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post May 12 2007, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE([KY] @ May 12 2007, 07:45 PM)
Okay i'm using NH-U12F, and the performance is so-so, slightly lower than my stock AM2 hsf by 1-3 degrees. I checked the contact of the heatsink base and the heatspreader on my proccessor, i found it to have an amazing contact. Half the size of an un-cook grain of rice spreaded evenly. But how come the performance is not as expected? I touched the heatsink fin and it is not even hot, the air that blew tru the fins were cool. The air from the hsf for my GC is hot.

The temperature of the proccessor at idle is 53 degrees while my 8800GTS idles at 52 degrees which should not be right since G80 GPU tends to be running hotter. Btw the rig is in an air-conditioned room.
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Your CPU temp is definitely not correct. My CPU + HSF is almost the same as yours. My idle is around 30-33'c while at load, it is about 51'c. Now orthosing at 2.65Ghz at 1.34v, it is at 55'c (in aircon room)

Are you sure you have installed the heatsink correctly?
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post May 12 2007, 10:17 PM

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Are you using "Core temp"? What is the reading on Core temp? It will give you the core temperature of both core0 and core1.

From what you have described, when you remove your HSF, you should twist your heatsink gently first to loosen the hold of the thermal paste. AMD has a guide on how to remove heatsinks from the CPU.

Also, for optimum TIM action, when you remove the old thermal paste, it would be better to use a branded thermal paste remover e.g. Arctic thermal paste remover.

Yes, I have a Noctua and it would be difficult to install the heat sink with the mobo in the casing. That's why my rig runs with the mobo outside the casing!!! whistling.gif

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post May 13 2007, 07:27 AM

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QUOTE([KY)
,May 13 2007, 03:48 AM]I am sure it's installed properly. I seen the base of the hsf and the heatspreader on the cpu. The amount of tim used is also sufficient. I touched the base. It's slightly warm but certainly not 40 degrees for sure. I touched the heatpipe and it's cold. I installed the hsf 180 degrees too.

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Hmmm... maybe the reading is wrong then. Clear the bios then (e-jump was referring to this when he said "clear the cmos") (look in your mobo manual, there is a jumper that you need to close to clear the bios).

When my CPU is under load, the core temp will show about 52'c. The heatpipe and fins on top is usually cool. Only the bottom fins will feel warm.

BTW, what was your idle core temp prior to installing the Noctua?

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QUOTE([KY)
,May 16 2007, 07:17 PM]Okay updates guys.

So 1 day when i came back from school i removed my NH-U12F again due to the high temperature i'm getting. Re-applied some AS5 and re-attached it. The temps i'm getting now are 40-ish which is lower than my previous temp even before this the AS5 were already sinked in.

While doing the whole process i actually took sometime viewing the heatsink. 1 thing though that didn't amuse me but rather made me disappointed is that the base of the heatsink is quite thick. If you guys check your NH-U12F you would realised that they(Noctua) could actually cut off the raised-up base and thus reducing the length between the proccessor's heat spreader and the heatpipes.
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Funny how you're temperature can just drop like that.

I don't understand the part about "cutting of the raised-up based". Mind re-explaning what you mean?

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OIC. Nice pic too! thumbup.gif

You're supposed to apply a bit only (1 1/2 rice grain size). How much did you apply? shocking.gif

I was thinking of sticking another heatsink at that flat base. I mean, such a waste of space there!

Was asking people whether it would help make the cooler more efficient. Seems like it might.

Just that I've already installed it. Lazy to remove it.....

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QUOTE([KY] @ May 17 2007, 02:55 PM)

I wonder if i could lap the base off  whistling.gif
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Errr.... unless you have an experience with lapping heatsinks, it would not be advisable. You might just get a damaged cooler rather than a better one!

Suggestion : If you have problems with this cooler, why not sell it and get a better one? I would suggest an Ultra-120 extreme!!! drool.gif drool.gif

Have you tried other heatsinks on your CPU?
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I still think your mobo or your CPU is giving out wrong readings. My noctua is idling at 31-34'c only!

