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post Nov 26 2020, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 26 2020, 09:39 AM)
Here is what 5 minutes of work can do ...

This exercise is to test out the theory of the risk on the buybacks...

See we understand and know that TopGlove has bought a shit load of shares. Day in day out buyback, continuously for so many days...
So it would be good that we tabulate out the number of shares they bought and the monetary value of the shares it bought....

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p/s do double check and verify... ppl like me can make mistakes. I am only human.

What I got so far is ....

Total number shares bought during this period.... 153,604,900
Sum paid for these shares = RM1,116,419,996.49

.... and the average price for these shares is ... 7.268127
woooooo..... paper loss when based on yesterday closing price of 6.65
Based on 6.65, these treasury shares is only worth 1,021,472,585.00

Which means a paper loss of RM94,947,411.49

Paper loss of 94.9 million.
Yes, I have been calling it out loud that Top Glove share buyback's is way too aggressive and reckless.

Sadly, as mention b4, in the market, ppl see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear.
Of course, yes OF COURSE ... Top Glove share price could recover back. 6.65 was just yesterday low. Top Glove could easily trade back up to 9.50 and above. Heck, maybe 10 or 11.

That of course is possible. But what if it doesn't.

When the share falls, you buyback, no problem. That's understandable.
But look at Top Glove style...
Share goes up, it sill buys by the truckoad.
This is reckless. This is trying to jack up the price of the share.

well, look at the consequences....

buy back so much... 1 billion worth of shares... and yet the shares is LOWER than the buyback prices.  doh.gif

and yeah.... TOP GLOVE got so much money....but do remember at this moment, the buybacks has drained out heck a lot of money from its working capital. What about its other plans?

Like I said.... if Top Glove wanted to reward its shareholders, no need so many pattern la, just give out plain cash back to the shareholders. No need all these RECKLESS share buybacks.
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Tan Sri Lim said they have got enough cash to do all the things they need.
the share buy-back is what they learnt from apple, amazon, google, warren buffet's berkshire hartaway.....
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post Nov 26 2020, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 26 2020, 10:16 AM)
Fishy? not at all, it is public data and met sc compliance on sbb. it is a wise and prudent move for the controlling shareholders.

it is common for major shareholders to sell high and buy low.
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SC got what compliance on SBB? didnt know that.

as far as i know only got listing requirement, chapter 12 that governs sbb...
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post Nov 26 2020, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 26 2020, 10:27 AM)
Yes
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mind enlightening on which guideline that say so?
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post Nov 30 2020, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Nov 30 2020, 04:02 PM)
PE is much lower for CIMB in FY2021 and FY2022 based on analysts' projected NP
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why always PE of a bank, PB ratio is more important than PE ratio when it comes to valuing a bank.......

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post Nov 30 2020, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(Rinth @ Nov 30 2020, 04:10 PM)
If by Pb ratio, CIMB better. If by PE, isnt it PBB better? correct me if i'm wrong....i take the figure from KLSE screener apps.
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PBB's valuation is always at a premium, which is which it is priced higher as compared to CIMB.
The PB ratio also explains as such.
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post Nov 30 2020, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(hybr1d3d @ Nov 30 2020, 04:18 PM)
Dear all sifu, i noticed in some thread where people said they submitted request to bursa to question the invested company for suspicous share trading movement.
Can anyone teach me how to do that?
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https://www.bursamalaysia.com/contact_us/other_complaints

Found this from google.
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post Nov 30 2020, 06:25 PM

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EPF dispose to accumulate sufficient funds for withdrawal ma.
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post Dec 2 2020, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(kembayang @ Dec 2 2020, 02:39 PM)
nice.
Do we have this on Rakuten?
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i believe this is available in Homily Chart. Used it before last time, not buyer seller and no change indication.

as far as i remember, red = institutional investor or what they call as Hot Money.

when you see them flock in, there's a chance the price would surge and vice versa.
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post Dec 18 2020, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(gapipig @ Dec 18 2020, 04:22 PM)
Wanted to ask some opinions here. Since I'm really new to trading, I googled and found some i3 forums for some counters. There's this counter that has been on this downtrend since the end of Nov up to now. Most comments there are largely telling people to cut loss now before it's too late.

It's quite obvious that these people have already taken profit or have sold off their shares but if so, why do they keep coming back to "warn" people ar?
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read those with a sack of salt.
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post Dec 21 2020, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Dec 21 2020, 02:32 PM)
No comment... I can only say this price not bad to hold since dividends gonna be awesome anyway... easily 10% yield... going forward if you dont like the yield, still can sell. TG got 20+% of world market so if got PER30 (future earnings minus 2021) or so also not considered expensive.
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you got a point, but is he also trying to point out the trend?
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post Dec 23 2020, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(tommy2468 @ Dec 23 2020, 12:28 PM)
it is extremely quite here this few days~
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everyone on holiday mood ady lor....
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post Dec 29 2020, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Dec 29 2020, 05:47 PM)
It's more simple.

