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 LYN Christian Fellowship V11 (Group), ALL about Jesus Christ.

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post Apr 13 2016, 05:42 PM

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It seems that we are arguing if we need to repent to receive the salvation, which is by Grace of God.

This is my take. Christ is the way to the Father. Salvation is provided for us by God's grace, which he gives in Christ Jesus based on his death, resurrection and continued intercession for us (believers).

I had earlier said this "Our salvation comes as a gift of God's grace, but it can only be appropriated by our response in faith." What I was trying to say is that we need to response to the gift. If the gift is there, and we do not response by accepting, how are we to receive the grace? Didn't you acknowledge you are sinner and accept Jesus Christ as personal savior? Ain't you repenting and responding?

I have never believed in work to achieve Salvation. It is a free gift. Repentance is only once i.e. accept we are the sinners and we need Jesus as our personal savior. I did not say we need to continue to repent daily for our sins. The blood of Christ on the cross is sufficient. It is finished as said by Jesus.

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post Apr 13 2016, 06:49 PM

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Just to add, Book of Ephesians 2:8-9 says "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no once can boast."

In Acts 2:38, "Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." With this call comes the work of the Holy Spirit within a person, giving him or her the power and ability to respond to God. smile.gif

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QUOTE(shioks @ Apr 13 2016, 05:42 PM)
It seems that we are arguing if we need to repent to receive the salvation, which is by Grace of God.

This is my take.  Christ is the way to the Father.  Salvation is provided for us by God's grace, which he gives in Christ Jesus based on his death, resurrection and continued intercession for us (believers).

I had earlier said this "Our salvation comes as a gift of God's grace, but it can only be appropriated by our response in faith."  What I was trying to say is that we need to response to the gift.  If the gift is there, and we do not response by accepting, how are we to receive the grace?  Didn't you acknowledge you are sinner and accept Jesus Christ as personal savior?  Ain't you repenting and responding?

I have never believed in work to achieve Salvation.  It is a free gift.  Repentance is only once i.e. accept we are the sinners and we need Jesus as our personal savior.  I did not say we need to continue to repent daily for our sins.  The blood of Christ on the cross is sufficient.  It is finished as said by Jesus.

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QUOTE(shioks @ Apr 13 2016, 06:49 PM)
Just to add, Book of Ephesians 2:8-9 says "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no once can boast."

In Acts 2:38, "Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.  And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."  With this call comes the work of the Holy Spirit within a person, giving him or her the power and ability to respond to God. smile.gif

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Okay lah Okay lah. thumbup.gif




Anyway 3388 Hit it on the dot about Salvation with his post below.


QUOTE(3388 @ Apr 13 2016, 03:41 PM)
Amen. I do believe this is the truth.

It happens to me everytime when I sinned I tell myself " I must repent, otherwise my salvation will be at stake"; and it ends up becoming a "cycle" ie: Sin, remorse, repent, then sin again, remorse, repent - non stop and it's killing me.

To some point, I think the problem which misconception of repentance bring to us is self-righteousness. We "think" we can be righteous by "doing" repentance.

But I believe true freedom in Christ is, when we finally say to God " God help me to turn away from this sin, I CANNOT do it myself", only with this we shall then experience miracle and transformation by the work of God.
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Okay, I'm glad we're moving forward in our spiritual understanding of the Bible, next step is to share more devotional to reinforce Faith in Christ for God's Kingdom to move on.

With that being said, guys watch out & keep praying for protection upon your life (& your family) and for our fellowship in this thread, very sure the enemy is reading this and also planning the next attack to demotivate us in the spirit and our walk with our Lord Jesus.






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QUOTE(Enigmatic @ Apr 13 2016, 07:42 PM)
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My Heart's desire is that every Bro/Sis in Christ be encouraged in heart and united in love, and have a rich revelation of Christ, so that we can be a light of the world for Christ.
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post Apr 13 2016, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 13 2016, 08:05 PM)
My Heart's desire is that every Bro/Sis in Christ be encouraged in heart and united in love, and have a rich revelation of Christ, so that we can be a light of the world for Christ.
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Not to pour cold water, I used to desire along this line but after all the heart breaking, i find bro/sis in Christ are more judgmental than non-believers. tongue.gif
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post Apr 13 2016, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(shioks @ Apr 13 2016, 08:14 PM)
Not to pour cold water, I used to desire along this line but after all the heart breaking, i find bro/sis in Christ are more judgmental than non-believers. tongue.gif
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This is what I'm trying to break Christians from.

