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Jack234
post Nov 3 2016, 09:17 AM

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I'm thinking of buying car care products for a new brown colour car.
What should I start with?
Is the Meguiars gold class car wash and gold class wax enough? Any other better and cheaper options?
I just want my car to be protected from bird poop stain or other stain.
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post Nov 3 2016, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(supersimple123 @ Nov 3 2016, 09:59 AM)
Bird poop, tree saps, etc stains are an ongoing concern.
Unlikely wax able to protect if left to bake under sun for long/ a few days.
Wax is a temporary layer that buys u time. Best it to remove it soonest. Keep the "tools" in your boot for the quick job.

Protection is keeping a sacrificial layer over the paint and removing the contaminants soonest. Simple as that. smile.gif

Yes GC is definitely good enough for a car shampoo.
Depending on how serious u want to get, you'll need more products..

Simple startup..
- Soft microber cloths - lots (the key is to change the cloths as they wear out.. use a few times then throw)
- wash mitt (u can use microfiber cloths if u wanna save a bit)
- Buckets with grit guards
- shampoo (GC or equivalent)
- spray wax (get a multi purpose one like the ultimate spraw wax/ xpress wax.. makes your life easy rather than jugging too many products)
- tyre shine (get water based)
- paste/liquid wax
- applicator sponges
- leather conditioner/cleaner if u have leather upholstery

Have fun!
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I guess I will use gold class paste wax, but using hand to wax takes too much time and energy. Which car wax machine is suggested for a starter?
For the microfiber and wash mitt, can I get cheap China cloth? I saw branded one price is very high, I don't know if it's worth the price.
Thank you for the great post.

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post Nov 4 2016, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(supersimple123 @ Nov 4 2016, 11:32 AM)
I don't think it takes long to hand wax (we are talking wax only.. not those AIO).. to me it is faster than using machine... Maybe half to an hr at most, depending how thorough one wants to be.
The key is to apply a very thin layer. Then its easy to buff off. Pls do NOT apply thick layer... thats why some complain a lot of the effort required.
Only when you talk about compounding and polishing do the machine comes to real use.

No need to get those expensive branded microfiber cloths imho.
Most important is u feel the material that its soft and plush enough. Can get those 3pc/rm10 or so.. sometimes mr diy has decent quality ones for around that also.
Then you can treat those cloths like disposables.. use few times then pls throw away. Any microfiber cloth degrades after a few uses, no matter how expensive.
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All right, thanks for your opinions

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post Nov 11 2016, 09:59 PM

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Where can I get cheaper Meguiars GC car wash and wax paste? What is the price range for these products?
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post Nov 12 2016, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(slk @ Nov 12 2016, 08:15 AM)
wait for meguiar's direct malaysia year end sale or try lazada with discount code
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Okay thank you very much
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post Nov 21 2016, 11:53 PM

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How to remove the tear-drop-like thingy below the door handles? When the microfiber goes through the area, it feels sticky

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post Nov 22 2016, 06:08 AM

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QUOTE(windskill @ Nov 22 2016, 01:09 AM)
Did you park your car under any tree + bake under hot sun?
It doesn't look like water stains for me, plus etched water stains will not give you a "sticky" feel.

You can try out with claybar approach first. If it's not working, you may try out other alternative as below:
- Tarspot remover which contains petroleum distillates to remove the sticky dirt
- Cleaner wax (eg: Soft99 Meta Clean,etc.)
- Finally, polish it
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Ya, most of the time it's parked at outdoor from 8am-5pm. No tree, just sun.
I will try clay bar first. On my white car, it did happens also. I have to use cleaner wax every week to remove the layer of dirt. So I thought what's is the cause of this. Only happens below the door handles and side mirrors.
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post Nov 25 2016, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(toonny @ Nov 22 2016, 09:10 AM)
Give a good cleaning and wax it. Next time cleaning will be easier.
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Previously I used the KIT liquid MAX WAX to clean the stain and it worked. But every time I wash the car I have to use it.

QUOTE(douglas_tong @ Nov 22 2016, 05:06 PM)
is your door handle and side mirror plastic? if yes, try giving those parts a good clean.
once in a while i will use degreaser to clean, then a multipurpose cleaner and brush to clean it. it's quite common with handles (even with non-plastic part) and near plastic parts.

if you do apply dressing on those plastic parts, it could be it.
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I think so.

Gonna buy Meguiars GC wax, any recommendation place to buy?
Saw lazada selling RM135 now, what's the market price?
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post Nov 26 2016, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(milyk @ Nov 26 2016, 12:38 AM)
I do not recommend Gold Class wax. It is carnauba based. However, this is solely my opinion.

I applied mine. For the next 2 weeks I washed my car on a weekly interval. The beading effect of the wax is gone which indicates the wax is gone. After doing some online checking apparently carnauba melts under the hot sun. Not recommend for use in Malaysia.

Try synthetic sealants.
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I did some reading just now, it seems like synthetic is better for Malaysia climate. What do you think about the Meguiar's Ultimate Wax?
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post Aug 12 2017, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(lkoky @ Aug 11 2017, 12:58 PM)
Result from yesterday 5h work

2 passes of polish
Ipa wipe and Duragloss Environment Shield

Already clayed it the previous day before polish.
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Nice detailing work there
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post Mar 18 2018, 09:14 AM

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When you're using your DA polisher, your neighbours will get annoyed by the loud drilling-like-noise?
Even I myself cannot tahan the noise for 5 minutes
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post Mar 18 2018, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(g88 @ Mar 18 2018, 10:21 AM)
sell the DA and sent to shop  biggrin.gif

China brand DA tend to me noisier than branded one. Same goes to RB too.
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Interesting

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post Mar 18 2018, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(blurcase @ Mar 18 2018, 01:52 PM)
Personally I shut off from the noise after a while. Whenever I do polishing, its only 3-4 hours a day, and the break intervals are longer. Minimize annoyance to neighbours. Besides, its not as annoying as actual wall drilling, because wall drilling is hard impact on walls and the vibration noise is much louder.
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Yeah, I guess it's not early morning and at night shouldn't annoy them that much. Happy detailing
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post Nov 6 2019, 04:15 PM

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I'm looking at Avalon King ceramic coat, very cheap compare to other ceramic coating selling in Malaysia. But I have some questions in my mind.
Can I polish car that's coated with ceramic coating? Will it polish off the coating? If yes, then how do I remove key scratches or other scratches on coated car? Polish and top up the coat again?

