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 LYN Christian Fellowship V11 (Group), ALL about Jesus Christ.

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shioks
post Apr 13 2016, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 13 2016, 08:05 PM)
My Heart's desire is that every Bro/Sis in Christ be encouraged in heart and united in love, and have a rich revelation of Christ, so that we can be a light of the world for Christ.
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Not to pour cold water, I used to desire along this line but after all the heart breaking, i find bro/sis in Christ are more judgmental than non-believers. tongue.gif
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post Apr 16 2016, 09:25 AM

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I believe the "fight" is due to generation gap and cultural barrier. Both have spoken their views/feelings. Hope you guys put the issue to rest now.

May peace be upon both of you.
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post Apr 16 2016, 11:21 AM

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Perhaps you want to read the book "It is Finished - Finding Lasting Victory Over SIN" by David Wilkerson. smile.gif
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post Apr 16 2016, 10:30 PM

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Let's change the focus to scripture.

Can anyone help out on the meaning of John 15:7 (NIV) "If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish and it will be given you."

What does Jesus mean when he says "remain in me"? How to remain in Him?
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post Apr 16 2016, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Apr 16 2016, 10:35 PM)
Why? You have a long wish list to ask from Jesus is it?  tongue.gif      brows.gif
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hello....that's not what I asked mah. I asked "remain in me".

but come to think of it, may be asked for Toto, Magnum and other numbers. devil.gif
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post Apr 16 2016, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Apr 16 2016, 10:39 PM)
Taliban UW busy.

Maybe it mean that Jesus wants us to pray to Him and He chose us to carry His mission on earth.

IF our desire is RIGHT, our prayers should be answered. Our prayers should always glorify God first.

We live to bear fruit for God's kingdom. We ask God for His divine purpose to be in us.
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not necessary UW to reply though this thread is started by him.

I see your answers but not really answer "remain in me".
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post Apr 16 2016, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Apr 16 2016, 10:46 PM)
Magnum ice cream so sweet. Ugh.
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Magnum 4D lar bangwall.gif
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post Apr 16 2016, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Apr 16 2016, 10:49 PM)
What's that? Honestly I've no idea.
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just kidding tongue.gif
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post Apr 18 2016, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 18 2016, 09:42 AM)
1 John 1:7 (NIV) But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

Good Morning Fellow Believers.

The Bible is written mainly for believers of Christ, especially in the New Testament. However, not every parts was addressed for the believers, some are for the Jews, the Pharisees, the Gnostics, etc. It is just like in any Church setting, the pastor will preach to the congregation consisting of believers and unbelievers, so sometime he/she will mention things specifically to unbelievers, most of the time to believers. We cannot say everything is for the believers, that is not dividing the word of God properly.

The very first chapter of 1 John 1 was written for the attention of the Gnostic Believers. Whereas the rest of the book are for the Believers of Christ. This was made very clearly in the 2nd chapter When the apostle John use the word "My Dear Children...." which refers to believers of Christ.

Why is this important? Gnostics don't believe Jesus came in the Flesh. Gnosticism also believes only the Spirit part of the person is entirely good and thus cannot be tainted with Sin, they believe the tangible part is entirely evil; hence the Body can be subjected to sin and thus they also believe the body was to be treated harshly.

With that being said; 1 John 1:9 was specifically addressed to the gnostic because of obvious reason. In the early part of this chapter, Apostle John was declaring to the Gnostic, this same Jesus came in the flesh, because they have seen with their eyes and touched with their hands (1 John 1:1), something they didn't believe in. Gnostics believe Jesus came only in the spirit.

Why is this important? Because there's a teaching in 1 John 1:9-10 (NIV) -  If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

...citing that verse they will say... See? believers can have sin in their life and lose their salvation and if we don't confess to forgive our sins, we're in the danger to fall into eternal damnation.

But UW, isn't that what it say? No, read

1 John 2:12 I am writing to you, dear children, because your sins have been forgiven on account of his name.

Do you know what is the meaning of "I'm writing to you dear children" and the meaning "Have Been"? This was written specifically to Christians to let us know all our Sin(Past, Present & Future) HAS BEEN forgiven. Past Tense. ALREADY FORGIVEN.

Actually if you read 1 John 1:7, Apostle John was telling the Gnostics that if we walk in the Light (not according to the light..meaning "doing"). Walking in the Light means walking IN the Light of Christ ...seeing the perfect beauty of what Christ has done on the cross to send away all our sin).........the Blood of Jesus is a consistent 24/7 washing away ALL SINS !!!!! Hence the Light Christ Shine on you to show you HOW CLEAN YOU ARE, NOT HOW DIRTY YOU ARE!

BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN...forgive others, do the right thing, walk in love, don't hate your brothers, don't sin. Don't live a contradictory lifestyle because you don't belong to Darkness, You belong to the Light. If you walk in darkness, you only LIE to yourself because your NEW DEFAULT Position is LIGHT. (1 john 1:6-7, 1 John 2:3-11)

Read everything in context. Don't allow them to use this verse to hoodwink you, out of the Salvation of Christ that is by Grace! Even the  apostle John wanted to assures us in 1 John 2:1-2; EVEN IF we sin..we have an advocate with the Father. Advocate here is like a Lawyer but This Lawyer is divine and has paid the price with his Blood, death and sacrifice! He will Fight for you to save guard your Salvation that He came to Gave!

God Bless.

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What is Gnostics? Here is the link in wikipedia.org:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism



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post Apr 18 2016, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Apr 18 2016, 11:31 AM)
The same word used is "abide".

