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post Feb 5 2016, 08:38 PM, updated 10y ago

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since you in this line.

really they pay so high?



what about dentist?
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post Feb 5 2016, 08:41 PM

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But when i come, they always not there
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post Feb 5 2016, 08:42 PM

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even fresh graduate get so high salary?

more then engineer salary

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post Feb 5 2016, 08:42 PM

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not 10k?
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post Feb 5 2016, 08:43 PM

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I can confirm this..my cousin used to work at watson.. salary 7k and above
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post Feb 5 2016, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(Davez89 @ Feb 5 2016, 08:43 PM)
I can confirm this..my cousin used to work at watson.. salary 7k and above
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frsh graduate?

should have studied pharmacy instead engineering
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post Feb 5 2016, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(lyecheung @ Feb 5 2016, 08:45 PM)
frsh graduate?

should have studied pharmacy instead engineering
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Not.. work 3-4 years already

24 bought 110k car 26 bought condo

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post Feb 5 2016, 08:47 PM

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post Feb 5 2016, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(Davez89 @ Feb 5 2016, 08:47 PM)
Not.. work 3-4 years already

24 bought altis 27 bought condo
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really fantastic
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post Feb 5 2016, 08:48 PM

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Licensed drug dealer....so, yeah, that pay is normal la.
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post Feb 5 2016, 08:48 PM

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post Feb 5 2016, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(avatargod @ Feb 5 2016, 08:48 PM)
Licensed drug dealer....so, yeah, that pay is normal la.
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in hospital same?
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post Feb 5 2016, 08:48 PM

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7k before undertable. Some undertable get morning pill lol
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QUOTE(lyecheung @ Feb 5 2016, 08:47 PM)
really fantastic
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She got offered 10k + profit sharing but she declined and did her masters.. truestory
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post Feb 5 2016, 08:50 PM

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Wow. But it looks like they are very free because normally no people approach them. Should have studied pharmacy.
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post Feb 5 2016, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(Davez89 @ Feb 5 2016, 08:49 PM)
She got offered 10k + profit sharing but she declined and did her masters.. truestory
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master then work in guardian? better salarY?
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post Feb 5 2016, 08:51 PM

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why @grisslebear salary less then 4k? so low
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post Feb 5 2016, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(lyecheung @ Feb 5 2016, 08:48 PM)
in hospital same?
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around 5k , but a lot of benefits....every year got huge increment plus grade increment. Some also work 2 job, working at local pharmacy for extra money...#maslan2job
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post Feb 5 2016, 08:52 PM

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there's this one cute amoi pharmacist at shah alam klinik kesihatan seksyen 7

her sweet smile will get you diabetes
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post Feb 5 2016, 08:53 PM

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This one seriously goyang kaki collect gaji.

Minimal workload but crazy pay


REEEEEEEEE
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post Feb 5 2016, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(avatargod @ Feb 5 2016, 08:51 PM)
around 5k , but a lot of benefits....every year got huge increment plus grade increment. Some also work 2 job, working at local pharmacy for extra money...#maslan2job
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not oversupply?
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post Feb 5 2016, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(lyecheung @ Feb 5 2016, 08:51 PM)
master then work in guardian? better salarY?
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No.. she rejected that offer of 10k+ commission
And did her masters part time while working in Watson.. they can choose to work 4 days 12 hours or 5 days 8 hours a week
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post Feb 5 2016, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(Davez89 @ Feb 5 2016, 08:56 PM)
No.. she rejected that offer of 10k+ commission
And did her masters part time while working in Watson.. they can choose to work 4 days 12 hours or 5 days 8 hours  a week
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after master, where can get job?
watsons hq?
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post Feb 5 2016, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(lyecheung @ Feb 5 2016, 08:53 PM)
not oversupply?
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You are right sad.gif

Idk about pharmacist...maybe over supply..

Most of the sector position already saturated.

- Radiographer
- Physiologist
- Health Inspector
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post Feb 5 2016, 09:00 PM

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what about nurse? also earn high?
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post Feb 5 2016, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(avatargod @ Feb 5 2016, 08:51 PM)
around 5k , but a lot of benefits....every year got huge increment plus grade increment. Some also work 2 job, working at local pharmacy for extra money...#maslan2job
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Usually part time sat and sun. Haha.

