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 Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V) IV, Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)

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kpfun
post Feb 1 2016, 10:32 AM

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I attended the ASNB Seminar in IOI Resort City last Saturday. Here the sharing of my observation:

1. Less than 5% non bumi attendees.

2. There were 2 presentations - Malaysia Market Outlook and Hibah/Pengisytiharan Amanah.

3. The market outlook presentation is better than those presentations in FSM. The presenter is from macro research unit and with PhD title. The content is in English and well organized. Entire session was conducted by mixed of Malay and English.

4. I guess the mind of audiences were not with economy. The first question was a good one from a Malay folk, speaking in English - " Where is 1% or 2% those carried forward undeclared dividends from all the years", and followed by saying " ASNB should be transparency of managing these undeclared dividends".

None of ASNB staff in the room have the answer for it. The rest of questions were also around "unhappy about dividends".

5. About hibah/pengisythiharan Amanah, one important info I learned from there, which Amanah will transfer all the units to the beneficiary in units, whereas, for non Amanah wills, they release in cash.

I think, I will attend their future seminars if I will be invited again. The buffet lunch was damn good!

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post Feb 1 2016, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 1 2016, 10:42 AM)
Amanah will and non Amanah will? Care to clarify?
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ASNB has a product of Hibah Amanah for Muslims and Pengisytiharan Amanah for non Muslims. They collect RM190 one time fee for all units of all products of the person has in ASNB. The execution fee is about 0.6% for the first 1 million, and subsequent is a bit lower. The withdrawal takes less than 21 days. Other wills, may take months to year.

Other wills means any withdrawal from a decease's account is not going through either hibah/penisytiharan Amanah.

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post Feb 1 2016, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 1 2016, 11:04 AM)
But if use other will, one won't get in the form of units right?
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I asked this question specifically in the room - they answered firmly, ONLY Amanah they will transfer the units. They will open the account if the beneficiary has no account.

For other wills, they will sell the units and give the beneficiary in cash.

The presenter even explained to those bumi audiences about why I asked this question - for the reason of non bumi are not easy to buy the units. Some beneficiaries like to continue keeping the units. Amanah is the best way of ensuring their units are not sold.

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post Feb 5 2016, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Feb 4 2016, 10:55 PM)
This reminds me a Honda salesman told me he had a police customer who paid his new Honda in cash notes. It was a huge effort for the outlet to count the money because they do not have money counting machine like bank.
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post Feb 6 2016, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(intrepidity85 @ Feb 5 2016, 06:09 PM)
not one shot. last time 2-3 days the staff only manage to lock in 10k for me per time..

sometime if lucky can get 30-40k per day depending on ppl withdraw on that day.. their system is real time. so what i do is prepare the CASH for her and she will do the rest for me

of course, in order to pass the cash to her.. u really need to trust her and know where she live etc..

if you want to aim for more, do it during festival times like CNY, hari raya, christmas, school holidays

at this time, sure got many ppl withdraw.. and due to our economy nowadays its much easier but i dont dare to lock till 1 million even with another 1..

so if u dont have any problem above, then u can follow my steps
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A week before last GE, there were plenty available units. The coming GE could be another opportunity for mega entry, especially when BN looks weak.

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post Feb 19 2016, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(areankim @ Feb 19 2016, 05:02 PM)
got new allocation? or u guys just like try out everyday?
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Sharing with you my most dedicated experience, which was happened 2 years go, for AS1M hunting. Just after its dividend released, I went to bank everyday from 1st until 10th, and my result after a week plus effort, was RM200 in 2 successful transactions.

It was so much different last year, the bank staff asked "Lagi mau?" after few of my successful transactions.


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post Mar 10 2016, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 8 2016, 02:38 PM)
Although I am still a student, but if you are able to reach my level of spending, you will see that there's nothing else you want to buy/treat yourself and you are able to resist the temptations.

