Personally all this time I have been struggling to install woofer as the main part for my ICE...



But lately... after reading through a few post in these forums... I have been thinking... songs played with subwoofer is good... but what about songs with great speakers but no subwoofer?


So currently I have these setup in my mind... which one is better for me to get?

HU + Great front component speakers

or

HU + so so component speakers + so so amplifier + so so subwoofer



Both are priced at the same tag price... around 1.5k or something. I always like music wif subwoofer... and I always think that a setup without subwoofer is cacat and the song produce will never sound good (I think I got myself hooked with PC 2.1 speakers too much already )... but then I listened to my friend's headphone Philips SHP-895 and it sound very clear and crisp... and ofcourse headphone don't have woofer right??? I think it is much better from my PC speakers... while the price is the same... both cost around RM250++...


So I wonder... what if I didn't buy a woofer... but install a good component speaker first in my car...

Any comment on these??



*Very sorry if this topic is lame... but this thing really bother me to some extent that I can't think of any other things than head unit and speakers. Everything I read also spells Alpine, Kenwood, and stuff like that

bro, firstly use ur original thread u opened earlier .....no need to create a lot of thread to ask each question....can mod please merge this thread to earlier Phoenixwunin's thread....

anyway, go for first option that is HU + front comp set ....since u are sitting in car up front, most of the time u will be listening to music ....do something for urself first then think of others in da back...hahaha....

I think ur concern is here is lack of bass, thats why u need a sub badly (addicted to PC speaker's sub hehehe) ....front comps can give u reasonable bass but not exactly to an extend that no sub is needed at all ....a setup without a sub is not a complete setup...

a sub cannot really function without an amp (meaning u might end up spending more than RM1.5K for a good sub and amp), use the current budget RM1.5K for front staging meaning a good comp set and HU ....then save up a liitle bit more for a good amp and sub.....

there shud be no problem if there is no sub for now ...by the way wat car u using and wat kind of music u listening?

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 27 2006, 01:13 AM

ICE without subwoofer like lack something...
Subwoofer produce the low frequency that the mid bass can't produce...

Sorry... forgot about the topic I have opened before

Hope moderators can merge it I'm very-very sorry...


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If that is the case... I think I will get a good speaker first. Upped my budget from RM200 for component speaker to RM700 for it...

Is this a good budget just for the component speakers only??

Regarding HU... haven't bought one yet... dunno which one should I buy... but my main concern here is speaker first. I really hope RM700 is sufficeint for beginners like me



Oh... what do you guys think of setup with good HU + good component speakers + chipalang amp + chipalang woofer. Will it sound good?? Cause as far as I'm concern woofer only produce the boom.. boom sound rite?? Seems like not important enough to buy the expensive ones... though shocker is rite... my main problem in setup-ing my ICE now is subwoofer... really want that boom.. boom thing.



For the moment my ride is only Kancil... thought of changing it to Satria next year (but I think the chance is only 30% now... since I think I like my Kancil very much now... spend too much money in that ride already )... and the music I listen too are like One in a Million by Bosson, I Wish I had an Angle by Nightwish and sometimes... the only Korean song I like... Sweet Dream by Jang Na Ra. Dunno how should I say about the type of music I listen most... but basically I like those of techno.. rock and fast paced music... yet sometimes slow type music like Hotel California and calm + fun music like the korean Sweet Dream.


Anyway if I decided not to change my ride... which means I will be using this Kancil for my ICE... what sort of speakers would you all recommend??

RM700 is like healthy budget for beginners like u ....but mind to tell u that u cant get fantastic bombastic speakers in the market ....even at about RM1K u can only get good entry level like MB Quart discus series (which is entry level in MBQ brand)....perhaps u know where to look, u might get a good mid level speakers like DLS referance series at RM1K...

to say if RM700 for speakers can feel huge difference for beginners, that is like correct statement lor ...on HU, if u are using standard OEM one, then changing those speakers will make a difference but u cant really tune ur setup to wat u like ...standard HUs normally doesnt come with functions to adjust bass and treble, normally very limited function but there is some good standard HUs give u more than u need....

example like wat I did is that leave on standard speakers first, change the HU first and roughly tune the HU to match the speakers and my music taste, slowly by slowly I realised that standard speakers cannot tahan high pitch sound, they will sound breaking up, so now Im looking to change those speakers ler....



well if u ask a honest and good setup, forget those chaplang amp and woofer, think of good HU and front speakers first ....if u think later those chaplang amp and woofer is not good enuff then u kena change again also wat...might as well go for something good once and use it for a sometime lor rather than making constant unneccessary upgrades...

there is no short cut to success, same goes for ICE .....u can take or buy a fake degree and get a good job somewhere, then we u got sick working there u sure want to go apply work elsewhere and suddenly hiring managers elsewhere and everywhere realised u are using fake degree to apply jobs, then u die lor....have to actually start taking the real degree from bottoms up ....same thing for ICE lor....

wat we trying to do here is to assist ppl the right path and save money along the way, we can recommend u something that fits ur budget but end of the day its ur money and how u spend it is up to u ....if u feel things are expensive, then u have 3 options: 1. buy ICE stuffs that are not expensive, mostly like entry level stuff....2. buy 2nd hand used ICE stuffs that might be better than entry level stuff....3. save up more money or upgrade slowly....