Yea. But you cant imagine the stresss they have la.
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post Feb 5 2016, 09:01 PM

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Yes 7 k salary is normal for pharmacist in private be it in retail, hospital etc.I know industrial pharmacist in some GLC earning 15 k.
but nowadays I don't think 7k is that high taking into account our living cost.I would just say it's average.right?
Btw who say less than 4 k?when I said?haha

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post Feb 5 2016, 09:03 PM

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Drug margin is very high
50% profit from each sales
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post Feb 5 2016, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(lyecheung @ Feb 5 2016, 08:58 PM)
after master, where can get job?
watsons hq?
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No idea, she is working with her senior at his pharmacy now.. should be higher pay now

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post Feb 5 2016, 09:07 PM

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post Feb 5 2016, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(cocbum4 @ Feb 5 2016, 09:03 PM)
Drug margin is very high
50% profit from each sales
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Bro are you sure u know what u r talking about ?hahah
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post Feb 5 2016, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(grisslebear @ Feb 5 2016, 09:01 PM)
Yes 7 k salary is normal for pharmacist in private be it in retail, hospital etc.I know industrial pharmacist in some GLC earning 15 k.
but nowadays I don't think 7k is that high taking into account our living cost.I would just say it's average.right?
Btw who say less than 4 k?when I said?haha
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Where u work? Retail/clinic/Hosp?
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pharmacist medical profession lah, low class engineer or sales how to compare?

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QUOTE(grisslebear @ Feb 5 2016, 09:08 PM)
Bro are you sure u know what u r talking about ?hahah
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Why gov drug is free while pharmacist charge ten times the price?
Profit 1000%?
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post Feb 5 2016, 09:16 PM

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CB wtf i study so hard also kenot win pharmacist. Damn should've taken pharmacy course instead of engineering
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post Feb 5 2016, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(monitorhead @ Feb 5 2016, 09:10 PM)
Where u work? Retail/clinic/Hosp?
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I'm working in pharmaceutical industry.smile.gif are you a pharma cist too?
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post Feb 5 2016, 09:17 PM

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Wow higher than HO

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QUOTE(cocbum4 @ Feb 5 2016, 09:14 PM)
Why gov drug is free while pharmacist charge ten times the price?
Profit 1000%?
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u consumer dont talk loud if dont know anything.
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QUOTE(grisslebear @ Feb 5 2016, 09:16 PM)
I'm working in pharmaceutical industry.smile.gif are you a pharma cist too?
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Nice.. Which company? I'm u44 only sad.gif
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post Feb 5 2016, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Feb 5 2016, 09:18 PM)
u consumer dont talk loud if dont know anything.
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Ts wanna ask why
It is business secret finally exposed
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QUOTE(monitorhead @ Feb 5 2016, 09:18 PM)
Nice.. Which company? I'm u44 only  sad.gif
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Hi bro in working in oral solid dosage form pharma overseeing GMP compliance and etc.Been awhile in this sector. staying here because of the good perks smile.gif
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QUOTE(kopihazelnut @ Feb 5 2016, 08:41 PM)
But when i come, they always not there
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caring pharmacy paying 8k
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QUOTE(grisslebear @ Feb 5 2016, 09:22 PM)
Hi bro in working in oral solid dosage form pharma overseeing GMP compliance and etc.Been awhile in this sector. staying here because of the good perks smile.gif
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How's life in industry? I'm kinda interested in industry but I didn't take any industry training during university. I focused more on clinical back then.
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QUOTE(cocbum4 @ Feb 5 2016, 09:03 PM)
Drug margin is very high
50% profit from each sales
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drug margin is superbly low

govt sell drugs at low price due to subsidies
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QUOTE(kopihazelnut @ Feb 5 2016, 08:41 PM)
But when i come, they always not there
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They pay rm 25/hr or 30 during public holiday. I don't feel it's worth it to sacrifice my holiday for that pay. If pay more, I go to work :-P
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Salah ke earn 7k per month?
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QUOTE(NicJolin @ Feb 5 2016, 09:27 PM)
drug margin is superbly low

govt sell drugs at low price due to subsidies
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The drug is like license and royalty pay
Each sales will have royalty pay besides of the sales margin, overall the margin is high for a drug
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from what i know, freshie can get 4k, so if 5 yrs experience, 7k is possible.
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QUOTE(lyecheung @ Feb 5 2016, 09:00 PM)
what about nurse? also earn high?
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Nola. Nurse low pay.

