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post Mar 11 2016, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 11 2016, 09:59 AM)
The problem with testing anti-ship missiles is that the target is always a empty stripped hull without the damage-control equipment and personnel of a running ship. With the target unable to mount any sort of defense (figuratively a sitting duck), the test will be more about testing the accuracy and evaluating the performance of the missile rather than its destructive effects. You're better off floating an 'x' in the middle of the ocean and shooting at that.

This will always skew the advantage of the test in favor of the missile, seeing its target is just a floating piece of hull with no means to avoid, fight back or even contain the damage. It's the equivalent of testing a tank's battle performance by shooting at a static farmhouse instead of another active, fighting tank. In the end you just get a blown up farmhouse and nothing more. You can never get the sort of data you need testing against something like that.

As far I don't think no country dare to test anti ship missiles on a fully functional ship and see how extensive the damage will be with damage-control protocols in place and working. So I take all of these tests with the usual grain of salt. rolleyes.gif
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if you have to ask.... the Falklands War witnessed the sinking of HMS Sheffield by Exocet launched by Argies.

Sinking[edit]
Sheffield was first detected by an Argentine Naval Aviation patrol aircraft Lockheed SP-2H Neptune (2-P-112) at 7:50 AM on 4 May 1982. The Neptune kept the British ships under surveillance, verifying Sheffield's position again at 8:14 and 8:43. Two Argentine Navy Super Étendards (3-A-202 and 3-A-203) both armed with Exocets took off from Río Grande, Tierra del Fuego at 9:45 and met with an Argentine Air Force tanker KC-130H Hercules at 10:00 hours.

At 10:35, the Neptune climbed to 1,170 metres (3,840 ft) and detected a large and two medium-sized contacts at the coordinates 52°33′55″S, 57°40′55″W map. A few minutes later, the Neptune contacted both Super Étendards with this information. Flying at very low altitude, around 10:50, both Super Étendards climbed to 160 metres (520 ft) to verify these contacts, but, not finding any, decided to continue. 25 miles (40 km) later they climbed again and, after a few seconds of scanning, the targets appeared on their radar screens.[4][5]

Both pilots loaded the coordinates in their weapons systems, returned to low level, and after last minute checks, launched their AM39 Exocets at 11:04 from 20 to 30 miles (32 to 48 km) away from their targets. The Super Étendards did not need to refuel from the KC-130 again, which had been waiting, and landed at Rio Grande at 12:04. Supporting the mission were an Argentine Air Force Learjet 35 as a decoy and two IAI Daggers as the KC-130 escorts[4][5]

At approximately 10 a.m. on 4 May, Sheffield was at defence watches, second degree readiness, as part of the British Task Force dispatched to the Falkland Islands during the Falklands War. Sheffield had relieved her sister Coventry as the latter was having technical trouble with her Type 965 radar.[6] Sheffield and Coventry were chatting over UHF. Communications ceased until an unidentified message was heard flatly stating "Sheffield is hit".[6]

The flagship, Hermes dispatched the escorts Arrow and Yarmouth to investigate, and a helicopter was launched. Confusion reigned until Sheffield's Lynx helicopter unexpectedly landed aboard Hermes carrying the air operations officer and operations officer,[6] confirming the strike.

Sheffield picked up the incoming missiles on her Type 965 radar (an interim fitting until the Type 1022 set was available), and the operations officer informed the missile director, who queried the contacts in the ADAWS 4 fire control system.[6] The launch aircraft had not been detected as the British had expected, and it was not until smoke was sighted that the target was confirmed as sea skimming missiles. Five seconds later, an Exocet hit Sheffield amidships, approximately 8 feet (2.4 m) above the waterline on deck 2, tearing a gash in the hull.[6] The other missile splashed into the sea half a mile off her port beam.[7]

Damage caused by the missile impact severed the high-pressure fire main on board. The resultant fire caused by burning propellant ignited diesel oil from the ready-use tanks in the engine room, and other inflammable materials used in the ship's construction. These fires burned unchecked for a number of days after the ship was abandoned.

The MOD Board of Inquiry on the sinking of the Sheffield concluded that: "Evidence indicates that the warhead did not detonate".[10] Some of the crew and members of the Task Force believe that the missile's 165 kilogram warhead had detonated.[6] This was supported by a MOD re-assessment of the loss of the 'Sheffield' which reported in Summer 2015. In a paper delivered to the RINA Warship Conference in Bath in June 2015 it was concluded that the Exocet warhead did detonate inside 'Sheffield', with the conclusion supported by analysis using modern damage analysis tools not available in 1982 and evidence from weapon hits and trials conducted since the end of the Falklands Campaign.[11]