Is it suitable to apply wax and sealant on ceramic coat?
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post Nov 6 2019, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(teikchuan @ Nov 6 2019, 05:51 PM)
Yes , polish will mostly remove OLD ceramic coat  , u may need to compound to remove those scratch
U can put any sio2 sealant on ceramic coating eg carpro reload
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I see, I was thinking to buy Turtle Ice S&S from Amazon, but came across this Avalon King coating.

QUOTE(blurcase @ Nov 6 2019, 06:59 PM)
Hmm, your question seem to have alot of different angles, so I will try to break them down one by one.

Polish may not entirely strip coating, but it will definitely degrade your coating. Compounding (which in lay man is aggressive polishing), will strip your coating.

Key scratches are abit more unique in it own way because it is done on purpose and someone pushes a key onto your car and drags it across the panel. There is a strong possibility that such a scratch will penetrate through your coating, clearcoat and colour coat, sometimes all the way to your base primer or even reaching bare metal. For such an extremely deep scratch, there's actually nothing u can do except either touchup paint yourself or repaint the panel.

For other scratches, if they are on your coated car, then the scratch is probably on your coating and not on your car's clearcoat (unless the scratch is very deep and have penetrated your coating).

It will ultimately depend on what is your mindset about car care protection. A coating is applied to protect your car's clearcoat, and if u want to polish off the coating to remove the scratches then topup your coating again, it kinda feels like a waste of coating as chances are all the other properties of the coating (like water beading, ease to clean, etc) are all still there.

Whether to apply a topcoat on top of your ceramic coating, I believe there was a discussion on this thread some pages back. Maybe u can check it up and see.

Just a side note though, rightfully prior to applying your coating, the detailer (whether its u doing DIY or a shop) should do a thorough polish to the car and bring its shine to as perfect as possible first before applying coating. Failure to do so means u still have defects underneath your coating which will probably show after coating is applied. Something to bear in mind.
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Thank you for the thorough explanation. Because I read some time back someone mention watermark on ceramic coating is hard to remove. My worry is need to use polish to clear these watermark, then coating gone also, waste money to reapply the coating again. Might as well I use traditional wax and sealant, polish or clay the watermark off, then reapply the wax, but cons is need to wax the car regularly. Pros and cons of both, sigh...
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post Nov 6 2019, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(teikchuan @ Nov 6 2019, 07:27 PM)
You dont always need "polish" to remove waterspot , u can try acid base cleaner like carpro spotless first . Btw if you always use sio2 sealant on ur ceramic coat , it will reduce waterspot.
If you want to polish off stubborn watermark , tape it off the section , polish , reapply ur coating/sio2 sealant  in that section. really quick and easy
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Yeah, I saw the vinegar method just now also.
Thanks for the tips
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post Nov 7 2019, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(blurcase @ Nov 7 2019, 01:20 AM)
I believe I would be one of those that complain about coating being a watermark magnet in the past.

Just putting things into perspective, car care isnt a perfect art. Most of us here that drive cars use our cars as daily drivers. There is only so much we can do to protect our cars from the elements.

Yes, coating is highly durable, very hydrophobic, quite easy to wash, but its a waterspot death sentence if u are not diligent enough in doing regular cleaning. Yes also, wax and sealant are weaker and wear off faster than coating, but they are sacrificial layers meant to be washed off eventually and take the waterspots and other grime with them, just that u have to apply them more regularly.

So ultimately, it depends on what type of detailer u are. Are u diligent in washing, or are u diligent in waxing/apply sealants?

Just a side note, the more recent pages of this thread have talked plenty of new generation spray sealants, which are much more durable than the old ones in the past. If u are in no rush to join the coating bandwagon, why not consider buying a spray sealant and try it out first? For all u know it could be the right stuff for ur detailing style. If it works, then u save buckets of money from doing coating, if it doesnt then u can still strip your car naked and apply coating.

Anyways, just my 2 sen.
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Agree, I think I will go for coating as I wash my car every week or two. Only add RM90+ for coating compared to Turtle S&S, and my Meguairs wax paste two years but used only 20% doh.gif
Too lazy for the hassle to take out and keep the DA, wash sponge, buff off wax etc. Will use the wax for my daily old car which I rarely wash.
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post Dec 18 2019, 07:33 PM

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Finally my AvalonKing Armor Shield IX ceramic coating arrives today.
Bought it during Black Friday. I'll coat my car and share the result here
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post Jan 6 2020, 01:06 AM

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Finally applied AvalonKing coating on last weekend.
The pictures were taken today after a wash.
The glossiness and hydrophobic level is what I have expected.
A great car coat with cheaper price in comparison with Carpro etc.

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I have two bottles extra, anyone interested can pm me
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post Jan 7 2020, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(genkis3 @ Jan 6 2020, 02:32 AM)
nice work!
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QUOTE(woodentiger86 @ Jan 6 2020, 10:46 AM)
Impressive work bro! Kilat!  cool2.gif
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Thank you. Spent total 16 hours in prepping and coating.

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