Pharmacist memang high pay wan.
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QUOTE(ChaoGuGu @ Feb 5 2016, 08:48 PM)
7k before undertable. Some undertable get morning pill lol
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Mana ada under table. 2 yrs ago i line up at kl sentral klcc watson, the girl in front of me terus ask for morning pill. The pharmacist give her and advice bila patut makan. Not like some doc and pharmacist that give you that moral judgment look and "moral" advice.
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QUOTE(lyecheung @ Feb 5 2016, 09:00 PM)
what about nurse? also earn high?
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U go to arab country like saudi ka, dubai ka, earn high cos the ppl there don't want to work that job
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QUOTE(lyecheung @ Feb 5 2016, 08:38 PM)
paging @grisslebear
@ grisslebear
since you in this line.

really they pay so high?
what about dentist?
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yes my sister in law is working at a pharmacy Guard@@@@ and her salary is RM 7350 & above a month
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Pharmacist same requiremnt like medicine la the course.

Means pharmacist same status like doctor la.


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QUOTE(toothgnasher @ Feb 5 2016, 09:40 PM)
Mana ada under table. 2 yrs ago i line up at kl sentral klcc watson, the girl in front of me terus ask for morning pill. The pharmacist give her and advice bila patut makan. Not like some doc and pharmacist that give you that moral judgment look and "moral"  advice.
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I think now cant edi. Need doctor advice only can take.
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Retail line is good for the beginning and middle.After that it will quickly reach a ceiling for the salary.I used to be on par with my friend who is in retail pharmacy.After a while I leapfrogged him when I climbed the corporate ladder to managerial position. yes every job has its pros and cons.
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I think now cant edi. Need doctor advice only can take.
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What kind of thinking is this? Do you even knw what morning pill is for?
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still lower than TKSS /k 20k income

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QUOTE(LemonBalm @ Feb 5 2016, 09:30 PM)
Wah, what kinda talk is this. Talk down on consumer. /k army, summon u check this dude see if he working with pharmacy...boikott kau,
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Because too many narrow minded people here. Consumer always think for themselves, sell at fair price also feel like kena cheated. Padahal profit margin not that high as they think. And i dont operate pharmacy outlet. Different business.
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QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ Feb 5 2016, 09:47 PM)
yes my sister in law is working at a pharmacy Guard@@@@ and her salary is RM 7350 & above a month
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Your sister dont go to district/gov clinics first? If go how long she go there before moved to guardian?

QUOTE(Vape On @ Feb 5 2016, 09:49 PM)
Pharmacist same requiremnt like medicine la the course.

Means pharmacist same status like doctor la.
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Nah doctor still paid more than pharmacist. But with crazy workload. I see my friend pharmacist really goyang kaki only
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not all of them earn 7k la, also there are not many such jobs around

some also operate like branch managers and what not

soo erm ya
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QUOTE(grisslebear @ Feb 5 2016, 09:54 PM)
Retail line is good for the beginning and middle.After that it will quickly reach a ceiling for the salary.I used to be on par with my friend who is  in retail pharmacy.After a while I leapfrogged  him when I climbed the corporate ladder to managerial position. yes every job has its pros and cons.
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So, how much ur pay now? I used to know a senior pharmacist from a glc company earning rm16k/month. But he's old like 40 yo like that.

I plan to get a shop n open a small pharmacy after 40 yo n life is financially stable. for now, still not sure what or how to do to get there. I'm stuck with government currently.
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QUOTE(monitorhead @ Feb 5 2016, 10:10 PM)
So, how much ur pay now? I used to know a senior pharmacist from a glc company earning rm16k/month. But he's old like 40 yo like that.

I plan to get a shop n open a small pharmacy after 40 yo n life is financially stable. for now, still not sure what or how to do to get there. I'm stuck with government currently.
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Gov fresh grad pharmacist how much pay?
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QUOTE(debonairs91 @ Feb 5 2016, 10:11 PM)
Gov fresh grad pharmacist how much pay?
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Not sure about now. Mine was around 3.8k in 2011

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QUOTE(kopihazelnut @ Feb 5 2016, 08:41 PM)
But when i come, they always not there
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That's why. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(monitorhead @ Feb 5 2016, 10:10 PM)
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So, how much ur pay now? I used to know a senior pharmacist from a glc company earning rm16k/month. But he's old like 40 yo like that.