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post Mar 21 2016, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 14 2016, 09:42 AM)
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Type 056 Coast Guard version armed with a 20mm RWS station. Also note the two fast speedboats located at the waist position, presumably for boarding parties and the aft observation bridge. thumbsup.gif

p.s. The black colored board near the radar mast is a LED message board to flash messages to other ships.
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i think it's not aft bridge per se... it's for heli ops
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post Mar 21 2016, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Mar 14 2016, 11:11 PM)
better go for ruag kawest standard, longer barrel longer range
msia have been a good customer for ruag, maybe its a possibility
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A6 standard comes with which barrel, 39 cal or 45 cal? my wet dream is paladin with 52 cal barrel tongue.gif
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post Mar 21 2016, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 21 2016, 05:05 PM)
Is it necessary to have it? The Navy version Type 056 don't have the aft bridge part. On Navy type that is where the FL-3000N (RAM) missile launcher is located.
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on most ships that have heli ops, they'll have some sort of bridge just for that purpose. and it does not involved in navigation of the ship.
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post Mar 22 2016, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 22 2016, 08:34 AM)
A M1910/30 Russian Maxim to be exact. 

The large cap on top of the water jacket is for putting in snow to cool the barrel during firing. Uniquely Russian I say.  laugh.gif
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they employ jacket cooling, that makes them Maxim heavier that modern machine guns of the same calibre.


The Maxim gun was invented by Sir Hiram Stevens Maxim in 1883, and was the first recoil-operated machine gun.[1] It has been called "the weapon most associated with the British imperial conquest".[2]
The mechanism of the Maxim gun employed one of the earliest recoil operated firing systems in history. The idea is that the energy from the recoil is used to eject each spent cartridge and insert the next one, in lieu of a locked bolt or a lever mechanism. This made it vastly more efficient and less labor-intensive than previous rapid-firing guns, such as the Mitrailleuse, Gatling, Gardner, or Nordenfelt, that relied on actual mechanical cranking. It also decreased the gas buildup in the barrel, allowing the gun to fire more bullets over an extended period of time without overheating the barrel. The Maxim gun design required water cooling, giving it the ability to maintain its rate of fire for far longer than air-cooled guns. The disadvantage of this was that it made the gun less flexible in attack than the lighter air-cooled weapons.

Trials demonstrated that the Maxim could fire 600 rounds per minute.[3] Compared to modern machine guns, the Maxim was heavy, bulky, and awkward. A lone soldier could fire the weapon, but it was usually operated by a team of men. Apart from the gunner, other crew were needed to speed reload, spot targets, and carry and ready ammunition and water. Several men were needed to move or mount the heavy weapon

It was not Russian invention, rather the Russkies bought the license to manufacture them
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post Mar 22 2016, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 22 2016, 09:44 AM)
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You're talking to me like I'm 5 years old. laugh.gif

I was saying it is unique because the Russians were the only ones to figure out they need some modification to the gun to enable them to use the one cooling material they had a lot of: snow.
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it's not only the Russ way laa. everyone else who had snow oso use wat
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post Mar 29 2016, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(BorneoAlliance @ Mar 29 2016, 01:36 PM)
aaah fark!!! up goes insurance
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post Mar 29 2016, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Mar 29 2016, 03:12 PM)
UN says disputed Falkland Islands are in Argentina territorial waters
https://www.rt.com/news/337508-argentina-te...ters-falklands/

Falkland Islands lie in Argentinian waters, UN commission rules
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/ma...s-un-commission

oh UN you funny boy

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un ruling may give the falklands back to the argies

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argentine minister says "historic occasion"

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the falklands war is for nuthin' then?
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hahaha lawak this UN. of course it's in the argies waters but does it belong to them argies? does argies has effective control over the island the last few hundred years rclxub.gif
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post Mar 30 2016, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Mar 30 2016, 01:41 AM)
there you go the answer to ur question, both av8 that you see are deftechs prototype vehicle so the its up to them (deftech) how to transport it, its not up to the military

manpower? just call them up?
spoil? those things are that fragile?
no full assembled? engine can run can jalan to assembly area ady?

im not convinced with your reasoning charles
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itu pun nak gaduh ke? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
kereta pun, dari kilang naik car carrier. xde sapa bising.
reasons? mileage, guarantee, bla bla bla, etc etc.
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post Mar 30 2016, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Mar 30 2016, 10:48 AM)
Argentina doesn't even have a jet-capable air force any more IIRC. Just stoking the protek maruah fire to turn Argies' eyes away from their shyt economy.
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even argies recent tries to get ex-spanish mirage f1's oso kena blocked by UK. kesian argies. hahahaha
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post Mar 31 2016, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Mar 31 2016, 09:13 AM)
Indonesia awaits Philippines' green-light to free abducted sailors

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JAKARTA: The Indonesian government is waiting to hear from its Philippine counterpart about its decision on whether Jakarta can take part in a rescue operation to free 10 Indonesians allegedly abducted by Islamic militant group Abu Sayyaf in southern Philippines, police chief Badrodin Haiti told reporters on Wednesday (Mar 30).

