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post Dec 6 2006, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(unamed @ Dec 6 2006, 11:37 AM)
Mine came with the thermal paste...and i can say that Dell did quite a good job with the heatsink base although it ain't mirror shine there ain't visible scartch marks.

I just sand papered the residue from the previos thermal paste.

Now i'm trying to get a thermal paste...but unfortunately couldn't find where to get it.  Moderno AS5 seems to be out of stock.  Asked about the ceramique and the zalman 1.  Where is his shop located?  Maybe i could get there and have a look.
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You can either go to his shop, or you can go to his house, but if you want to go to his house to buy some, you have to go by night, as he won't be home until 7 or 8PM like that la...

But be sure to call him coz sometime he doesn't come back home at all... laugh.gif

If you want to buy it at his home, you have to go to USJ SS2, Petronas infront of Summit USJ there liao... wink.gif
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post Dec 6 2006, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(Doom @ Dec 6 2006, 01:54 PM)
I need AS5 as well... who can get me a tube ,,,,,,, ??????
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There's someone selling large tube of AS5 for RM48 without postage in the garage sales, i'm going to get it...

How about you doom?

Large Tube of AS5... brows.gif
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post Dec 6 2006, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(yehlai @ Dec 6 2006, 03:21 PM)
Wao u offer laptop reparing serv?  thumbup.gif My laptop over warranty period also... but so far no prob  sweat.gif P.M u if i need reparing serv.
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No problems...
PM me if u want my service... icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 6 2006, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(irangan @ Dec 6 2006, 03:43 PM)
errr... i dont think that is a good idea. sry ya.. i let sHawTY tried because he fed me with ton of knowledge. hehe..
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Heheh, thanks bro... notworthy.gif
Anyway, i don't think i want to do that coz i've already pm'ed a guy who's selling a large tube of AS5 for RM48 [without postage offcourse]

***Just go to LYP just now, and i've seen the STG-1 alive infront of my eyes, at first, i thought the bottle was big, but when i see it infront of my eyes, i like "what the heck?" So small... sweat.gif
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post Dec 7 2006, 01:22 AM

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QUOTE(Doom @ Dec 7 2006, 12:35 AM)
besides small it also look empty ... i had asked my friends that is not familiar with the stuff...

"what you will get for what you pay for?"

they look at the bottle for while and answered me

"what are you paying for anyway?" , "empty bottle? ", "what is this for??", "why nothing in there?"
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small bottle that look empty..... too bad can't fine any good deal on AS5 smaller tube....

maybe will pay my old friend at Robyn Imbi a visit for it ....
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Gulp...
You're friend sure asking a lot of question that kinda stop from buying...
If it were me, it sure stop me from buying it... sweat.gif

What the hell does zalman think of?
It's so small, it's too little quantity of paste in there...

Paiseh...

But still, PCMM review still doesn't reach 8 days yet...
I'm pretty sure that he'll post the review on that paste on PCModdingmy.com wink.gif
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post Dec 7 2006, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(akachester @ Dec 7 2006, 09:03 AM)
I agree on this issue.I went to ALL IT the other day just to get this Zalman paste from them and i saw they only have 2 tubes.When i take a look at it, the bottle seems kinda small to me.Out of my expectation that it was so small.Anyway, when i take it out and was on my way to pay, i turn the bottle upside down and it doesnt seem to contain anything..lol..It was really like an empty bottle.Not even a slight drop of thermal paste inside.I know its those hard type but man, it scares the hell out of me as if i am buying a broken product.So i decided to put it back and maybe order from a trusted forummer here..lol..
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So, we all do have the same experience, and agreed that the bottle was small, and looks empty, and didn't come to our expectations...

Kinda weird eeh?
Mcm kebetulan je... laugh.gif

I guess zalman should do something about it, but... come to think of it, even they will make something to it like making the bottle bigger, think, even a small bottle like that cost you RM32 at ALLIT, what will a bigger bottle priced at? rclxub.gif

Funny though... laugh.gif
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post Dec 8 2006, 10:00 AM

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Zalman STG-1 Sucks!!! tongue.gif

Arctic Silver 5 Rocks!!! rclxm9.gif

Well then, it's proved that the STG-1 doesn't work well like what we've thought before...

