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post Feb 3 2016, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(zozzle @ Feb 3 2016, 11:59 PM)
the thing is, both mignolet and lovren never expected vardy to take a shot. hindsight is 20/20 of course so it's easy to say mignolet positioning way too out or lovren never attempt a challenge bla bla bla

assuming mig stayed on the line and lovren went in for a challenge, but turns out vardy didnt want to shoot and chose to dribble pass the now-floored lovren for a 1-on-1 with mig, what then? is it their fault again?

it's a game of probability. which is more dangerous? a 1-on-1 with vardy? or a long shot from outside the box with lovren watching him?

they're not world class players but i dont fault them for conceding that worldy
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Vardy said in his own words, saw mignolet was a moment too far ahead (off his line), took the opportunity to rifle it. I didn't made that up, it was in his own words.

If the ball was on the 'ground', vardy will need to content with lovren with him side by side. Option for lovren, take out vardy, gets it right, Clears the ball; wrongly lovren gets red card. If the hypothesis that with ball on ground, and should vardy sprints a head past lovren, he still needs to do one-to-one with mignolet. That's 2 obstacle vardy needs to clear.

Watch the replay.

Lovren can and able to offer a challenge to vardy if the ball was under control on the ground, if vardy didn't and wasn't tempted to hit that far out. But in every wonder goal long range volley shots, ball is mid air before the strike. It's just mignolet position was a tad prematurely away from the goal.

Like I said long range are usually speculative in nature, with more defensive men, it tough(er) to score.
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post Feb 4 2016, 08:39 AM

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Apparently some of the media has started to criticize Klopp for not improving Liverpool. Supposedly stats of win is just lower than of Brendan Rodgers.

Valid or no?

This came after our latest defeat in the hands of Leicester

Some of us might defend and can say it's after all Rodgers' squad he inherited, but the fact of the matter I believe the journalists could be trying to say, Klopp is no improvement over Brendan and it was probably premature to let Brendan go?

I don't know. I still think Klopp approach has the boys being more united.

We spent over 300million on (many) average buys. Some are quick to blame TC. I still say as much as it was a collective effort to identify players in which Rodgers was also IN the committee and he is in agreement on weather of the short list AND that of Rodgers having the final day to purchase or not.

Classic example in benteke's case. Camps are quick to point the blame to TC than Brendan Rodgers. Did you guys know when Brendan invited Klopp over when Klopp arrived as the new LFC manager. Brendan Rodgers ask and requested Klopp to have patiences with (players like) benteke's signing. A player that seemed not in harmony to Liverpool style actually.

Nope, I didn't make this up. Brendan revealed what was transpired with Klopp at his house in an interview just before LFC vs Leicester.

So really. Klopp or Brendan perhaps asked by the journalist.

To me 4 months into his tenure, we are in 1 cup final, even if it was not a major cup it's more of things to come than that had happen in 3 years. No?

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post Feb 4 2016, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Feb 4 2016, 02:57 PM)
as everyone is already aware, not all players are really versatile...some are pretty one-dimensional.
so BR signed players to play to his style.
and if Klopp were to use the same players, would that mean Klopp has to copy BR's style? tongue.gif
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post Feb 4 2016, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Feb 4 2016, 04:45 PM)
I actually kena foreign fans bomb when I comment Mignolet may not be a top class keeper, but he is good in shot stopping. Those foreign fans all bomb me saying how is he a good shot stopper when he had been leaking goals like nobody business. (FB comments)

I iz sad..  sad.gif
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There are those who will castrate your for being critical or any criticism to Liverpool or any of the players.

> nicknames like plastic fans
> traitor
> if you don't support liverpool than bugger off

its hard to have constructive criticism sometimes. there is a time to jest and there are time we are frustrated at poor choices. Liverpoolfc in some parts acknowledge they don't always get it right.

Some Liverpool fans need to understand to manage some expectations. Many criticism towards the manager have rather spot on, but there are those who are quite off.

If only some of those FB liverpoolfc fans have a bit of... oh never mind. One thing i know. pointless to argue on FB (internet). unless on regular forums where a certain acknowledgement has been established amongst the regular forumers themselves.

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post Feb 4 2016, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(ThisIsAter @ Feb 4 2016, 08:06 PM)
If alex texiera does left for Chinese league, then we are lucky not to pursue him at that price. It's that simple.

We still have Lazar Markovic in which could be a worthy option for Klopp.
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post Feb 5 2016, 01:24 AM

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Sharing great moments

I really don't understand where the "Benitez is defensive type of manager".

I think those fans who say so, and propagate that are probably those from Manu camp. no really. 😑



I do believe Klopp will make us great again and much feared by all.

#believe
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post Feb 5 2016, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(champlaos11 @ Feb 5 2016, 08:49 AM)
Of course it will affect the game. But it is time for fans to back themselves. 77 pounds for a ticket to watch a football game is just too much. Let alone that this LFC team is so shite (sorry to say).

With all the TV deals money coming in, I am not exactly sure why the owner still want to increase the price ticket. To compensate the construction money for the on-going mainstand renovation maybe? But whatever it is, it is definitely not right.

