QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Aug 14 2020, 10:21 AM)
Stay at sidelines and stop making brokers rich. XDSTOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V150
STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V150
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Aug 14 2020, 10:24 AM
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Aug 14 2020, 10:25 AM
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Today pharma and glove same boat to holland together.
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Aug 14 2020, 10:32 AM
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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Aug 14 2020, 10:29 AM) Topglove may not peak but it will fall after covid. Also, profit might fall next quarter if this quarter's profit already included 1 year's supply of gloves. I.e. Q2 2020 outstanding results is because of hospitals buying 1 year supply of gloves. Hence, they don't need to buy anymore in Q3 2020. 18 month worth of purchase order has been placed with a 30% deposit. Maybank is doing surprisingly well compared to other banks (e.g. CIMB or Alliance) in Q1 2020, despite IFRS 9 requiring early impairment. It even recorded a higher profit, surpassing the previous quarter. Note: I'm not arguing who's right. I'm just stating facts and info given so far. Meanwhile, Maybank is still enjoying low NPL due to moratorium. Im also stating facts. Cheers |
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Aug 14 2020, 10:39 AM
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Aug 14 2020, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 14 2020, 10:32 AM) The issue is sustainability profit. Barring any unforeseen circumstances, glove earning is not peaking in 3rd Q 2020, but in 2021. Furthermore, historically glove earning continues to remain elevated 2-3 years past the peak of a pandemic (look at the glove manufacturer's annual report from its 2000 onwards and you will get an indication), before margins collapse due to oversupply. Until another pandemic hits.This is the problem when evaluating glove stock. Glove earning is likely to peak in 3rd Q, but beyond that? Anyone guess. If those earning can sustain, glove will still have a lot of room to the upside. If earning peak, then share price also peak. That is why I am still betting on gloves. I could be right, I could be wrong. But I'm sticking to my position until something big happens, e.g., glove factory got burned down. And no, unproven vaccine announcement does not materially change my opinion. Cheers. This post has been edited by ComingBackSoon: Aug 14 2020, 10:50 AM Speedstar1 liked this post
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Aug 14 2020, 11:15 AM
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Aug 14 2020, 10:57 AM) Bursa was sustained by retailers. for stock price to rise, need retailers to pump in more funds. Easy to say supply will increase, all retailers know that. But do you know exactly when, and where the extra supply will be coming from? You probably have not done the analysis so let me share this with you:there will be more gloves supply in 2021, expect asp to dip from 2q/21. 3Q2020 - TG add 8.8b. Harta add 2b 4Q2020 - Supermax add 2.2b 1Q2021 - TG add 8.6b, Harta add 2b, Kossan add 2b 2Q2021 - TG add 5.2b, Kossan add 2b 3Q2021 - TG add 3.5b, Sri Trang add 1b (Thai manufacturer, very big also - need to look regional), Supermax add 5.2b 4Q2021 - Supermax add 5.1b Above exclude small manufactuerers TG's capacity is expanding the fastest because it has started the expansion plan before Covid-19 hit. In this sense they are freaking lucky. ASP dip, yes I believe that will happen. And Supermax will get hit the worst because they are charging spot pricing. TG already fixed orderbook and price with 30% deposit paid. In other words, the sales is locked unless ASP fall below 30%. The wild card is of course China. God knows how fast they can ramp up their production, but for now we don't see any real traction. If I get news that the Chinese are not only able to ramp up their capacity quickly, but also able to market their gloves as well to threaten the incumbent players (being able to produce does not equal being able to sell), then I will revise my opinion. Cheers. |
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Aug 14 2020, 11:27 AM
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Aug 14 2020, 11:24 AM) Lol what are you talking about?He is correct income continues to be accrued. You are also correct that the interest incurred is capitalised. Dr interest receivable Cr interest income |
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Aug 14 2020, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Aug 14 2020, 11:27 AM) That fella damn funny. Still cursing Putin's daughter to die.Anyway, some Supermax related news. https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/high...-appeal-sept-29 |
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Aug 14 2020, 11:47 AM
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Aug 14 2020, 02:48 PM
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Aug 14 2020, 05:26 PM
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Aug 14 2020, 05:48 PM
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 14 2020, 05:45 PM) nothing drops forever, just like nothing rises forever. You are wrong... companies that keep making losses with no hope of making profit can drop forever until ZERO. Sapura Kencana is 1 of them.trading too much cost too much, best to buy n keep for some time. if u have faith that the glove biz is a viable one, that is. Meanwhile, Apple shares have been going up forever. |
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Aug 14 2020, 06:35 PM
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QUOTE(lauwenhan @ Aug 14 2020, 05:57 PM) I don't think you are wrong at all. But maybe cut down on some bearish views because most of the people including me do not like to hear that. Because it involves losing profits and gaining losses. No one likes that, and plus there isn't a lot of options for bearish plays in Malaysia. Can't even short sell now Bearish views are fine. Everyone have different views and opinions. But repeating the same sentence everyday gets a little annoying. Zero value added in his post.Btw stonks only go up, my dude Speedstar1 liked this post
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Aug 14 2020, 09:35 PM
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Aug 14 2020, 10:20 PM
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Aug 14 2020, 11:14 PM
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QUOTE(Speedstar1 @ Aug 14 2020, 10:49 PM) Where did you get this info that hospitals are buying 12 months stock of gloves? Some people just guess when they don't know.They can order 100 years worth of stocks but there just isn't enough supply for the next 12 months. This hasn't taken into account new orders constantly coming in every day. In US alone there are more than 6k hospitals Read the latest kenanga report that factors in all the incoming supply capacity. Not even enough. Haven't taken mass vaccination into consideration yet |
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Aug 16 2020, 12:58 AM
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QUOTE(skty @ Aug 15 2020, 02:53 PM) and for those who want to invest in gold, my advice is to invest directly on gold, gold index, or bitcoins (if you know what are you doing). Lol. I would say dont invest in bitcoin if you dont know how its used in the shadow economy. Gold, silver and bitcoins are not business. They are commodities and they themselves have no production capacity, meaning they cannot generate income. So the only way to profit is when there is price appreciation. I look at those to more like hedging towards inflation more than investment. don't invest in gold mining company if you don't understand what is shadow banking. This is crucial if you are investing in a company that has mining at countries that don't have shadow banking with US. investing is not main tikam. Investing is about doing a lot of study and research to understand about that sector before putting your money in. It is the only reason I hold bitcoins, and made a conscious decision to continue holding each and every bit of my bitcoin during the March crash (while I sold all equities after CNY when the coronavirus news started to get out of control). As long as a shadow economy exist, bitcoin will continue to be in demand. |
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Aug 16 2020, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE(Krv23490 @ Aug 16 2020, 12:16 PM) Until 2q next year, im either holding all cash, or only cash and glove. |
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Aug 16 2020, 01:47 PM
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 16 2020, 01:23 PM) Thanks for sharing. Just read it and it did not change my opinion. Can please explain why would it? |
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Aug 16 2020, 03:31 PM
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