Time to change back our mind to the old, but trustworthy Arctic Silver 5 thumbup.gif
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post Dec 8 2006, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(irangan @ Dec 7 2006, 11:23 PM)
do that apply to normal P4 stock cooler also? i saw my heatsink with that metal zink sheet too. take it off and better performance?
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Take it off, then apply a new layer of thermal paste, you will be surprised on how well it'll work compared to relying on that stupid stock metal zink sheet... smile.gif

Normally, the only processor left that uses the metal zink sheet are those notebook processors such as centrino, centrino duo and all the older notebook processors...

For desktop processors, the last processors ever to use that metal zinc sheet is those Pentium 4 Northwood socket 478 processors... icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 8 2006, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(sunauto @ Dec 8 2006, 10:35 AM)
Well, applying thermal grease need good skills, if you apply it too thick, it will be worst than before, it should be spread thinly and equally across the base of the HSF. Most people applied too much thermal grease until it leaks to the side. I've seen most pc shops doing that.  doh.gif
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Those pc shops didn't even bother to do it nicely loo...
They just want everything to be done quickly, as they want to switch to the next customer, anything i buy from the LYP, i'll fix it myself, i never trusted any LYP shops in fixing hardwares to my pc, they just want everything to be done quickly... sweat.gif
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post Dec 8 2006, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(irangan @ Dec 8 2006, 03:12 PM)
SIGH.... there goes my RM32... sHawTY, where u getting the Arctic Silver 5?
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Maybe from momo-sang?
His topic is in the garage sale section... rclxms.gif

QUOTE(Doom @ Dec 8 2006, 03:16 PM)
Lucky didn't off and buy the pate lat week.... i squished last drop of my AS5 to apply the Thermaright Family.... pueh... have to stock in soon ...
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Lucky to me too for not buying it yesterday...

QUOTE(unamed @ Dec 8 2006, 07:40 PM)
Somehow i doubt the fact about leaving the Zalman thermal grease a while to let it sink in...after 2 days now my temperature has risen to 52 idle comparing to when i 1st put it...basically the temp isn't very good.
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Another proof is here, well, STG-1 didn't work well just like we expected...

Go Arctic Silver 5!!! wub.gif

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post Dec 9 2006, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(akachester @ Dec 9 2006, 10:30 AM)
Well, the problem is that some experience shows that the paste generate a higher temperature than the stock paste.That doesnt seem right would it..Anyway, i think i should stay away from this paste now until someone shows some interesting figures on the paste..
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Same goes to me, Lot's of people here have negative feedback about the STG-1... sweat.gif
Even prem agrees to this... doh.gif

QUOTE(irangan @ Dec 9 2006, 11:44 AM)
have some positve result already.. 2 days ago when i just applied the Zalman thermal paste. full load temp is around 67'C, now dropped till 64'C. but still high compare to before using Zalman thermal paste (57'C). hope that it will drop even more smile.gif
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Even if you experience some drop in temperatures, it's still higher than the temperature that you got with the stock paste...

So, what's the use of waiting man?
Just replace it with AS5 thumbup.gif

QUOTE(akachester @ Dec 9 2006, 01:02 PM)
I am wondering, why would applying a good thermal paste such as Zalman will cause the temperature to rise at first rather than dropping when compared to those cheapskate thermal paste?
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It's just like AS5, it needed some time to sink in, but, with STG-1, it's another story, which it goes higher than what stock white thermal paste do...

I'm using Arctic Ceramique for my NB-400CU now, if someone can lend a little for me to test the STG-1 on my northbridge heatsink, so that i'll be able to know either it will perform better or it's just going for worse than what Arctic Ceramique do.. laugh.gif

***Irangan, can lend a little STG-1 for me to test on my Northbridge Chipset?
Just a little, seriously, won't dare to use it on anything else like processor or gpu, i just want to test it on my northbridge that is cooled by the PC Cooler NB-400CU, can? brows.gif
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post Dec 9 2006, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(Doom @ Dec 9 2006, 11:10 PM)
The product does not seems to be reliable enough ...

maybe any Zalman user here could email then regarding the issue...

see what's their respond..
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Like zalman would do a thing on it... laugh.gif

Guys, what comes to my mind right now is that, the STG-1 is just a normal thermal paste produced by Zalman, maybe we're being to excited about it, so we brag it loud that it should be a good paste... laugh.gif

But in the real world, maybe Zalman just produce the STG-1 for just a normal thermal paste like the Arctic Ceramique...

