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post Aug 14 2020, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Aug 14 2020, 10:21 AM)
It's red all around... not just gloves. What should we buy now.... hm.......
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Stay at sidelines and stop making brokers rich. XD
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post Aug 14 2020, 10:25 AM

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Today pharma and glove same boat to holland together.
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post Aug 14 2020, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Aug 14 2020, 10:29 AM)
Topglove may not peak but it will fall after covid. Also, profit might fall next quarter if this quarter's profit already included 1 year's supply of gloves. I.e. Q2 2020 outstanding results is because of hospitals buying 1 year supply of gloves. Hence, they don't need to buy anymore in Q3 2020.

Maybank is doing surprisingly well compared to other banks (e.g. CIMB or Alliance) in Q1 2020, despite IFRS 9 requiring early impairment. It even recorded a higher profit, surpassing the previous quarter.

Note: I'm not arguing who's right. I'm just stating facts and info given so far.
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18 month worth of purchase order has been placed with a 30% deposit.

Meanwhile, Maybank is still enjoying low NPL due to moratorium.

Im also stating facts. Cheers
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post Aug 14 2020, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Aug 14 2020, 10:35 AM)
Where you heard got 18 months purchase order and 30% deposit?
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Analyst reports. I read all of them.
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post Aug 14 2020, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 14 2020, 10:32 AM)
The issue is sustainability profit.
This is the problem when evaluating glove stock.

Glove earning is likely to peak in 3rd Q, but beyond that? Anyone guess.

If those earning can sustain, glove will still have a lot of room to the upside.
If earning peak, then share price also peak.
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Barring any unforeseen circumstances, glove earning is not peaking in 3rd Q 2020, but in 2021. Furthermore, historically glove earning continues to remain elevated 2-3 years past the peak of a pandemic (look at the glove manufacturer's annual report from its 2000 onwards and you will get an indication), before margins collapse due to oversupply. Until another pandemic hits.

That is why I am still betting on gloves. I could be right, I could be wrong. But I'm sticking to my position until something big happens, e.g., glove factory got burned down. And no, unproven vaccine announcement does not materially change my opinion.

Cheers.

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post Aug 14 2020, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Aug 14 2020, 10:57 AM)
Bursa was sustained by retailers. for stock price to rise, need retailers to pump in more funds.
there will be more gloves supply in 2021, expect asp to dip from 2q/21.
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Easy to say supply will increase, all retailers know that. But do you know exactly when, and where the extra supply will be coming from? You probably have not done the analysis so let me share this with you:

3Q2020 - TG add 8.8b. Harta add 2b
4Q2020 - Supermax add 2.2b
1Q2021 - TG add 8.6b, Harta add 2b, Kossan add 2b
2Q2021 - TG add 5.2b, Kossan add 2b
3Q2021 - TG add 3.5b, Sri Trang add 1b (Thai manufacturer, very big also - need to look regional), Supermax add 5.2b
4Q2021 - Supermax add 5.1b

Above exclude small manufactuerers

TG's capacity is expanding the fastest because it has started the expansion plan before Covid-19 hit. In this sense they are freaking lucky.

ASP dip, yes I believe that will happen. And Supermax will get hit the worst because they are charging spot pricing. TG already fixed orderbook and price with 30% deposit paid. In other words, the sales is locked unless ASP fall below 30%.

The wild card is of course China. God knows how fast they can ramp up their production, but for now we don't see any real traction. If I get news that the Chinese are not only able to ramp up their capacity quickly, but also able to market their gloves as well to threaten the incumbent players (being able to produce does not equal being able to sell), then I will revise my opinion.

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post Aug 14 2020, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Aug 14 2020, 11:24 AM)
This is not happening to bank. interest incurred durong loan moratorium is capitalized.
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Lol what are you talking about?

He is correct income continues to be accrued. You are also correct that the interest incurred is capitalised.


Dr interest receivable
Cr interest income


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post Aug 14 2020, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Aug 14 2020, 11:27 AM)
Uncle sell out supermax buy TG. Now go back buy Supermax, TG.
Confusing la  rclxub.gif
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That fella damn funny. Still cursing Putin's daughter to die.

