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Investment THE PARK 2 @ PAVILION BUKIT JALIL [OWNERS' THREAD], Malton to launch Final Phase of BJC

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icemanfx
post Mar 2 2016, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Mar 2 2016, 11:51 AM)
yeah... frankly speaking there are a lot of other options with larger sizes... haha.... any bukit jalil investors willing to share why you all vested in this area even if it is high density, high pricing, highly traffic congestion, highly reliance on the success of the new mall....  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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Expect high to get higher.

icemanfx
post Jan 15 2019, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(dz91 @ Jan 14 2019, 11:59 PM)
no need to argue
why waste time ?
only time will tell

in investment , we always heard " aiya , i should have bought this 10 years back , i should have bought this 20 years back "
but in fact give them another opportunity again , they will still miss it

thats what make some people millionaire and some just common folks

one men meat is another men poison

u got ur own view , we got ours

u can stay invest in your subang / kajang / klang and what ever place

and lets look back this thread 10 years later

malton and desmond Lim is not stupid enough to throw billion and built a failing mall with the most successful Brand he created , the "pavilion" name

so what is it he had spotted in this land and we dont ?
you think you can outsmart him ?
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According to some wealth report, only about 3% of adults in this country have over us$100k net worth.

historically, residential property price rise at about inflation rate in the long term. by inflation alone, price will be significantly higher in 10 years time. as most buy property with bank loan; if price rise lower than loan interest incurred is a monetary loss.

property is a zero sum game; investor/buyer and developer are on different side of the same coin; what is good for developer may not be true for buyer/investor; developer get the first bite of cherry and whatever is left behind is for buyer/investor.

During last property bull run, some advocated to follow tan sri of ew and ms, and see what happen to many of them now? pavilion may be prominent and successful at bb, doesn't mean it's name is a sure win e.g da men mall at usj.

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post Jan 15 2019, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(morris6660 @ Jan 15 2019, 01:10 PM)
those who say pavilion2 are no good, all are stupid, this project if not good can be sold all? you think all investor are stupid only you smart? what i worry just this pavillion2  no those world class brand.. will be minus a little bit
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investors are certainly not stupid but could be blinded by greed.

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post Jan 15 2019, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(morris6660 @ Jan 15 2019, 04:15 PM)
when pavillion done then comfirm u up the rental the tenants also wont run......
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QUOTE(morris6660 @ Jan 15 2019, 04:46 PM)
just call to malton team, they say world class brand LV GUCCI PRADA STILL Discuss....
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don't forget to consider competition from trx and pnb 118 mall.

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post Jan 17 2019, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Jan 17 2019, 11:18 PM)
I think Park 2 is a pretty safe investment.

Behind the project is a public park that will never be changed. In front are shops and malls.

I saw some talking about the mall won't do as good etc. but in my opinion, if you are living there, you don't need another Mid Valley. In fact, if it performs like Da Men or Subang Parade it is already a good enough place to satisfy one's needs.

Got cinema, shops and food stalls with moderate traffic, it is a blessing more than than anything. Who needs a super busy mall like mid valley in front of where you live? Sure it will affect the tenancy (Maybe high end brands aren't going to be one of your tenants) but I believe they are more than capable to survive and if you think it will be a dead mall, it won't happen with 3 blocks of highly dense residencies (fully sold), not even considering the other high rise projects from LBS within the vicinity, that alone is enough to sustain the mall's traffic.

If the project is like Tropicana Metropark, residencies take up rate half hanging and getting worse overtime, Mall plan uncertain and commercial shops are in the brink of failure THEN I can say it is a risky project.

Pavilion BJ? With the shops already done developed, a Mall is in construction and a fully taken up park residence with Park 2 almost completely sold out, it is safe to say that you won't regret investing in this project for own stay. Hack, the public park alone with a link bridge from your residence to it is already a good enough incentive while so many other projects like Tropicana Metropark have absolutely nothing but manufacturing plants around it.
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Can a 1.8 million sq ft lettable mall survive as a neighbourhood mall? of those residencies sold, how many will be occupied in first 2 to 3 years?

QUOTE(dz91 @ Jan 17 2019, 09:55 PM)
Reit got policy
Only can acquire assest which give higher return then currently owned assest

New mall need times to be mature
Common practice in all reit
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Normally, a mall need to be over 85% occupied and generate respectable return before reit could buy.

QUOTE(morris6660 @ Jan 17 2019, 11:26 PM)
thats means pavillion 2 are no manage by pavillion Already?????
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believe da men at usj is managed by pavilion.

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post Jan 17 2019, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(naqib0307 @ Jan 17 2019, 11:39 PM)
u need to call your malton guy lor tomorrow and only time will tell. Btw no need to worry so much, at least u can stay there next to a big mall lol. Also, a wise man once said
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For developer, money is made from selling residential. Mall is a catalyst to attract residential buyers.
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post Jan 18 2019, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(ramshackle @ Jan 18 2019, 01:27 PM)
https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...itive-reaction/

Under the new guidelines, at least 75% of a REIT’s total asset value must be invested in real estate that generates recurrent rental income at all times.

Previously, at least 50% of a REIT’s total asset value must be invested in real estate and/or single-purpose companies at all times.
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Could mean this mall currently has less than 75% of lettable area committed, forecast rental income is lower than reit's asking or both.