Fancy food at restaurants/hotel? All turn into poop and long term wise bad for health.
Smokiing and drinking? Why would I want to put toxic into my body?
Buying branded clothes?  I compare the one sold in pasar malam and the branded one. Can't tell the differences.
Buying new phone? Get Kick for short while then the phone is same. For every RM1k I save. I can earn Rm60+ from ASX FP.
Car? For what I want to pay so much for something which deprecated in value?
House? If I have the money. House is too damn expensive.
Vocation?  Haven't been on one. But planning to.

So as you can see, I have nothing to spend on.
So what to do? Put it aside in amanah saham
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Impressive to see such thinking is from a today's student. A very mature and practical thinking about money.
Shame on many highly 'debted' grown up people, who have no idea of future money.

Are you a post-grad student?

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post Mar 27 2016, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 27 2016, 01:39 PM)
Yap Ming Hui said to be careful when investing in Singapore.  smile.gif  http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...u-need-to-know/

Yap Ming Hui also used examples of the ASB and the EPF as examples.

Any opinions ?

Edited by adding : Ming Hui is right by saying that we have to be very careful and will need to do our DD hard when investing overseas. he is not able to see that though the ASB is giving only 8% per year and 'may have lost the value of its investments significantly' since the MYR depreciated by 30%, he missed the point that the amount of work and time saved-up by not needing to work hard before investing into the ASB could have been put into better use somewhere else,... thereby generating returns there too.

The other income-generating activities could have yielded more than 24% returns for the ASB investor, which would,... basically offset the drop of 30% in the MYR.

Any other opinions about the article ?
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I think, his article is confused by the class of investors. Someone is investing knowledgeable and good in making money from money, of cause, have more options in varieties of investment either domestic or overseas.

ASB and EPF are perfectly fit for people who know nothing about investment. They have either no knowledge, or not interested to learn or spend time on investment. Basically, not much options for them. Furthermore, their capitals usually are limited, no one, or the qualified one, is really interested to assist them.

You really need to be damn rich, if you want someone who is really good, to configure your investment portfolio.







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post Mar 28 2016, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 28 2016, 01:33 PM)

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I would believed these PNB funds will always be around since most of we Malaysians are not really keen to know more about investments.

I think most of us are more keen to work hard for the money,... or perhaps, there are other ways to get money besides working hard, or investing hard,... Our ASB and our EPF actually yield quite a sum every year, be it not for the longterm depreciating trend of the MYR, if,.. let's say our MYR has the strength of the Singapore Dollar, how nice would it be to just pour ALL we have into the EPF and the PNB FP Funds...

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Absolutely right!

PNB funds are political fund.

I think, many people see its positive side - a good rate with very low risk, and backing by government.

Unfortunately, the negative side not many people notice. It is hurting the country economy development in long term. Nation tends to be over passive in investment. It is something like the basic pay of a salesman is too high - loosing motivation to look for sales.

"cukup makan" feeling demotivates us to look for better.


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post Apr 22 2016, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 22 2016, 11:55 AM)
another reason is because ASB is non shariah.

it's seems nowadays people are getting too "Islamic". tis one cannot that one cannot.  How I love the good old days. everything done in moderation. we're more happy too. 

sorry If I'm too harsh. No hard feelings  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Really, I am still very confused with Sharia financial products.

Let say, ASB goes with Sharia, can ASB buy AEON, as Jusco is selling pork.



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post Apr 28 2016, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 27 2016, 10:28 PM)
More than 9 billion units of PNB’s unit trust funds remain unsubscribed  dry.gif
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...n-unsubscribed/
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Sad to see such news. Sorry for Malays, really, being fooled by all these politicians.

The main problem for Malays is the family size is too big and therefore, unbearable by the income.

I always share my view with my Malay friends, keep the family in small, focus on educating the kids well (no point keep on producing office/delivery boys or Jusco's counter girls). Small family allows you to have extra for investment. This is the correct way to change the family financial, and also, the next generation.

Of cause, all Malay politicians work on the opposite way. They want more votes, and better, the votes come from low educated people. So that, they can manipulate them easily.

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