OK, wen selecting speakers dont see wat car u are using .....ppl normally ask wat car u driving due to want to see whether its a big, huge, small or mid size car.....also want to see if there is some space in the trunk to put up subs......some cars (example myvi) cannot put 6.5 inch component speaker at front doors due to no standard panel readily made by perodua.....speaker selection shud be done based on music preference, personal liking (meaning u like it since u listened to it) and budget allocated for it...

as for recommending speakers based on ur music taste, I cant do it la since Im not a expert .....anyway, someone did tell me sometime back that for a versatile music like u listening (different types of music), JBL GTO component sets can do the job quite well....

sorry for the long story

so if u're really into going to high end stage
i strongly suggest u to split ur budget and split ur plans into few phase

phase 1: a good HU, HU is the cd reader, a system sounds good or bad strongly depend on the HU quality.. not to be missed is the CD... some ppl like me... will put HU into the last phase...cos my current HU is adequate for me...so it's up to the user to determine whether it's needed to change so desperately or not... things to look at: RCA output, voltage, other function e.g. x-over, TA etc

phase 2: good pairs of comps.. comps are to be install for the front.. all the main details are coming out from this device...so like it anot...this is where i spend most of my money here... very much depend on ur future choice of amp, bcos a bright amp paired up with bright comps sounds awful... so choosing the corrent comps for now...and choosing the corrent amp for the future is important... it's a waste like me to change my comps twice bcos my upgrade of amp makes my system sounds more crappy... things to look at is: dome material, midbass performance, power requirement

phase 3. amp.. sound signal amplification...the parts of the amp will determine the sound characteristics... so choosing an amp to pair with ur comps is important...things to look at: RMS power at 4ohm, characteristic, class

phase 4. sub woofer... a meal without a dessert is something not good..same like a sub... it gives all the drum sounds an extend to the lower freq...a good sub is to be feel..not to be heard..a good sub is meant for the passenger...not to the pedestrians....a good sub can produce low freq.. no vocal shud be heard.. sub feel shud be feel at the front...not at the back...things to look at: 2/4/8ohm, power requirement, freq

overall cables is as important of any of the above 4, good cable wont oxidize fast... and will deliver all of the details... power cable ..4awg is a minimum requirement for the amp... an amp working at full power only can release the full potential of the speakers

good advice from sifu driftmeister .....more technical and good for even intermediate users...

Nice to hear from driftmeister(our expert) advide !

Now.. I have a doubt ..
What component should match with Dynamic amp, if looking for vocal sound...
Should Dynamic amp match with euro component like DLS, Dynaudio or Morel for vocal?

This post has been edited by loon1031: Dec 27 2006, 11:25 PM

i think it would depend on your preference. Some people prefer warm sound system would pair a warm speaker with a warm amp and vice versa. Do don't let people tell you warm is better or bright is better as everyone is different. What you can do is listen to people's setup and if you like it as what is he using. Then maybe you can consider what you want. And demo different pairs of speakers and amps

in layman's term
bright comps shud be "tame" by warm amp
and bright amp shud be "tame" by warm comps

but all this is just a reference
most important is the user himself
if he likes the sounds of bright amp + bright comps like those in so call IASCA judges and winners
why not?

Hmm.. you right...!
Any good model the warm component introduce? I need match with my bright amp

This post has been edited by loon1031: Dec 28 2006, 03:11 PM

wow... learnt new things today from our sifu driftmeister...


Thanks a lot... now got plenty of new idea on how to setup my ice...

Eh..sorry tumpang your thread awhile? DEH-1650 can put sub?

Because I have a dynamic amp ARC Audio...but I prefer listen to vocal..!
Just wonder should match with with warm component ..?!

mari mari pinjam me
i test for you
i got warm components

Sifu ah my 1650 can put sub ma?

Every HU can put sub la...

put sub...can....power up by an amp

Phew..luckily i thought need to change hu again coz my HU only got one RCA...Dang i thought of putting x-over eh.

1 set of preout usually for sub i think
i saw the manual for 4850 and the perout for sub only according to manual

This post has been edited by (N)3: Dec 28 2006, 04:57 PM