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post Apr 30 2016, 10:22 AM

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Dear all Sifus,

Please give me some input according to your experience and knowledge. I'm currently using Panasonic HTiB SC-PT580.
Panasonic SA-PT580

I want to know if I plan to buy an AVR to experience at least Dolby True HD, DTS HDMA and a minimulm DTS, can I reuse the speakers and subwoofer?

My HTiB currently support Dolby sound only. What I read on website, the subwoofer is 250w 6 ohm, center 250w 6 ohm, front left right and rear left right 125w 3 ohm. Can those speakers coop with the AVR? I'm not really know which AVR model yet. With this HTiB, the max volume I ever test was around 60%. Average about 50%.

If I can't use back the speakers, i need to spend more money.Unfortunately, i don't have a bottomless wallet here.
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post Apr 30 2016, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 30 2016, 07:19 PM)
Are you sure it only supports Dolby Digital? How come it says under its manual it supports DTS then?
You sure you are bitstreaming correctly?

To answer your question, no it wouldn't be advisable (if it's even possible) to use them with a receiver. Your sub is passive type for one and all of those power ratings are complete bullshit anyways. Not only that, those speakers are likely very low impedance (perhaps 2 or 3 ohms, usually). Majority of consumer-grade receivers cannot handle that kind of load into speakers without clipping or auto-shutting off at high volumes.

So yes, that leaves you back at square one:

1) Spend some money to do a proper HT system and do it right.
2) Stick with what you have check your settings to see why can't you have DTS decoded (which is weird, because the manual says it does).
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I'm aware of DTS support but it only can if I play DTS from DVD. I'm using media player. If I set it to bitstream, no sound will come out. I'm using optical cable from media player to HTiB. If Dolby, no problem at all.

Regarding my question, if I want to setup a new HT, what is a minimum budget I need to allocate? At least it can give me a bit of idea about budget. At least the AVR i buy will give a same result if not better compared to my HTiB. If I know about budget, then I can plan to start saving from now. I don't need a big speakers but at least it can coop with the load from AVR.
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post May 1 2016, 02:12 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 30 2016, 11:35 PM)
Then it's your media player that doesn't support carrying DTS from optical out, not your HTiB player problem.

If you go all second hand, you could get away with a 5.1 setup at relatively low budget; say around RM4k+ including an entry level AVR. My suggestion, you set aside a fixed budget and get the best left, center and right channels + a decent receiver first. Then add the surrounds when you have a higher budget.

Popular and decent entry level mid-fi speakers range from Pioneer's AJ series and Sony Core Series speakers. They're relatively cheap, offer good sound and a great value.
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Actually it was a common issue for Panasonic system via optical. I read it in AVS forum.

I.think its not easy to find a secondhand avr and speaker. I lurking at Onkyo and Denon website. The price is around 2k-3k. May I know where can I check the speakers info? Only found a few in lazada.
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post May 26 2016, 11:26 PM

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Hi All,

Please enlighten me with a silly question. Does AVR support FM receiver? Currently using HTiB which have FM Receiver. I have a target to buy an AVR maybe in two years from now.

Another question, regarding subwoofer I just read and found out there's a various design of subwoofer. The type i read was downfire cabinet. What do you guys think of this design. Is it better when the subwoofer pump out the sound to the floor?
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post May 27 2016, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(dirtrun @ May 27 2016, 08:13 AM)
The Receiver in Audio Video Receiver is supposed to be a FM receiver..

Subwoofer design is the least of your worries..
I hv a sealed Rythmik F15 - front firing and an ol SvS PB12+ - downfiring one and they sound a tad different but not to the extent tat it matters even if l use both together..
Personally room modes and subwoofer positioning should be more of a concern..

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I thought i used a wrong word. FM tuner is the correct word that I'm suppose to use.
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post May 27 2016, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ May 27 2016, 06:10 PM)
As bro dirtrun already explained, sub designs don't actually sound a whole lot different from one another. They aren't tweeters, which are instantly noticeable from one design to the other.

The most important thing when choosing a sub is:

1) The placement of it (this is CRITICAL)
2) How big your space is
3) How many are you putting in the room

Ported subs will always have higher SPL than sealed subs. Doesn't matter where the driver is placed, front firing, down firing, side firing or upside down firing. Bass waves are mostly omni directional, where under 20hz you won't hear bass anymore instead you will FEEL them.