Perhaps they should restructure the club organisation to optimize the cost saving instead of slashing the fans.

Supporters/fans are not consumers/customers.
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Honestly, I don't blame the fans who are taking this course of action to make a point.

Though perhaps probably in FSG's POV, it's to recoup back some >300million (it was 370m) splurged on (generally) mediocre signings. Sorry it's sound terribly harsh but also look, before the >300mil, there was an another outlay of over 100mil of going relatively (generally) brit players for his predecessor. While not all were duds, only a less than handful could even walk on the carpet that a team assembled and struck fear in oppositions heart.

FSG did say when they came, they knew little football of the land and trusted the club with their money vault. Liverpool management (directors and the core trustees) after rafa's managerial tenure wanted to pursue domestic players after years of diversity foreign buys. Alright I won't go back to rehash those debates but that we all knew what happened and was cemented as a blip.

There new ticket pricing structure came about even after discussions with several of the local Liverpool supporters groups broke down. FSG appears to not heed the recommendations of the supporters (groups).

I hope this doesn't distract the current players and Klopp. The last thing I want is outside distractions creeping into the players minds like what happened to Rafa's final years.

In the beginning many have pleaded that FSG isn't like G&H (who spent little for players buys in comparison what they dipped into Liverpools kitty instead, to pay the interest for the loan that financed the the owners greed).

Perhaps maybe FSG isn't G&H after all over 470million (players transfer under 2 manager) and more money (figure not disclosed from my understanding but it won't chicken feet numbers) to redevelop the stadium and properties around Anfield (needed for the stadium extension)

Hopefully both the owners and fans reach some realistic compromise.

FSG aren't oil sheiks, they were 'never' as rich. Though given the problems of the current depressed oil prices, that's gonna hurt those oil owners baron, if not now, but it will eventually if I might add.

I would like to think we can ride thru this if fans can come to a reality check

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post Feb 5 2016, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(champlaos11 @ Feb 5 2016, 12:16 PM)
Can't help but feels that Klopp might become the victim from all these. Owner does not entirely back him by increasing the ticket price and supporters leaving ground early to protest. This will further the gap between supporters and the club. It is not healthy.
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Yeah, I hope the controversy ( the ticket thingy issue) don't divide & create the distance

It will cause a rift definitely. I too was spectical of FSG at first but who wasn't after what G&H dicked us in the past.

But with the stadium extension in abouts coming into reality instead of just on paper and some PowerPoint dreams... And we have Juergen Klopp whom there are big names clubs who definitely would love to have in their club.

I can't say FSG has done everything right all the time, but they HAVE walk the talk on the two things that stick out sorely in the past (I mentioned above)

Let's be honest, I know Klopp will right the wrongs of Liverpool squad, I can only hope he isn't dragged n embroiled into the club vs fans tussle.

If the success on the pitch does come back regularly, the fans may and should come into realization FSG is into a long haul together with Liverpool.

Fingers crossed

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post Feb 5 2016, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Feb 5 2016, 07:30 PM)
takes 2 doesnt it?
doesnt teixeira have the option to say no to china? yet he still went.
and there goes his chance of trying to break into the national team.
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Desperately wanting to quit Ukraine league from what I saw some who posted

I don't know.

I still think it's too high, and we have to move on. To me perhaps we walked away unscathed.

But he did more damage to his chances for Brazilian call up I think
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post Feb 5 2016, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(champlaos11 @ Feb 5 2016, 06:07 PM)
For every Hyypia, there will be a El Hadji Diouf. For every Alonso, Mascherano, there will be a Jan Kromkamp/Josemi.  tongue.gif
I am not undermining Houllier or Rafa. But the fact is there will be a certain risk with every single signing. The risk will be lower if the manager has an eagle eye and have a solid scouting team. And I will always prefer us going for foreign talent with minimal fee rather than overrated and overpriced Brits.
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Alonso (not from a RM or Barcelona at first), Mascherano (a west ham discard), Torres (a.Madrid) examples of players NOT from big clubs.

No manager(s) will never know for certain which players who will turn great. Houllier's too brought in jari litmanen (I love him btw)

couldn't understand why he (litmanen) failed to start regularly.

Some managers have a idea to get it right better than others when the manage to fit players of their choice.
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post Feb 8 2016, 07:10 AM

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QUOTE(reehdus @ Feb 7 2016, 01:24 PM)
The squad really is poor. Damn unhappy with our lightweight midfield....miner with all his experience is no gerrard and neither is Henderson. Of the current team how many of them do you think will follow suarez, alonso, maschand arebeloato either rm or barca?
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When LFC nominated Henderson as its captain, I, saw how much the famous Liverpool that evoked so much passion and stirred the imagination of football for over several decades had fallen.

Henderson is a good squad member, but looking back at the illustrious captains of LFC in recent times in gerrard, souness, hypia, hansen, rednapp, ince, fowler, barnes... To name a couple

Ok maybe LFC in our current "transition" paints a little less favourbly for Henderson. But with such current squad architected by our ex manager doesn't quite breathe much optimism that we are anywhere closer to the Liverpoolfc of the yesteryears.