Who knows, that's just my assumptions though, i'm not saying that it's right.. notworthy.gif
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post Dec 10 2006, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(irangan @ Dec 9 2006, 11:55 PM)
yeah... probably due to the propularity of its cpu and vga cooler, we put too high expectation on it. in the end, all that crashing down to earth. sad.
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So then, there's only one way to go, and it's Arctic Silver 5... thumbup.gif
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post Dec 11 2006, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(lolhalol @ Dec 11 2006, 04:03 PM)
well theres two bottles that ..one is a tim remover, and one is a purifier, well it cleans the surface of any left over oils from ur skin or tim.
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Not just oils, it'll clean all the particles that is out of you're sight, those microscopic particles will be cleaned so that you have a perfect clean surface ready for a new layer of TIM smile.gif
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post Dec 12 2006, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(E-J@1 @ Dec 12 2006, 07:35 PM)
does the minyak cap kapak really works?
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It should work, as the "Minyak Cap Kapak" has some alcohol in it... smile.gif
But, to think of it, won't it leave some residue because of the "Minyak"? blink.gif

Correct me if i'm wrong prem... notworthy.gif
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post Dec 12 2006, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(almostthere @ Dec 12 2006, 06:41 PM)
yup because the acetone does leave trace behind. Which is why drying nail polish remover feel a bit weird in ur fingers
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So that means that the acetone is not the best option to clear the TIM.

Have to use the other option smile.gif
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post Dec 12 2006, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(J-Slade @ Dec 12 2006, 10:21 PM)
Arctic Cleaner still the best I would believe. I mean the kit cost RM25. But its the proper solution as to complete removal. Yes its expensive but you must understand, the heatsink is connected by two parts : heatsink n processor.

For the heatsink its okay la u wipe with cotton or tissue n stuff. Its just a piece of cooling metal anyway. But your processor is the more important one. The CPU itself might get damaged without proper handling.
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The main thing we have to be worried about is "Electro Static Charge"
Even if you got a little charge, it will kill any of you're hardware... rclxub.gif

QUOTE(irangan @ Dec 12 2006, 10:28 PM)
very true... CPU or GPU need proper care especially to ppl that open up their cooler often. haha... i think we sounds like arctic cleaner fan boys la. later got warning by the mod..
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We're not being a fans for the arctic cleaner, we are stating the facts that Arctic Cleaner is the best way to clear up all those old TIM... icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 13 2006, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(lolhalol @ Dec 13 2006, 05:44 PM)
yeah how it will casue e.s.c.? explain shawty?  no even if liquid is in the socket it will not cause e.s.c. only a short sircuit if u on it....
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Err...
How to explain aa...

google la, easy... laugh.gif
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post Dec 14 2006, 01:58 AM

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QUOTE(@meno @ Dec 14 2006, 01:56 AM)
Is it because when u rub the surface of the proc with tissue...
You rub rub rub and ESC produced??? hmm.gif

Shawty, explain more, me eager to know as well...
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That's what got into my mind, and that's what stopping me from lapping the processor IHS sweat.gif

Will those rubbings cause ESC? blink.gif
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post Dec 14 2006, 02:04 AM

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QUOTE(irangan @ Dec 13 2006, 10:41 PM)
Overclocker Paradise selling AS5 at RM30. i dont think there is other shop selling already in lyp.

i thought apply TIM on GPU and CPU is the same method. 1 or 2 grain of rice size of TIM then install the cooler.
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Rice Size?

Erkk...
I've been using Arctic Seramique, and uses err, about 1 inches of rice thickness and flatten them up with an atm card, will that block the heatsink from working better? blink.gif

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