I plan to get a shop n open a small pharmacy after 40 yo n life is financially stable. for now, still not sure what or how to do to get there. I'm stuck with government currently.
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appreciate your work in gov bro.Sometimes I do miss the life back then in gov.
about salary hmm I can say definitely better than Watsons or caring thats why I continue to stay.Initially when I joined years back I was drawing home 7k nett.
It's good u have a goal to open a pharmacy.I also wish one day I can.But with current situation I prefer to get stable salary.Btw bonus in private is way better than gov .
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damn should study pharmacy
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QUOTE(lyecheung @ Feb 5 2016, 08:38 PM)
paging @grisslebear
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really they pay so high?
what about dentist?
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u ingat senang dapat cert ar
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You know other than pharmacist job, they need to jaga the store like manager also right ?
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QUOTE(ChaoGuGu @ Feb 5 2016, 09:50 PM)
I think now cant edi. Need doctor advice only can take.
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still can la. I bought a few times recently.
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alot pharmacist actually work in hospital as fulltime too, so they have double income
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QUOTE(grisslebear @ Feb 6 2016, 12:35 AM)
appreciate your work in gov bro.Sometimes I do miss the life back then in gov.
about salary hmm I can say definitely  better than Watsons or caring thats why I continue to stay.Initially when I joined years back I was drawing home 7k nett.
It's good u have a goal to open a pharmacy.I also wish one day I can.But with current situation I prefer to get stable salary.Btw bonus in private is way better than gov .
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so now you must be easily earning about rm10k?


7k at this moment is a bit too low looking at the high cost of livin

where are you located? kl?

as i know pharmaniaga can pay very high for industry


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QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ Feb 5 2016, 09:47 PM)
yes my sister in law is working at a pharmacy Guard@@@@ and her salary is RM 7350 & above a month
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after minus tax n epf, left about rm6k only. a bit too low too

got any bonus?
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QUOTE(lyecheung @ Feb 6 2016, 09:42 AM)
after minus tax n epf, left  about rm6k only. a bit too low too

got any bonus?
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lye cheung u pharmacist too?wanna explore industry ?good package
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QUOTE(lyecheung @ Feb 5 2016, 08:42 PM)
even fresh graduate get so high salary?

more then engineer salary
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But stuck at this level.. no much promotion after pharmacist is what? Manager? Isn't pharmacist a manager already?
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pharmacist at government clinic or hospital, how much?
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QUOTE(the99percent1 @ Feb 6 2016, 09:51 AM)
But stuck at this level.. no much promotion after pharmacist is what? Manager? Isn't pharmacist a manager already?
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Yes you are right to say that . Pharmacist generally assume a manegerial role in retail and hospitals .However if u in some MNC pharmaceutical industry there are very good chance for you to climb up higher in the corporate ladder to even GM of the company.

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obviously dentist earn higher than that.

But you imagine pharmacist prob have to work 6 days a week, work until shop close at 9pm.
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QUOTE(lyecheung @ Feb 6 2016, 09:40 AM)
so now you must be easily earning about rm10k?
7k at this moment is a bit too low looking at the high cost of livin

where are you located? kl?

as i know pharmaniaga can pay very high for industry
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Yes not to belittle the salary of others but to say 7k is high is abit of an over statement. nowadays the cost of living is escalating too fast.
I'm not rich but I consider myself ok to get midrange japanese sedan and a landed property in malaysia.

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but pharmacist always not there??

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You need to follow retail time which is 10am to 10pm..Office worker only 8 hours....I think actually they underpaid for 7k
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You need to follow retail time which is 10am to 10pm..Office worker only 8 hours....I think actually they underpaid for 7k
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Not really man.
most retail work 8 hours 5 days week too or 12 hours for 4 days .Same amount of hours per week.Not necessarily they cover till closing of the shop.Some use locum pharmacist to cover. Just that they do have to cover for weekends.But the amount of work duration is the same with office worker.7k is just the average .

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You need to follow retail time which is 10am to 10pm..Office worker only 8 hours....I think actually they underpaid for 7k
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Not really man.
most retail work 8 hours 5 days week too or 12 hours for 4 days .Same amount of hours per week.Not necessarily they cover till closing of the shop.Some use locum pharmacist to cover. Just that they do have to cover for weekends.But the amount of work duration is the same with office worker.7k is just the average .

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I thought watson working 7 days a week while most /k tards office working work 5 days a week.

So if consider pharmasist in retail only work 5 days also their salary also average like /k tards working in opis
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I thought watson working 7 days a week while most /k tards office working work 5 days a week.

