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post Dec 16 2020, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(New Klang @ Dec 16 2020, 10:13 AM)
Why is this called trapping?

I am a noob, need sifu to clarify. Thanks
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Probably means today chase high tomorrow red again so today chase high retailer will trapped... same as few days ago...
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post Dec 16 2020, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Dec 16 2020, 11:13 AM)
Finally, opportunity for you to get out breakeven, hopefully at a profit  rclxm9.gif

Get out when you have the chance
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not yet... TG almost breakeven.......SPX still at ceiling height...... that day dropped 10% leh... now only up 5%.... mad.gif
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post Dec 17 2020, 09:56 AM

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Spx and TG almost same price liao .....
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post Dec 18 2020, 08:33 AM

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Net short sell reduced....but price slightly drop abit for TG and dropped quite a lot for spx...


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post Dec 18 2020, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 18 2020, 08:50 AM)
thanks.

can u post the actual bursa link for this?
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https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_inform...stic/securities

Under net short position as at latest date.
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post Dec 18 2020, 09:17 AM

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btw, wanna ask about warrant, last time i read before the warrant will take 5 days average price as the final price right? its 5 days before expiring date or after? or other calculation? like for today 18/12/2020 TG & SPX warrant expired..
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post Dec 18 2020, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 18 2020, 09:28 AM)
expired today means the last 5 trading days prices were used to calc settlement.
https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/trading_w...ve_Warrants.jsp
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alright, means last 5 days before maturity date.... ok.....Today probably still red then......last chance to top up before 26th december?lol
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post Dec 18 2020, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 18 2020, 10:14 AM)
Over a few weeks period, almost certain there is warrant expire. as guru couldn't explain why over valued share promoted by them drop in price, blaming on expiring warrant is a easy way out.

if what guru claimed on warrant is true, these over valued share price should rebound after warrant expired. has it?
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so i guess next week few days we'll know whether it'll rebound or not...However there is another warrant expiring on 31/12/2020..... so the story goes on again....
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post Dec 18 2020, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(skty @ Dec 18 2020, 10:50 AM)
weird. I can't find the link in the page.
you have to check whether the CW is ITM or OTM and check how much is sold.

if it's OTM or 0% sold (which can mean also the market maker fully buy back the CW), you can just ignore the CW impact.

if it's ITM and high percentage sold to public, then the market maker need to sell the mother share that they bought as hedging when they sell the CW for cash settlement on the expiry date.

since the cash settlement is calculated based on the 5 days average prior expiry date, ask yourself, if you are the market maker, would you sell your mother share before the 5 days average, or you rather sell within the 5 days average so you can also enjoy the "side effect" of mother share price being reduced?

you can get the answer if you do some logic thinking. If you have some friends working in IB, you can ask them to verify this logic.  brows.gif
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hm weird.....indeed its gone.........or the doc only last untill 9.00am next day? lol

well CW is myth to some, and is reality to other some....Depend on which side you choose to believe.....
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post Dec 18 2020, 11:22 AM

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i wait 4.40pm last top up for glove......next week buy popcorn and watch whether green or red....
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post Dec 18 2020, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Dec 18 2020, 11:23 AM)
You didnt manage to sell again? Still havent breakeven last time? Or you got greedy again?
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i top up for spx sifu.......TG edi break even......
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post Dec 18 2020, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(MedElite23 @ Dec 18 2020, 11:23 AM)
Yep,I’m more inclined to believe the drop in share price has not much direct correlation with the cw..it’s more like punters have moved on to look for other counters to goreng.. simply put,sentiment not there
One thing I disagree with you though, I think glove counters are very undervalued now.. I know some ppl think ASP will normalise and so will their earnings in the future..

But that’s only tier 1 level of thinking..

As the amount of cash earnings generated over the years of elevated ASP will be more than suffice for the company to automate glove production and expand its production capacity. This will reduce labour cost and increase efficiency and profit margin to overcome normalised ASP.

With heightened healthcare awareness and its already increasing demand of 10% annually even during precovid era,  the reduced earnings will probably be less impactful than what people speculate today..and this is only assuming that by 2022 covid has resolved,we don’t have the magic ball so to make any certain assumption is as good as expecting a monkey to throw darts..

When you are sitting on a mountain of cash, many doors of opportunity that were once closed become available, hence to expect glove companies share price to return to pre covid level is simply absurd to say the least..

Just some food for thoughts.. laugh.gif
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And this further explain that those glove believer should not be shaken by short term random market movement......If you believe that at least within 2-3 years and company is profitable, no point selling the shares to incur losses, might as well holding it long term... Of course opportunity cost is there if you wanna say that you can use this fund to goreng in other stocks......
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post Dec 18 2020, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(MedElite23 @ Dec 18 2020, 11:31 AM)
Thanks for pointing that out, I thought that makes sense..
as far as I know, warrant issuer usually will buy the mother shares to hedge against the warrant they offer right..
if that’s the case, theres no point in pressing down the price anymore for example..

X bank issue a cw against y company..
X bank will then buy lots of y company shares at the same time..
So if by expiry date the mother share price is more than the exercised price.
X bank won’t lose much as they have done some hedging..
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if X bank sell their holding sufficiently to lock in their profit, at the same time drive down the CW price and reduce the premium pay for it, isn't it win win situation for X bank?
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post Dec 18 2020, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Dec 18 2020, 11:50 AM)
Super greedy biggrin.gif. greedisgood 99999999
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8.3 average spx...where got greedy rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

btw, long time din see greedisgood liao........nostalgia man haha....

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post Dec 18 2020, 02:49 PM

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not much movement everywhere.......
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post Dec 18 2020, 04:07 PM

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eh what happen to you spx????
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post Dec 18 2020, 04:10 PM

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i thought today spx will stay at red want to buy at 4.45pm......mana tau suddenly pecut.....no wait his comrade pun.....
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post Dec 18 2020, 04:34 PM

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oh spx roller coaster finished. back to starting point liao....
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post Dec 18 2020, 04:52 PM

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3.6mil last min push down spx....WP......Lets see whether the net SS for spx got go up or not....

14mil TG.....forgot to mention.....

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added some for spx at 6.84....bless us glove holder on monday.... biggrin.gif

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