Anyway, some Supermax related news.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/high...-appeal-sept-29

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post Aug 14 2020, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(RoxyMunky @ Aug 14 2020, 11:43 AM)
still holding with bloods on my hands
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Hahahaha to quote my crypto comrades.

DR;NS.

Didn't read, never selling
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post Aug 14 2020, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(james.6831 @ Aug 14 2020, 02:45 PM)
glove mania over? so much for fantastic QR lol ouh well....
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Seems like it. All cabut liao.
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post Aug 14 2020, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Aug 14 2020, 05:14 PM)
The reality remain without retailers fresh funds, bursa bull run is unlikely sustainable.
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You are really a broken record... same sentence over and over again. shocking.gif
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post Aug 14 2020, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 14 2020, 05:45 PM)
nothing drops forever, just like nothing rises forever.

trading too much cost too much, best to buy n keep for some time.

if u have faith that the glove biz is a viable one, that is.
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You are wrong... companies that keep making losses with no hope of making profit can drop forever until ZERO. Sapura Kencana is 1 of them.

Meanwhile, Apple shares have been going up forever.
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post Aug 14 2020, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(lauwenhan @ Aug 14 2020, 05:57 PM)
I don't think you are wrong at all. But maybe cut down on some bearish views because most of the people including me do not like to hear that. Because it involves losing profits and gaining losses. No one likes that, and plus there isn't a lot of options for bearish plays in Malaysia. Can't even short sell now

Btw stonks only go up, my dude
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Bearish views are fine. Everyone have different views and opinions. But repeating the same sentence everyday gets a little annoying. Zero value added in his post.
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post Aug 14 2020, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 14 2020, 09:27 PM)
what happened today was triggered by below.

i mentioned the name of the broker in one of my last posts, which shud b correct.
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Gosh, not again. Glove share are gonna take few weeks to consolidate now.

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post Aug 14 2020, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(wkchia @ Aug 14 2020, 10:07 PM)
US market just invest in fundamentally strong company, most likely wont go wrong.
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Whack Apple only.

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post Aug 14 2020, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(Speedstar1 @ Aug 14 2020, 10:49 PM)
Where did you get this info that hospitals are buying 12 months stock of gloves?

They can order 100 years worth of stocks but there just isn't enough supply for the next 12 months. This hasn't taken into account new orders constantly coming in every day. In US alone there are more than 6k hospitals

Read the latest kenanga report that factors in all the incoming supply capacity. Not even enough. Haven't taken mass vaccination into consideration yet
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Some people just guess when they don't know.
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post Aug 16 2020, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(skty @ Aug 15 2020, 02:53 PM)
and for those who want to invest in gold, my advice is to invest directly on gold, gold index, or bitcoins (if you know what are you doing).

Gold, silver and bitcoins are not business. They are commodities and they themselves have no production capacity, meaning they cannot generate income. So the only way to profit is when there is price appreciation. I look at those to more like hedging towards inflation more than investment.

don't invest in gold mining company if you don't understand what is shadow banking. This is crucial if you are investing in a company that has mining at countries that don't have shadow banking with US.

investing is not main tikam. Investing is about doing a lot of study and research to understand about that sector before putting your money in.

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Lol. I would say dont invest in bitcoin if you dont know how its used in the shadow economy.

It is the only reason I hold bitcoins, and made a conscious decision to continue holding each and every bit of my bitcoin during the March crash (while I sold all equities after CNY when the coronavirus news started to get out of control).

As long as a shadow economy exist, bitcoin will continue to be in demand.
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post Aug 16 2020, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(Krv23490 @ Aug 16 2020, 12:16 PM)
Until 2q next year, im either holding all cash, or only cash and glove.
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post Aug 16 2020, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 16 2020, 01:23 PM)
u probably want to read this if u haven't.
https://www.bernama.com/en/general/news.php?id=1870747
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Thanks for sharing. Just read it and it did not change my opinion.

Can please explain why would it?
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post Aug 16 2020, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Aug 16 2020, 01:59 PM)
It is natural for virus to have minor mutation. As long as mutation is not major become another type is non alarming.
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Sounds very much like Donald Trump.

It is just a flu. It will go away like magic.

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