So if consider pharmasist in retail only work 5 days also their salary also average like /k tards working in opis
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Those pharmasist is paid 7 days a week while office ppl paid 5 days a week

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QUOTE(grisslebear @ Feb 6 2016, 10:04 AM)
Yes not to belittle the salary of others but to say 7k is high is abit of an over statement. nowadays the cost of living is escalating too fast.
I'm not rich but I consider myself ok to get midrange japanese sedan and a landed property in malaysia.
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just a thought

the average national per cap income for aussies just stand at about 4k aud

if you have problems with 7k its not a matter of low income, its an issue of living beyond your means
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Diu. But now pharmacies oversupply I tot. No?
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Work long hours
Stock check
Audit
Arrange stock
Clean store rooms
Wipe products
Standing
Rm7k...

My office engineer
Flexi hour working, 8hrs weekday only
High bonus
Working not stress
Sitting in office can surf net
Can go back early acc his wife
Good future like steve job
Salary 10k+-
In 30 got 2 condos worth 1mil+
Got 2 cars, married with kid

Successful than most ktards
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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Feb 6 2016, 01:04 PM)
just a thought

the average national per cap income for aussies just stand at about 4k aud

if you have problems with 7k its not a matter of low income, its an issue of living beyond your means
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I did not say it's low income. I stated it is not high income.Since when 7k is high? I just consider it as normal..I do not have any problems living with 7k back then.
Yes we live within our means
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QUOTE(grisslebear @ Feb 6 2016, 01:44 PM)
I did not say it's low income. I stated it is not high income.Since when 7k is high? I just consider it as normal..I do not have any problems living with 7k back then.
Yes we live within our means
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or accurately "not enough income" , since everytime

if you cross reference income levels across the world, those who earn at 7k takes up the top 10% - 20 % of national income statistics.

it kinda puts certain things into perspective
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lye cheung u pharmacist too?wanna explore industry ?good package
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nope

my wife's bro gf just come out study this

i think still cannot get govn posting.... heard full
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Yes you are right to say that . Pharmacist generally assume a manegerial role in retail and hospitals .However if u in some MNC pharmaceutical industry there are very good chance for you to climb up higher in the corporate ladder to even GM of the company.
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Mnc research and dev require u to further studies. PhD usually minimum requirement on top of years of experience.
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I mean engineers in my office, got test engineer, process engineer, project engineer, product engineer, qa engineer. Most of them making alot of money.
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but how cum /k said engineers paid like bangla + work like bangla?
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Same goes to pharmacist lo, some making good income some making little...
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even fresh graduate get so high salary?

more then engineer salary
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Er... Except OnG, otherwise, all engineer got peanut pay.

Well, if u think 3k is high, then ok. Engineer got high pay.
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QUOTE(lyecheung @ Feb 6 2016, 04:51 PM)
nope

my wife's bro gf just come out study this

i think still cannot get govn posting.... heard full
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yup. gov posting kinda limited.

plus, first year government need to work at hospitals for training. the training at hospitals, it's kinda though with on call n everything.

i saw a friend doing retail training but her job is comparatively easier than those training at hospitals.
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QUOTE(lyecheung @ Feb 6 2016, 04:51 PM)
nope

my wife's bro gf just come out study this

i think still cannot get govn posting.... heard full
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I see.Yes I think nowadayd there is an oversupply of pharmacist graduates and they need to wait a long time for hospital placement after graduate to do their pupilage.
Luckily I wasn't in their Era.
hoho

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I see.Yes I think nowadayd there is an oversupply of pharmacist graduates and they need to wait a long time for hospital placement after graduate to do their pupilage.
Luckily I wasn't in their Era.
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Malaysian pharmacist can do what?
Invent new vaccine?
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Malaysian pharmacist cant do much.maybe give you wrong drug if u r complacent.sarcasm level 99
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Malaysian pharmacist cant do much.maybe give you wrong drug if u r complacent.sarcasm level 99
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Haha its okay we can always go to court. Btw i dont trust the medicine given anyway, i always google them up for manufacturing source etc.
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QUOTE(grisslebear @ Feb 6 2016, 07:44 PM)
I see.Yes I think nowadayd there is an oversupply of pharmacist graduates and they need to wait a long time for hospital placement after graduate to do their pupilage.
Luckily I wasn't in their Era.
hoho
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since now you earning 10k, when you foresee getting at least rm15k pm or you think cant reach this level?
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QUOTE(debonairs91 @ Feb 6 2016, 07:45 PM)
Even if need to wait it's usually just a maximum of one year wait. After that you're pretty much set for life
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but now with the oversupply, i doubt salary can be as good as it used too