Just don't have an answer to your problem. I've seen a few forumers having the same problems as yours. Haven't found a good answer to this riddle yet!

Hope you find a solution! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(creap @ May 23 2007, 09:37 AM)
Hi, just a quickie.

Is it normal for HD0 to go above 50? thanks
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Ya, that's high. My HDD WD 250Gb runs at 32'c, the other WD 80Gb runs at 37'c. On hot day with active HDD, WD 80Gb can go up to 41-42'C!
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QUOTE(creap @ May 24 2007, 03:47 AM)

Mine is considered high, but urs is way too cool laugh.gif
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Eh? Why too cool? Now, in this sleepy early morning sad.gif, the hard disk are running at 29'c and 35'c!!! I have a fan blowing on it though and my hard disk are outside the casing!!! thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(LittleLinnet @ May 24 2007, 07:25 PM)
Hmm, regarding harddisk temp, there is a very nice place to read about it
PDF LINK or HTML LINK Without Graph

Read it you will see that harddisk tend to spoil at low temperature at about 20 degree++, LOL
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Aiyoo.... too long to read la.

Errr.... are you sure HDD will fail if temperature too low. What about those in countries with snowing winters? We're all talking about cooling, are they talking about heater for the HDD?? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(LittleLinnet @ May 24 2007, 07:49 PM)
Why so lazy?
You dont need to read all anyway.
Here is for the temperature part ONLY.
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But they mentioned 15'c! Even our ambient temperature doesn't go so low. My aircon running at 26'c already shivering.... doh.gif
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QUOTE([KY] @ May 27 2007, 12:00 PM)
Okay about my NH-U12F. Remember guys when you pull out the sticker from the bottom
of your heatsink base? I remembered the base was abit blurry and weird looking unlike polished copper which was smooth. I cleaned it with arctic cleaner 1 & 2 and it remained like that.

Today i removed it for some reason and the base was the same. So i took a scotch cloth and some arctic clean. Applied some arctic clean 2 and rub for sometime and then suddenly i noticed those weird things that look like glue are gone. Now the base is smooth. Not sure if that was affecting the temps, but i am unable to check it now as my PSU is under RMA and currently left without a rig.

Opps sorry to make it clear it looks like glue residue but when i ran my finger tip across it it was smooth, flat and not sticky.

I also test to check whether the heatpipe is working or not. I blew cool air to the heatsink fins and touched the base. Result: it was cold.
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Is it aaa? Aiyaa.... lazy to remove my Noctua la. Why not ask people in Irangan's bulk. See whether they have similar scenarios. If so, guess I have to take out my Noctua for polishing!!! vmad.gif

Errr..... no rig how to come to this forum? hmm.gif
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QUOTE([KY] @ May 27 2007, 03:50 PM)
I can't be sure yet so waiting for my rig to test on.

I noticed the arctic cleaner 2 corrosive when i forgot to wipe off a dot of it from my laptop's processor. Then 1 small spot there shiny and different looking then the surrounding.
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Ya probably true. So that all the residual thermal paste are taken off I guess.....
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QUOTE(akkihiko @ May 29 2007, 10:08 PM)
I have big problem!! my CPU temperature is too high..always around 65 - 70 celcius ..dun noe what to do.. I can't play any game or else the temperature will reach 70 n then I'hh hear a long BEEP BEEP sound.. help me please
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What is the specs for your computer? What CPU, heatsink, open/close casing.....

Did you install the HSF by yourself or by the computer vendor?

What app are you using to monitor the core temp?

QUOTE(mfa333 @ Jun 3 2007, 12:14 PM)
i need passive cooling system for my am2. need very low dB but cool. Any suggestion for aftermarket cooling?
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I suggest the Noctua NH-U12F!!! However, it is not passive cooling but comes with a silent fan (supposed to be 10% more silent than normal silent fan). In addition, it also comes with a Ultra-Low-Noise-adapter (ULNA) that makes the silent fan more silent!!!

