MyKey




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post Mar 11 2016, 12:11 PM

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Then next year 20k diskaun for this year model bruce.gif
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post Mar 11 2016, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 11 2016, 12:11 PM)
Then next year 20k diskaun for this year model  bruce.gif
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hoping can get 25k discount for next year stock clearance sales icon_idea.gif
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post Mar 11 2016, 01:00 PM

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rattling is most complaint from Mazda owner, save few k for cheaplak plastics & hv to look at it evrytime driving? no thanks

QUOTE(Dwango @ Mar 10 2016, 10:16 PM)
Can get the Mazda 3 high spec for RM120k? One of my colleague just bought this car. Only RM1k discount, so it is RM124k but he got a cash ang pow as a freebie. Few hundred bucks. Having said that, RM139k for the high-spec Focus won't sell in buckets though I'd expect the price to drop rather drastically by year end.

Mazda 3 is a nice car inside out, arguably nicer than the Ford Focus, but in terms of handling, no matter how good it is, it will still lose out to the Focus. In the end, it depends on what the owner wants. By the way, is your Mazda 3's tyres noisy? My colleague commented that the Yokohama stock tyres are very noisy, and there is rattling sound from the dashboard for a 1-day old car.
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post Mar 11 2016, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(wingwp @ Mar 11 2016, 01:00 PM)
rattling is most complaint from Mazda owner, save few k for cheaplak plastics & hv to look at it evrytime driving? no thanks
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sometimes looking for the rattling sound is fun icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif

did it all the time with my maivee tongue.gif
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post Mar 11 2016, 01:08 PM

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talking bout Focus, Im stil sitting here in service center after done my service
100% free.. agent keep asking what else wan to check/complaint and I can't think of any significant (well beside the clutch issue which on schedule to replace)




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post Mar 11 2016, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(wingwp @ Mar 11 2016, 01:08 PM)
talking bout Focus, Im stil sitting here in service center after done my service
100% free.. agent keep asking what else wan to check/complaint and I can't think of any significant (well beside the clutch issue which on schedule to replace)
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wow sdac pj federal highway blink.gif

i thought they scheduled everything if any exceeded time they will compensate you? mind help me ask the unker there whether available to test drive? keke
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available for test drive, sport+ & titanium also

QUOTE(silverfoxxy @ Mar 11 2016, 01:27 PM)
wow sdac pj federal highway  blink.gif

i thought they scheduled everything if any exceeded time they will compensate you? mind help me ask the unker there whether available to test drive? keke
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