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QUOTE(ChaoGuGu @ Feb 5 2016, 08:48 PM)
7k before undertable. Some undertable get morning pill lol
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but now with the oversupply, i doubt salary can be as good as it used too
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I asked earlier didnt someone say fresh grad gov pharmacist 3.8k?
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Electronic
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salary in electronics now very low

all call engineer but earn 5-6k nia




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I asked earlier didnt someone say fresh grad gov pharmacist 3.8k?
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yes

someone said.

but i think increment very slow since many overflow


so many private uni graduates coming out...

just like that grad in 4 yrs come out

dont know real or all involve $$$$$

so keep fail form 5 yet after see them few years later is Dr or lawyer
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yup. gov posting kinda limited.

plus, first year government need to work at hospitals for training. the training at hospitals, it's kinda though with on call n everything.

i saw a friend doing retail training but her job is comparatively easier than those training at hospitals.
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instead work in pharmacy n hospital, what other place can work?


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fresh grad private masters pharmacists around 5k la
but can be very high if stationed at suburb areas, know someone offered 10k watson but damn ulu place to layan offshore expats that was before oil crash lul

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fresh grad private masters pharmacists around 5k la
but can be very high if stationed at suburb areas, know someone offered 10k watson but damn ulu place to layan offshore expats that was before oil crash lul
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anyone know how much is dr salary? the ones that sit in the normal clinics we see around?
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salary in electronics now very low

all call engineer but earn 5-6k nia
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Issit? I just interviewed for mnc electronic company. Asking salary in 5 figures.
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Issit? I just interviewed for mnc electronic company. Asking salary in 5 figures.
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instead work in pharmacy n hospital, what other place can work?
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many places
1. drug companies
2. drug production facilities
3. enforcement (gov)
4. universities
5. drug registration bureau (gov)

a pharmacist can be researcher, sales rep, manager, store keeper etc. not necessarily dispense meds.

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aiyo make research first before you choose course next time. oh wait..

anyway pharmacist fresh grad pay is among the highest, but after yearss..career & $$ advancement tabulih lawan safety/engineering lor..
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QUOTE(lyecheung @ Feb 7 2016, 09:24 AM)
yes

someone said.

but i think increment very slow since many overflow
so many private uni graduates coming out...

just like that grad in 4 yrs come out

dont know real or all involve $$$$$

so keep fail form 5 yet after see them few years later is Dr or lawyer
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increment for me around rm250-ish per year. now 2016 my salary around 5.7k. thus july will get double increment rclxms.gif so, around 6k end of this year.

but working in government although salary is low, it comes with many perks - loans, pencen, free/subsidised healthcare etc (i like free dental treament the most)

but, if u want to be rich, i think business is the only way. irregardless of the fields of study.


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QUOTE(monitorhead @ Feb 15 2016, 07:09 PM)
increment for me around rm250-ish per year. now 2016 my salary around 5.7k. thus july will get double increment  rclxms.gif  so, around 6k end of this year.

but working in government although salary is low, it comes with many perks - loans, pencen, free/subsidised healthcare etc (i like free dental treament the most)

but, if u want to be rich, i think business is the only way. irregardless of the fields of study.
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6k so low
how to survive?
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6k so low
how to survive?
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thats y. im thinking of changing job. but no sure where to go. cant survive this esp in kl
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thats y. im thinking of changing job. but no sure where to go. cant survive this esp in kl
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pharmaniaga?
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pharmaniaga?
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QUOTE(lyecheung @ Feb 7 2016, 09:24 AM)
yes

someone said.

but i think increment very slow since many overflow
so many private uni graduates coming out...

just like that grad in 4 yrs come out

dont know real or all involve $$$$$

so keep fail form 5 yet after see them few years later is Dr or lawyer
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Can’t say like that. People will change. I used to failed my add math and only got B for sc subjects. But passed all and 5A in spm. Now cracking my head in pharmacy course and my results are able to compete with students from gov Matrics. Now I put more efforts on study to be in the award list in private u. Don’t think that private uni is only money matters. Lots of stud from gov studied in private still cannot scored 4flat like they used to score in matrics. Cuz private exam paper always failed the student and coursework marks aren’t like gov uni always can get full marks.
After all I think every field needs a profession. You cannot say like she got straight A’s and must become a doctor. As long as the person passes the requirement and qualified to do so, and he/she should go for it.

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Hi.I would be a pharmacist graduate in a year.I am kinda want explore myself into industry area or academic pathway.Does industry area require a master or PhD to have higher pay or better career prospect .I really need someone’s advice, I don’t want go into that field just realise it cant achieve my expectation.my expectation would be the salary.i hope I can have 10kpay per month before 35!i would be 23 when I graduate.Thank you!