Demand will always be there for gloves.

Key is... at what price? Pre covid is 19usd. Now is about 120usd.

Can above 120 or 150 last forever.?

If cannot... anything less than 100usd.. TG will earn less than 5 billion.

Which is actually real good but damn.... it stinks if compared to current expectation of 10 billion.

If and when c19 ends... demand of gloves will still be there. But at what prices? Usd19? Well look back at 2019 numbers...

This is why... even if falls to 3.50, it's a no go stock for me.
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got a very good point, the business itself is a very good business, by virtue of being the largest glove maker in the world is great.

it's not the business that kills the share price, but the valuation, or rather the, expectation that kills it.
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Jan 5 2021, 03:48 PM)
Good fundamentals. Sitting on a net cash position, balance sheet is strong. Probably the strongest I've seen among it's peers.
Revenue wise, has taken a hit. Recovery that was expected last quarter did not materialize, as customer decommissioned a product which translated into lower orders. Price subsequently dropped when the quarterly earnings was released, but have spiked to a new high for the recent year. Revenue normalization is rumoured to only kick in mid 2021. There has been a lot of blog posts about the stock recently around i3 and social media so someone is definitely trying to promote. Share price up as a result, but revenue has not yet materialized.

Current price of 1.97 is definitely overvalued. If you are interested, wait for the retrace.
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already bought in at around 1.8. waiting for it to go higherrrrr
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post Jan 5 2021, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Jan 5 2021, 04:15 PM)
Yes. Definitely many bags, especially when their Vietnam expansion completed in 2019.
But be careful, the NOSH is only 55M so it is illiquid. Look at that drop due too the poor Quarterly report end Feb '19, coupled with the Global crash in early March, price limit down from RM 3 to RM 0.86. This stock can do that so be mindful. They had ONE incredible quarter in Sep '19, and have struggled to live up to that ever since. Bullish people see only that quarter.

Still, a well run company. Just that the current price is the highest it's ever been in the past year and there is no margin of safety. I think it'll retrace for now. Potentially, I think this one will go upwards by mid year.
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Jan 5 2021, 04:15 PM)
1.8 is a good entry price.
Congratulations.
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thank you, if it retrace until near my cut loss point, i will go in and buy mooarrrrr~!
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post Jan 7 2021, 10:31 AM

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If KLCI drops to 1200 points like March 2020.

What would you buy?

Discuss......
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post Jan 7 2021, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Jan 7 2021, 10:34 AM)
the smart choice is to move your money now to foreign investment and never come back in near future

you want a nicer answer to hear? PPB and PPB
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already in the progress of moving slowly.

rather, not really moving, but building up the overseas market portion of my own. the msian one, let it maintain.

PBB PBB PBBBBBB okay

any others?
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post Jan 7 2021, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Jan 7 2021, 10:49 AM)
my top 4 pick within KLCI 30 would be:-
1. PPB - owns 18% of wilmar and the business model is rather sustainable even malaysia economy is crippled
2. PBB - their investment bank is quite strong. and stable
3. dialog - this is rather overpriced for now
4. KLK - also rather overpriced for now

if you study closely. malaysia should or will likely follow the footstep of turkey and other muslim country - inflation will be the by product of corrupt and inefficient government

so picking export based is a safer bet
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got a point, i like PPB and PBB both are very strong.

As for dialog, not too bad, but their business also suffered a little despite the higher crude oil prices. a little over price for me.

KLK not a bad choice, there are also a few other plantation companies that you can look at, like IOI?
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QUOTE(on this day @ Jan 7 2021, 11:06 AM)
Be prepared for steroid performance after PBB bonus issue, which they say soon.
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ok noted.
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QUOTE(jianwei90 @ Jan 7 2021, 11:07 AM)
PPB always trade within a range of 18 - 19.50 and yes their QR should be good due to good performance of Wilmar lately.
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if drop until 14 bucks like last March 2020, fuhhh all in ~!!!!


QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 7 2021, 11:08 AM)
At one time, some bank offered capital guaranteed structured products on some family run share.
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capital guaranteeedddd? on structured products? like structured warrants?

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QUOTE(cofin @ Jan 8 2021, 03:55 PM)
we only got one listed upstream ....hibiscus .....others mostly middlestream

Petronas also upstream but not listed

First would benefit upstream as oil got price then petronas only can issue contract to middlestream .....then they only slowly benefit from it
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petroliam is not listed. state owned.
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post Jan 13 2021, 10:39 AM

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so those sitting on 100% cash, have you bought anything yet?

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