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post Jan 18 2019, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Jan 18 2019, 10:58 PM)
Where did you even get the figure 450-550? LBS which is a leasehold in that area already cost 700+ and that is a mid level serviced apartment.

Also, bear in mind "average" for service apartment is not a good measure for new projects.

If that is the case, you are making EVERY SINGLE new project look like SHIT.

Lot 15 and Isola for example, priced at 900-1000 whereas the average for serviced apartment is 500+ only. Bear in mind this is statistic from edge property, I posted this few months back. The thing is, YOU DID NOT take the project specs into consideration. Lot 15 is a high spec project hence you can see the price difference.

Park 2 is definitely a HIGH spec project, it is obvious that the price is not your "average" price.

Pavilion mall did not cancel, what the hell are you even talking about? It is just that Pavilion REIT not going to take charge of Pavilion bukit jalil.

I can tell you clearly din't do your homework when you make up your argument.
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How much value does a mall add to residential? how many people wanted to live near a busy mall? where is busiest during weekend and holiday and when most people wanted to rest.

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post Jan 19 2019, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(morris6660 @ Jan 19 2019, 12:02 AM)
got mall comfirm add value, good rental income make good capital gain....
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How many and who are the tenants will pay high rental for units near to mall? how much value has paradiem mall, sunway velocity mall, da men mall, one city mall, mv, etc added to nearby residential?

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post Jan 19 2019, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(morris6660 @ Jan 19 2019, 12:12 AM)
all the hot project got nearby mall... its because easy to get tenants, or doing airbnb.....
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More like developer build mall to sell residential.

Who are the tenants want to stay near mall? On Airbnb, what would room rental and occupancy rate? If there is a demand for hotel room, developer would build hotel on top of the mall.
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post Jan 19 2019, 05:34 PM

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Historically, where lovers name calling those different in opinion, the place is cursed e g cbj, Ms projects, etc. It will only take VP to find out.

Many Ms projects showed, project could be sold out doesn't mean price will appreciate after vped or has strong demand in rental or subsale.

If the project is to depend on a shopping mall to success; given amount of oversupply in retail space in kv, the project is vulnerable.

KL eco city is near to mv, how does it fare since vped? Why this place won't end in same fate?

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post Jan 20 2019, 11:24 AM

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The success of pavilion bb is due to location, concept, layout, products mix, management, etc or brand name alone? Could suria klcc, 1u, mv, Taipei 101, ifc hk, etc replicate their success elsewhere? If yes, have they?

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post Jan 20 2019, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Jan 20 2019, 01:56 PM)
No, I'm not a BJ Investor. I just like to go around and disprove people who likes to make up nonsense as if property talk is a kopitiam section.

Whenever I post a point, I will back it up with facts and if I post something that is non factual, I will say it is my opinion. However, some people (especially those with many stars) in this forum likes to think their assumptions are facts and when we ask them about it, they will just shy away from an actual argument or the question as a whole. I felt that at least I am doing my part in contributing to this forum for genuine buyers who actually rely on the forum for helpful insight and to disproved those who likes to make shit up in a serious forum.
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Similarly for those with vested interest, exaggerate facts and potential.

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post Jan 23 2019, 05:31 PM

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As a developer and investor, will obtain higher value after the mall is completed and operation. Malton corp actively looking for buyer/investor during construction stage for reasons. what could that be?


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post Jan 23 2019, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(Cocoon @ Jan 23 2019, 05:58 PM)
Building a mall is capital intensive. It is best to get a fund to invest in it and the team can focus on development as well as getting quality tenants.
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No doubt is very capital intensive and funding is supposed to secure before commencing. Are you implying the developer is running short of funds to complete?

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post Jan 23 2019, 06:04 PM

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Double posted

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post Jan 23 2019, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(Cocoon @ Jan 23 2019, 06:17 PM)
i am not implying they are running out of fund. It is always best to invite low cost of capital investors such as pension funds to invest along the way.

Take Pavilion KL as an example, they got KFH as investor subsequently sold to QIA.

BJ Sentral, MRCB has the backing of EPF to invest in the project including commercial space.
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When did kfh invested in pavilion KL? Before or after completion?

When did mrcb obtained funding from epf, before or after construction begin?
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post Jan 23 2019, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(Cocoon @ Jan 23 2019, 09:24 PM)
I am lazy. Yawn.

Do your own research ... Yawn...
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http://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/mrcb...l-land-disposal

Not that you are lazy but avoid to answer.

Normally, corporates sign nda and maintain silent until have obtained most if not all approvals. To announce before due diligence has even commence is unusual. As results of due diligence could goes either way.

There is no smoke without fire.

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post Jan 25 2019, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(dz91 @ Jan 25 2019, 07:39 PM)
Yes
Qatar is buying 100% stake in pav bukit Jalil
Changing name to pav Harrod
First in Malaysia
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If Qatar has 100% ownership, it doesn't need pav brand, could rename to Harrod bj. Harrods more high class than pav. May be Arabs will sapu all units in surrounding area, BBB.

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post Jan 30 2019, 02:43 AM

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QUOTE(morris6660 @ Jan 29 2019, 11:55 PM)
When Got New Mall and new airbnb to stay aND BIG lifestyle MALL.. who else still go old mall.......
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If like that mv, 1u, suria klcc, pav bb, etc should close shop liao.


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