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7k normal due u have to settle all logistics for the drugs
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Considered low for 7k/month for pharmacist. My gf get 8k basic + overtime and target bonus can easily hit 11-12k/month
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Why gov drug is free while pharmacist charge ten times the price?
Profit 1000%?
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Hi.I would be pharmacist graduate I a year.I am kinda want go into industry area or academic pathway.Does industry area require a master or PhD to have higher pay or brighter career pathway.I really need someone advice,cause I don’t want go into that field just realise it can achieve my expectation.my expectation would be salary.i hope I can have 10kpay per month before 35!i would be 23 when I graduate.Thank you!Is it loquat can pm?if it is possible I hope you can pm me if here is not suitable.thank youuu!!
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QUOTE(Wenwen97 @ Aug 30 2018, 10:51 PM)
Hi.I would be a pharmacist graduate in a year.I am kinda want explore myself into industry area or academic pathway.Does industry area require a master or PhD to have higher pay or better career prospect .I really need someone’s advice, I don’t want go into that field just realise it cant achieve my expectation.my expectation would be the salary.i hope I can have 10kpay per month before 35!i would be 23 when I graduate.Thank you!
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Hi, do you have any updates on your current situation now? Have you managed to get yourself started in industry or academic pathway?

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Pharmacist got license la
Bukan cap ayam

Dentist oso got license

Anything job title with gomen license surely high


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But when i come, they always not there
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Which makes it more appealing. Goyang kaki get 7k
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QUOTE(lyecheung @ Feb 5 2016, 08:42 PM)
even fresh graduate get so high salary?

more then engineer salary
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U should compare the no of engineering grads vs pharmacist grads and ull know why engineer have lower pay
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QUOTE(lyecheung @ Feb 5 2016, 08:38 PM)
paging @grisslebear
@ grisslebear
since you in this line.

really they pay so high?
what about dentist?
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Very high, how can Watson/Guardian profit if pay employee high.
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Very high, how can Watson/Guardian profit if pay employee high.
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can; if they able to bring good revenue in. Good Pay = Good Morale = Good Employee = Good Revenue = Better Profit = More customer trust etc etc.

Dont be like chinaman; everything want big profit but low lansi sampah pay employee.

You pay peanut; you get monkey. You pay your employee well and appreciate your employees; you will raise a good business well down the road.

smile.gif

that is the reason why you will see companies that pay well their employee will have more people willing to join them than low pay company..

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QUOTE(Syie9^_^ @ May 27 2020, 09:55 PM)
can; if they able to bring good revenue in. Good Pay = Good Morale = Good Employee = Good Revenue = Better Profit = More customer trust etc etc.

Dont be like chinaman; everything want big profit but low lansi sampah pay employee.

You pay peanut; you get monkey. You pay your employee well and appreciate your employees; you will raise a good business well down the road.

smile.gif

that is the reason why you will see companies that pay well their employee will have more people willing to join them than low pay company..
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True, pay well then employee shall bring more productivity.
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True, pay well then employee shall bring more productivity.
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more productivity = more staff retained = stability to govt = more income tax = more corp/local consumption tax = more jobs = better living condition.

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pharmacist girls damn hot

outside wear lab coat, inside wear bodycon dress

saw a few already

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QUOTE(Syie9^_^ @ May 27 2020, 11:46 PM)
more productivity = more staff retained = stability to govt = more income tax = more corp/local consumption tax = more jobs = better living condition.
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True bro true. Fantastic. I belip you. We need spend big so that justify big income big tax etc. Everything must big mindset.

If want buy item peanut price, how pay also big right.
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QUOTE(waghyu @ May 28 2020, 01:44 AM)
True bro true. Fantastic. I belip you. We need spend big so that justify big income big tax etc. Everything must big mindset.

If want buy item peanut price, how pay also big right.
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Pharmacist got license that's where the value at, you open a pharmacy shop need to hire license pharmacist, that's why the pay is high. And to qualify for pharmacy course in uni also need high qualification like doctor.
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QUOTE(Syie9^_^ @ May 28 2020, 12:16 AM)
No. You got it wrong.

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Then how can bizness pay big? Denmark everyting tax highly so can give big income.

Malaysia tax lowly so can give low income only. Chicken and eggs love story.
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QUOTE(waghyu @ May 28 2020, 01:48 AM)
Then how can bizness pay big? Denmark everyting tax highly so can give big income.