Generally people believe that sealed subs will sound more accurate than ported subs. Where ported subs will sound "slow or sloppy", uncontrolled. That's true for the toy subs made by joke companies like logitech or edifier or some "insert cool x name here" brand.
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Thank you Bro SSJ and Dirtrun. Now I learn more new stuff. Sealed sub and port sub. May i know if YAMAHA sub good enough for movies considering it well placed in a room.

My room size about 12x10x10. The tv will placed at 12' wall and viewing distance maybe around 8-9 feet considering other furniture such as sofa.
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post May 29 2016, 01:09 AM

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Thank you all.

Actually the more i dig about AVR the more poison i get. Before, i thought i just want to enjoy dolby true hd and dts Hd. But after i read about Atmos, my mind now thinking I should aim to get an AVR with Atmos supporr. Hopefully the price will drop a bit for AVR that come with Atmos next year.

My mind now thinking if any Atmost AVR available together with 5 speakers, i will go for it. Later i will invest for a good subwoofer. For front, center and rear speaker...any package will do.
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post May 29 2016, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ May 29 2016, 03:15 AM)
If you want to do Atmos, do it properly.

By that I mean by actually getting a receiver capable of doing 5.x.4 or 7.x.2 at the least. The mid-range receivers only capable for 7 channel processing is actually somewhat pointless. 5.x.2 is really only viable in small rooms (under 1400cu feet). Plan your room size, plan how long it will take for you to get everything in order. Getting a mid-range 7 channel AVR is pointless if you plan to do Atmos in a reasonably medium or large size room as there's really very little "future proofing" with AVRs now a days even if pretty much all the major features are already there.

Also, get your bed channels right first before considering Atmos. Spend as much as your speaker budget allows on the LCR. Get some decent surround channels, place them properly at the optimal height. After all that, then you worry about the overhead channels. Atmos is nice and all, but its benefits is really only worthwhile when you get everything else right first.
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Thank you. I consider my room is small. I will consider either 5.1.2 or 5.1.4. More than that impossible already.

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post May 30 2016, 01:44 AM

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QUOTE(jovigrunge @ May 29 2016, 11:21 PM)


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Now I wonder if Atmos system will mess up with 7.1 system. Like what said in the video, most Bluray source came with 7.1 audio. What will happen to the 2 channel of audio which suppose to be placed at left and right of the room but now it in the ceiling. This situation is considering a bluray without atmos audio track. Will it become weird?

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post May 30 2016, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ May 30 2016, 03:31 PM)
No it won't.
With most receivers that has Atmos/DTS:X, you can do 2 things depending on your setup.

1) If it's a 5.x.4/2 setup, enabling DSU or Neural X will simply upmix the surround back channels and whatever faux height info to the overhead/height speakers.
2) Don't enable anything, use your receiver's "straight" mode. If you only have a 5 channel as your bed layers, the receiver will automatically mix the surround back info into the surround left/right speakers.

I've tested every iteration of Atmos/DTSX setup commercially available by now, from 7.x.4 to 5.x.2. At no point did a 7.1 mix sounded weird or off. Enabling DSU/NeuralX will make them behave like they are Atmos/DTSX tracks. Some movies it works very well, some not quite.

Also understand that not ALL movies with a 7.1 track are actually recorded as proper 7.1 channels. Many from the mid 2000s have a fake internal upmix from 5.1 into a 7.1 track.
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Thanks. Really appreciate your explanation.
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post Jun 4 2016, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Jun 4 2016, 07:25 AM)
Silver will be a better choice
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Bro Sonerin,

May I know what model of AVR u use? Actually I'm now doing some survey before i buy the receiver. However, what i found currently in Malaysia the AVR that came with Atmos and DTS X is still limited. I can say i found it most were ONKYO brand.

Another thing, what's the recommended AVR wattage for small home theater room? I'm planning from now to setup a 7.1 system and use a 5.1.2 atmos layout in that room.
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post Jun 4 2016, 05:07 PM

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Thank you.

I still have a plenty of time. Hope starting next year, when a more model in the market and hopefully the price will go down a bit. My budget can't be more than 4k. Within that budget, I'm willing to maximize the chanel wattage output as high as i can.