"We are waiting for co-ordinations that will decide whether the Philippine government will allow us to go there (southern Philippines)," Indonesian media Kompas quoted General Haiti as saying.

The ten Indonesians are crew members on board a tugboat and barge suspected to be hijacked by the militants last week, when they were travelling from Borneo island to Batangas in southern Philippines. The vessels were carrying 7,000 tonnes of coal. The tug boat has been released.

The captives are believed to be held on the islands of Sulu or Basilan, strongholds of the Abu Sayyaf militant group.

An unidentified person claiming to represent the Abu Sayyaf called the owner of the vessels and demanded a ransom of 50 million pesos or just over US$1 million. A local media report said the group has threatened to kill the hostages unless the ransom is paid by April 8, citing a video posted on a Facebook account linked to the militants group.

Following the incident, Indonesia's Eastern Fleet mobilised a number of war ships to the location where the abduction is believed to have taken place.

"Based on our coordination with the Philippine military, we already know the location. It is in the Philippine territories. They know the location," said General Gatot Nurmantyo, commander-in-chief of the Indonesian Armed Forces.

General Gatot said he had informed his Philippine counterpart of the Indonesian military’s readiness to be part of the rescue operation.

Abu Sayyaf, which operates from remote jungle bases in the southern Philippines, was founded in the 1990s with the help of late Al-Qaeda mastermind Osama bin Laden.

It has been blamed for a string of attacks, including the deadliest in the nation's history, the 2004 Manila Bay ferry bombing that claimed more than 100 lives.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapa...ts/2649194.html
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Brimob, Kopassus, Denjaka and Paskhas aren't they?
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post Mar 31 2016, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Mar 31 2016, 12:34 PM)
their only choice to go into the sulu is by rogue/black mission, its practically next to impossible to get them pilak gomen to let a foreign elements operates a clandestine mission on their soil, not even the mighty uncle sam can pressure them to let their sof to mount a rescue ops for their own us citizen

them pilak tactics is to just bulldoze thru the suspected hiding places with full on military barrages and hopes for the hostages to escape in confusion, a tactic that unfortunately mostly ended with grim result
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thus reminds me of the Manila tourist bus fiasco mad.gif mad.gif
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post Mar 31 2016, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(IReallyNeed Answers @ Mar 31 2016, 12:49 PM)
did i just heard KM SIAKAP?

our version of McBoaty? haha
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She was from Fisheries Department, hence the Siakap.
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post Apr 4 2016, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(mlab88 @ Apr 4 2016, 10:32 AM)
You think too highly of our military, they can't even secure Sabah from Sulu! Got, kidnap by pirates maybe, themselves!
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y don't ypu enroll in the military before looking down on the guys who put their lives for us?

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post Apr 5 2016, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Apr 5 2016, 08:11 AM)
Sejak bila RELA keje free? Nothing is free la..... Btw mamat ni respect org keje depan dia je. Tentera keje jauh kt sempadan,  mmg x nampak sbb tu tak respect. Dipersilakan.... I invite u to join any patrol conducted by our security forces at the border. Sblm tu bwk siap2 insect repellent ye & pil seasick ye. Nanti muntah hijau pulak
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i would like to see him do that bro. hahaha!
Jom ke laut jom! if he scared to join any navy / mmea / polis marine vessels, i can tumpang him on board one of mine.
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post Apr 11 2016, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Apr 10 2016, 07:21 PM)
in fact, tell the pinoy to butt out and just secure the perimeter, maintain a siege..let M'sia and Indonesia go in and handle this shit..after bombarding the place to kingdom come with thousands of tonnes of ordnance..  brows.gif
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don't forget to claim all expenses from Respubliki Philippinski oso tongue.gif
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post Apr 11 2016, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(Hemmett7 @ Apr 11 2016, 11:34 PM)
LTZ would not happy..later he turn into rage mode..how?
and what problem with Grippen single seat and engine? janji boleh ronda2 and escort jet asing keluar cukup lah. buat lah cara tak cukup budgets...kan kata urgent need nak replace aging mig29

Typhoon for pandan? need hangar with aircond? dont remember who say this...haha
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single engine jets won't be enough to ensure safe passage between air bases in Peninsular to Borneo and return. Remember the Skyhawks of yonder years which crashed in SCS? TUDM learnt from that hence no single engine jets
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post Apr 12 2016, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Apr 11 2016, 11:56 PM)
err.. the bae hawks is single engine and they are regularly fly back and forth to east msia and stationed over there
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Not tasked for Air Superiority right?
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post Apr 12 2016, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Apr 12 2016, 12:08 AM)
neither do the skyhawks, as their role is fighter-bomber and when the skyhawks is retired the bae hawks comes as replacement
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indeed. and the the requirement is MRCA, correct? heavier payload, further range, superior performance, etc, etc
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post Apr 12 2016, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Apr 12 2016, 12:40 AM)
because cheapest on initial cost but in long run might not be the case
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