Abiding in the Lord is based on the fact of being in the Lord. Romans 6:3 says that we were baptized into Christ Jesus. So this is why in 2 Corinthians 5:17 says that if any man is in Christ, he is a new creation. If you are not in the Lord, there is no way for you to abide in the Lord. This is a spiritual fact!

The Lord's accomplishment may be divided into two stages. When the Lord finished redemption on the cross, He joined us to Himself, putting us into Him. This is the first stage. Then when we were regenerated, the Holy Spirit came into us and practically joined us to Christ, putting us into Him. This is the second stage in experience of the fact.

For example, when you were baptized, you have a sense that you have been joined to the Lord and that you are in Him. Then, let say, a good friend came and insisted on taking you to a movie. While you were about to go with him, you sensed there was something wrong between you and the Lord. As you were considering what might be wrong, your friend continued to persuade you, and you decided to go with him. At that moment you felt that your fellowship with the Lord had been cut off.

This feeling came because you did not remain in the Lord. You are saved and in the Lord (a fact!), but experientially you may not always remain in Him. In your experience it seems at times that you have walked out of the Lord, and your fellowship with the Lord has been broken.

Again, for example, today something greatly provoked you to anger. While you were about to lose your temper, you felt something was wrong inside. Nevertheless, you went ahead and lost your temper. And because you lost your temper, you knew within yourself that the fellowship with the Lord had been interrupted. It seemed as if you had walked out of the Lord. This means you did not remain in Him [and thus, needed the cleansing of the blood].

To remain in the Lord is to abide in the Lord. When you abide, you have continuous fellowship with Him. It is a matter of fellowship. Fellowship is made possible by our being put into an organic union with the Lord. To have unceasing fellowship is to abide, and to abide is to maintain this unceasing fellowship.

Hope that helps a bit with "remain in me". XD

How to remain? (later lar) but 1 John addresses it: blood and anointing
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Thanks for the explanation and examples. In layman terms, when Holy Spirit poke you on certain action, you deny it, then you are not "remain in Him", right?
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post Apr 18 2016, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Apr 18 2016, 12:28 PM)
If the Spirit as the anointing poke you [usually not to a certain action but teaches how to abide and maintain the union....], you are usually at the precipice. A choice will have to be made between obeying the Lord or your choice.

If you choose not to stay in the anointing, you will sense the fellowship is broken between you and the Lord i.e. His presence is gone. So, it is yes to your question, "you deny it, then you are not [remain in Him]". Then your conscience will be activated to condemn you. biggrin.gif There were offenses in your conscience, and you felt that you had come out of the presence of the Lord.

Then, you will need the blood. The blood of Jesus His Son will then cleanse us and remove the offenses from our conscience (1 John 1:9). Then we sense that we are again in fellowship with the Lord. The blood is able to restore and recover our fellowship. This recovery is the maintenance of the "abiding in".
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This will lead to a couple of questions tongue.gif :

1. How do you know it is the Holy Spirit and not your conscious?

2. I thought this thread has been emphasizing that your sins have been forgiven and no "action" or "repentance" is required as it is a free gift. You are now saying we need "again". hmm.gif tongue.gif
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post Apr 18 2016, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Apr 18 2016, 12:44 PM)
Haha ... like I mention before, the truth has always 2 sides .... that's enough lar. This is just my fellowship.

Much grace bro!
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I know my faith.

The recent "debate" on Catholic vs Protestant led me to read up more on the Church History and others. Incidentally, I have a very closed friend who recently "converted" from Protestant to Catholic. I was shocked not because of the conversion but because of the person's background i.e. from a few generations of Protestants pastor background. I'm not saying Catholic or Protestant is right. This is not my message but one odd to explore not just merely accept as wholesale truth. tongue.gif

Well, I better not dwell more in controversy topics as I don't want to be the stumbling block to others. devil.gif

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post Apr 18 2016, 06:18 PM

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Go research on War Scroll😈
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post Apr 18 2016, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Apr 18 2016, 06:20 PM)
Even if you pointed to them the Red Sea Scroll they won't believe it as well, they can say oh this is just another historical piece
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Dead Sea Scroll nit Red Sea lar
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post Apr 18 2016, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Apr 18 2016, 06:45 PM)
I visited the place. You should also visit this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrine_of_the_Book

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post Apr 29 2016, 10:46 AM

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You mean like in the 1600s where believers have to buy certificate which has been pre-signed by the pope who pardoned a person's sins and gave you access to heaven. tongue.gif
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post Apr 29 2016, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 29 2016, 10:54 AM)
Those are the corrupted period when Man try to mix doctrine with traditions. That's why I'm not really in favour of Church traditions or things like that because it potentially pollutes the original context of God's Revelation of the Bible. They interpret it with man's own understanding rather than allowing God's Word to Interpret God's own word. This is something, not everyone will understand.

But the Church have progress from there realize their error, thank God for that.
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Certain Church traditions are good but not all. In fact, I personally believe we should also read the books that are not included in Protestant bible. If you are strong in your faith, you need not fear the readings. I have gone through a few other gospels not included in the Bible, inclusive of Gospel of Mary. If you know your bible well, you will "understand" why these gospels or other books not included as part of Bible.

Do not blindly believe what the Pope, pastors or whoever tell you. Seek for yourself.

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post Apr 29 2016, 03:38 PM

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Interesting to see a newly created nick for this question. tongue.gif
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post May 12 2016, 01:43 PM

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Chinese term 危机。 危 = danger. 机 = opportunity. The two words joined together means where there is danger there is opportunity.
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post May 17 2016, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ May 17 2016, 09:22 PM)
Yeah I heard that b4.  brows.gif

Any tips for handling my future mother in law? She's a pain in the ass.  blush.gif
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insteaf of waiting for your in law become outlaw, you outlaw her first😈

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