There are a few options for passive heatsinks such as the thermalright HR-01. See this link : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/459686?hl=passive
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QUOTE(Kataro @ Jun 3 2007, 02:49 PM)
Noctua fan do have passive HS...the NH-U12...without the F is the passive HS...only RM180 from irangan bulk... you can't get it elsewhere except irangan bulk...anyway, the NH-U12F is very silent and only RM210 also from irangan bulk...that mean the fan is only cost you RM30 if purchase the NH-U12F...if the fan purchase separately, it will cost RM65... try figure out... brows.gif
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Oh ya, forgot about the NH-U12. Hehe....

However, like what you've said, just adding another rm30 for the NH-U12F is a bargain!!!
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QUOTE(GoldenRain @ Jun 5 2007, 08:13 AM)
hey !!
I am using Toshiba Laptop A100 (bought from UK) and I suspect there is something wrong. I used speedfan and check and here's the results

HD0: 48C
Temp1: 93C
Temp2: 95C
Core 0: 95C
Core 1: 94C

This is terrible right?

I bought laptop from Malaysia..toshiba brand too but its M100 and it was perfect till I came to UK and kena stolen.. zzz

I have even a black mark on the surface of the laptop (beside touchpad). This is because my hands are on the surface for too long..

Any help to reduce the temperature?

I have just reformatted the computer and it is still same.. the bottom of the notebook is extremely hot..
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Download Core Temp 0.94 and see whether the temperatures are correct.

Sometimes, for speedfan, you need to set the sensor to PII diode....
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QUOTE(GoldenRain @ Jun 5 2007, 06:24 PM)
okay.. i download and here is the results..

Tjuntion: 100c
core0: 66c
core1: 65c

i just switch on the comp and it is not that hot yet but still the temperature is already quite high..

will the laptop cooler pad cause some noise? i mean very noisy..
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Ok. Now we know that speedfan was giving you the wrong information.

If you still want to use speedfan, you need to go to configure>advance tab>select the monitoring chip e.g. winbond, then set the temperature sensor diode 2 to PII diode. (for my computer, that's the setup). But anyway, you can just use core temp, I guess.

Now the next thing is to know what your laptop specs are....... especially the CPU...
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QUOTE(GoldenRain @ Jun 6 2007, 09:06 AM)
the core temp temperature was measured when my laptop just restarted... what is Tjunction anyway?

i switch on my laptop for 10 mins and the temperature now is

Tjuntion 100c
core 0: 94c
core 1: 94c
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As far as I know, the Tjunction is just a reference of your maximum CPU core temperature. Here's a link : http://www.overclockers.com/articles1378/index02.asp

You haven't given us the type of CPU you're using. However, core temp of 94'c is too high for any cpu. Is the CPU fan running???
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QUOTE(GoldenRain @ Jun 8 2007, 08:21 PM)
TOSHIBA
Genuine Intel(R) CPU
T2400 @ 1.83GHz
1.83GHz, 1.00GB of RAM

CPU fan is running well..
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I'm no notebook expert but I've googled your CPU and it showed that the t2400 has a TDP of 31 watts!!! That means your proc shouldn't go to such a high temperature with adequate cooling!

Some other people with the T2400 only mention core temp of 41-46'c idle and 59'c at load.

Better bring it to your vendor for checking then.....
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QUOTE(GoldenRain @ Jun 9 2007, 02:41 AM)
thanks for helping me to do some research..

any recommendation where to send it to check?

I am in UK now and will be goin back Malaysia next week.. I bought this notebook from UK and it really sucks..
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Errr.... it's better for you to bring it back to the original vendor you bought the notebook from. If it is still under warranty, then they can repair/replace it for you for free I guess.....

I know for a fact that in Western countries, it is easy to RMA/send things for repair (especially if they are under warranty) as vendors are mindful of customer satisfaction and product guarantee.....

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