The rest i have to look to completing it with a speaker and a sub.
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post Jun 5 2016, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 4 2016, 12:58 PM)
Marantz SR5010 is RM3.3k or less, pretty decent receiver with Atmos and DTSX.

Either that or wait for the Yamaha v681/v781 or A860.
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Marrantz price as per you mention really attractive. Actually I'm at northern region and currently not so many shop I can visit. Maybe sometime I must try to look in Penang also.

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post Jun 7 2016, 09:20 PM

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Hi sifu sifu,

I want your opinion about speaker package here. Please refer link Pioneer. Is this good enough for movies in a small 10x12 room?
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post Jun 7 2016, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(jovigrunge @ Jun 7 2016, 09:27 PM)
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PIONEER S-ES21 HOME CINEMA 5PCS SPEAKER

HOME CINEMA 5PCS SPEAKER
Weight: 12.9kg

RM 799.00

S-ES21-LR-K/-T
Tall-Boy Speakers

› Enclosure: Bass-Reflex Floorstanding Type
› 16 cm Cone x 1, 16 cm Passive Cone x 1, 5.2 cm Cone x 1
› Frequency Range: 40 Hz-20 kHz
› Impedance: 8 ohms
› Sensitivity (1W/M): 84 dB
› Maximum Power: 150 W
› Magnetically Shielded
› Dimensions (W x H x D): 220 x 910 x 247 mm
› Weight (each): 9.0 kg
S-ES21CR-K/-T
Centre and Surround Speakers

› Enclosure: Bass-Reflex Bookshelf Type
› 10 cm Cone x 2 (Centre), 10 cm Cone x 1 (Surround)
› Frequency Range: 52 Hz-19 kHz (Centre), 62 Hz-19 kHz
(Surround)
› Impedance: 8 ohms
› Sensitivity (1W/M): 84 dB (Centre), 79 dB (Surround)
› Maximum Power: 120 W (Centre/Surround)
› Magnetically Shielded (Centre)
› Wall Mount Bracket (Surround)
› Dimensions (W x H x D): 350 x 130 x 172 mm (Centre), 180 x 130
x 172 mm (Surround)
› Weight (each): 2.5 kg (Centre), 1.4 kg (Surround)

Looks pretty decent but Pioneer speakers? I never had one so can't comment much.  hmm.gif
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I'm also doubt about it. Especially with the price.
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post Jun 9 2016, 11:30 PM

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How do you all think about 11street? Can you really trust them and buy an AVR from them? Based on Google, many user not satisfied with their service. Did you hear any case the item not delivered?
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post Jun 10 2016, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(jovigrunge @ Jun 10 2016, 12:45 AM)
I wouldn't buy any electronic stuff from website. Go to the shop, test it and even if you face any problem in the future, it's easier to send for repair.  smile.gif
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QUOTE(ktek @ Jun 10 2016, 10:30 AM)
11street is middle man or drop shipping. behind has a real seller which not reveal identity.

any issue hapen, middle man wont care much. so do u care ma?
scam. damaged postage, not deliver on time. out of stok. slow refund. u tanggung.

cheap2 item no issue la. big item i wont buy fron these middle man website.
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Thank for your warning. I manage to find a local audiophile shop. First step is to get an amp with a pair of speaker and slowly add a subwoofer, surround and finally ceiling speaker.
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post Jun 10 2016, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(steplee @ Jun 10 2016, 02:37 PM)
mind to share where the shop is? i am looking for something like that too. rgrs..
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Boss, I'm not sure whether u aware I'm in northern region. I'm currently at SP kedah.

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post Jun 17 2016, 10:30 PM

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How about speakers? Will you all buy from online if it cheaper than local shop? At least price different more than Rm200.
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post Aug 9 2016, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(myxery @ Aug 9 2016, 10:54 AM)
@SSJBen, need your opinion. Currently i am using yamaha 377 pair with basic onkyo 5.1 speakers. After go through 32 pages of this thread i decided to buy sony ss cs3 floorstander to use as my front speaker. My question is will my v377 able to drive cs3?

Looking fwd to hear from you.
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Hi Myxery,

May you share your view of onkyo 5.1 speakers? I have a plan to setup first HT to replace my HTiB. Now still undecide whether to buy separate speaker or 5.1 package speakers. As a HTiB user, I only focus on movies.


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