Malaysia tax lowly so can give low income only. Chicken and eggs love story.
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that requires you to think biggrin.gif laugh.gif and if im to tell you; consulting fees applicable. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Syie9^_^ @ May 28 2020, 12:20 AM)
that requires you to think biggrin.gif laugh.gif and if im to tell you; consulting fees applicable.  biggrin.gif
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I give up then. Your chance to talk kok please talk kok. Many no understand why salary small or big for big jobs.
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last time I check around 2.5-3.5k for fresh grad
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Regret choosing it over pharmacy
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I know a girl in kk get less than 1.5k after she graduate
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QUOTE(lyecheung @ Feb 5 2016, 08:38 PM)
paging @grisslebear
@ grisslebear
since you in this line.

really they pay so high?
what about dentist?
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retail pharmacies often 2 kerja one

1 is pharmacy and 1 is store manager. 1 that do both can get higher pay.

also some of their income is based on sales

less sales, less your allowance.

and their work days are pretty strict too. sat-sun need to be there. not much holiday like normal people.
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not 7k then they worth how much ?
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QUOTE(Davez89 @ Feb 5 2016, 08:43 PM)
I can confirm this..my cousin used to work at watson.. salary 7k and above
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wah... watson can pay so high?
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QUOTE(monitorhead @ Feb 5 2016, 10:10 PM)
So, how much ur pay now? I used to know a senior pharmacist from a glc company earning rm16k/month. But he's old like 40 yo like that.

I plan to get a shop n open a small pharmacy after 40 yo n life is financially stable. for now, still not sure what or how to do to get there. I'm stuck with government currently.
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16k take home only rm12k only. so low la
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QUOTE(eddyooi @ Jun 24 2021, 02:36 PM)
16k take home only rm12k only. so low la
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16k at that age is considered logic. my cousin earned the same amount as an engineer. but 7k for pharmacist is superb. but i think they are not just dispensing the meds but involve in the procurement of those meds. more admins work...
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QUOTE(bunyip @ Jun 24 2021, 02:47 PM)
16k at that age is considered logic. my cousin earned the same amount as an engineer. but 7k for pharmacist is superb. but i think they are not just dispensing the meds but involve in the procurement of those meds. more admins work...
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16k is salary wor... and take home sure rm12k +-... he is old fag 40 yrs too
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Aug 30 2018, 11:48 PM)
Dub be so happy with this job. Wrong dispense, you get jail.
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QUOTE(eddyooi @ Jun 24 2021, 02:50 PM)
16k is salary wor... and take home sure rm12k +-... he is old fag 40 yrs too
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but the pharmacist early 30s with 7k salary very high. i wonder if they reach 40s.
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QUOTE(bunyip @ Jun 24 2021, 02:57 PM)
but the pharmacist early 30s with 7k salary very high. i wonder if they reach 40s.
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early 30tis property agent rm18k
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QUOTE(eddyooi @ Jun 24 2021, 03:01 PM)
early 30tis property agent rm18k
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is it a promising job? i know work harder earn more. but how about during this time? so 18k is a take home salary?
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if give wrong meds gg
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QUOTE(eddyooi @ Jun 24 2021, 02:36 PM)
16k take home only rm12k only. so low la
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QUOTE(skycrawler @ May 28 2020, 12:31 AM)
last time I check around 2.5-3.5k for fresh grad
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This is correct

My staff daughter just grad

Went gomen on contract basis around 4k

Contract habis bye bye
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QUOTE(lyecheung @ Feb 5 2016, 08:38 PM)
paging @grisslebear
@ grisslebear
since you in this line.

really they pay so high?
what about dentist?
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7k not high d..
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7k is poor in k std
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my cousin work in gov hospital 5k plus only but banyak allowances
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salary is one thing, but most pharmacists girls I have seen everywhere look hnnnggghhh... all at least above average quality, why ah?

if only knew earlier, will surely join pharma major in U brows.gif

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Its been like that since 10 yrs ago
Today more or less the same

Cukurr negara aman
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QUOTE(Wenwen97 @ Aug 30 2018, 10:51 PM)
Hi.I would be a pharmacist graduate in a year.I am kinda want explore myself into industry area or academic pathway.Does industry area require a master or PhD to have higher pay or better career prospect .I really need someone’s advice, I don’t want go into that field just realise it cant achieve my expectation.my expectation would be the salary.i hope I can have 10kpay per month before 35!i would be 23 when I graduate.Thank you!
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