It stems from the doctrine of mixture of Law & Grace.

Based on the Law, we measure this and that against another person, hence the judgmental attitude.

Based on Grace, there's nothing to measure against because we are all on equal ground in terms of Righteousness and Salvation.

Do you see the reason why I'm so passionate on sharing this?

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tinarhian
post Apr 13 2016, 08:41 PM

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I'm depressed because UW blamed me for the way I dressed.

You shouldn't judged me for that.

Please dont PM me. Put it out here. I don't believed in hiding away everything.

No wonder Malaysians liked to keep everything secret. doh.gif
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post Apr 13 2016, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(shioks @ Apr 13 2016, 08:14 PM)
Not to pour cold water, I used to desire along this line but after all the heart breaking, i find bro/sis in Christ are more judgmental than non-believers. tongue.gif
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Well tell that to UW the Taliban.
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post Apr 13 2016, 08:52 PM

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unknown warrior, FYI. I'm not throwing tantrum. You don't understand German culture. doh.gif
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Apr 13 2016, 08:41 PM)
I'm depressed because UW blamed me for the way I dressed.

You shouldn't judged me for that.

Please dont PM me. Put it out here. I don't believed in hiding away everything.

No wonder Malaysians liked to keep everything secret.  doh.gif
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Apr 13 2016, 08:42 PM)
Well tell that to UW the Taliban.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Apr 13 2016, 08:52 PM)
unknown warrior, FYI. I'm not throwing tantrum. You don't understand German culture.  doh.gif
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Look I understand European culture very well. Showing cleavage is the norm.

But you don't understand some Christians who are weak in their conscious gets stumbled easily.

I'm just advising, if we can avoid that, then just avoid.

How is that being judgmental on your dressing. Sheesh.



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post Apr 13 2016, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 13 2016, 08:56 PM)
Look I understand European culture very well. Showing cleavage is the norm.

But you don't understand some Christians who are weak in their conscious gets stumbled easily.

I'm just advising, if we can avoid that, then just avoid.

How is that being judgmental on your dressing. Sheesh.
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Showing a bit of cleavage is fine. Of course IF a girl shows the whole mountain, ITS NOT FIINE!

I understood that. Those "weak Christians" should pray and ask for guidance.

But you blamed me instead. doh.gif

Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault.

Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault.

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post Apr 13 2016, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Apr 13 2016, 09:00 PM)
Showing a bit of cleavage is fine. Of course IF a girl shows the whole mountain, ITS NOT FIINE!

I understood that. Those "weak Christians" should pray and ask for guidance.

But you blamed me instead.  doh.gif

Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault.

Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault.

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Again, how did I blame you? What were the words use? laugh.gif


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post Apr 13 2016, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 13 2016, 09:05 PM)
Again, how did I blame you? What were the words use?  laugh.gif
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You are just like a politican. People have to remind you of certain things. doh.gif

Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault.

Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault.
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post Apr 13 2016, 09:14 PM

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I lost 1 kg because of you UW. I didn't enjoy my Osaka trip. vmad.gif

Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault.

Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault.
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post Apr 13 2016, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Apr 13 2016, 09:07 PM)
You are just like a politican. People have to remind you of certain things.  doh.gif

Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault.

Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault.
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Ha, If you can actually show me the post of me being judgmental on you in this episode, I would surrender with a white Flag.

Can't you tell the difference between Advising and Judgmental? Aren't you super hyper sensitive? laugh.gif


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post Apr 13 2016, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 13 2016, 09:15 PM)
Ha, If you can actually show me the post of me being judgmental on you in this episode, I would surrender with a white Flag.

Can't you tell the difference between Advising and Judgmental? Aren't you super hyper sensitive?  laugh.gif
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That's a typical poitician ploy. In other words, you don't remember.

Does it matter whether you advised or judging? It still hurts my feeling, you dope.

Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault.

Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Apr 13 2016, 09:17 PM)
That's a typical poitician ploy. In other words, you don't remember.

Does it matter whether you advised or judging? It still hurts my feeling, you dope.

Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault.

Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault. Its not my fault.
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Okay I'm sorry, didn't know it was you in that picture. notworthy.gif


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post Apr 13 2016, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 13 2016, 09:20 PM)
Okay I'm sorry, didn't know it was you in that picture.  notworthy.gif
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Yeah whatever. I wear whatever I want. I'm not Taliban.
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If I see any more Taliban comments about my dress, you all will be sorry later. vmad.gif

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