Poor Henderson. Quite damning to be in such period of mediocre. I do wish it was just a bad bad dream but it's as light as day that Klopp has a huge big fuking task to turnaround a sleeping giant.

Lfc have tripped so many times it's a not funny anymore.

The bright spark is that we have a good manager in Klopp. It will take time, perhaps even more that the 3years that he has been assigned for

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post Feb 9 2016, 12:23 AM

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Pay 77 pounds to...

"James Milner ? F 00 00f"

"Jordan Henderson as the captain, kicking on to the wall? F 00 00f"

Watch the video link below
https://www.facebook.com/RobertoFirminoFans...683747881910238

FSG and it's sabermetrics needs some serious soul searching.

Now Brendan Rodgers comes out claiming its FSG's fault for being more business minded that having balls of winning

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“A winning model would mean trying to get the best possible players that you can, at whatever age they are, it doesn’t matter," says former Reds' boss.

“The club needs to look at it and decide whether they want a business model or a winning model.

“A winning model would mean trying to get the best possible players that you can, at whatever age they are, it doesn’t matter.

“Some clubs will go into work and have that in mind.

“Others will think it is about buying a player, developing and improving them and then selling them on for a much greater fee, as opposed to getting the best possible player, irrelevant of his age, in order to win.”


http://www.thisisanfield.com/2016/02/brend...-winning-model/

Halo, in 3 seasons++ you helped oversea over 370million worth of transfer and you never put your foot down.

And when some of us claimed your were actually a yes-man when you first arrived as Liverpool manager, others threatened that we are plastic fans. This now comes across or seen as some excuse to give consolation or attain some credibility back for your time as a manager.

In all honesty, the blame needs to be shared dear Brendan. As manager of Liverpool fc, you could have stamped your authority if FSG had at all scuppered your targets (players) but you didn't.

If some claims "that's Liverpool way is doing business behind closed doors", then speaking out late after your time seems like a sourpuss (and what happened to diplomacy?)

Anyway, in today's football, I know the need to "tell all", be it books (hardcover) or "exclusive interviews". Nothing is sacred anymore. I accept its part of modern football business.

Part of me may view Brendan's latest reveal may have 2 effect, either offering s conscience mind to FSG (and indirectly maybe helping Klopp too for the future targets?)...

..but with 370millions spent in which you Brendan may or may not be directly involved (as you might have claimed). It's quite difficult to accept that Brendan completely had eyes shut and was just a "gullible one" 😑 Little too late l, no? 😕

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post Feb 14 2016, 12:15 PM

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What Suarez said is something we all echoed about. Liverpool had assembled a mid table players with only an aging gerrard and Suarez to lead the assault, figuratively speaking.

Take away that equation, Liverpool team is laid bare. It's wasn't about much touted tiki taka tactics.

Thts where we (Juergen Klopp n FSG) needs to address. Collective responsibility
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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Feb 14 2016, 02:08 PM)
Even aston villa fan will laugh when u said captain henderson. Doesnt have charisma like gerrard or other great player. That summarize how shit our team are although millions been spent already sad.gif
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The truth hurts but sadly there are those who still insist otherwise.

Only know "Blame TC" 👈🏻



Side note, I don't know if the squad can spring a late charge given the return of several key anchor players from injuries.

Our best hope is probably springing a Istanbul feat in Europa cup. I have confidence in Klopp, I don't know how much he can muster from a squad of Henderson, Milner, courtinho, firmino, benteke, mignolet, lovren, sakho, lucas etc

Overall they cost a lot lot lot more than what was generally houllier's leftover with a few editions in that magical night.

The key I think we know know, how important a certain captain marvel/hollywood is to the LFC squad.

I just hope sturridge gets a clean run of games (score goals) for us. He certainly owes us that
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post Feb 14 2016, 11:40 PM

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Win this we will it's 6-0 now.

Let this be a purple patch run from now on. Come one redmen


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post Feb 15 2016, 06:32 AM

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QUOTE(sahathai @ Feb 15 2016, 03:56 AM)
Penalty is very harsh..... But spurs deserved to win
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Eric Dier, 22. Kevin Wimmer, 23. Dele Alli, 19. Erik Lamela, 23. Christian Eriksen, 24 (on the day of the game). Heung-Min Son, 23. Harry Kane, 22. Tom Carroll, 23. Incredible progression from a squad so young. The most remarkable statistic regarding Spurs’ victory at City is that their third oldest outfield player was Kyle Walker. That’s ‘young’ Kyle Walker in my head.


Wow, looking at Spurs average age squad. They have more good days to come if they keep that up (thought the penalty was fortunate)

6-0 win for us was a good good result. Will help in the goals tally at the end season but it's the points we need first with 12 more games left in the league.

We need a good run. Everyone to stay fit and injury free. Sturridge goal was sublime. We need him to stay fit. Klopp didn't want to take chances n replaced him when we were comfortable. That's how important we have an able striker to score. I feel sorry for benteke. Still we need the kind of muscle striker with some teams that's stubborn hard to break..

On a side note of dominating display, Barcelona too was a monster demolishing Celta Vigo 6-1. Now that's complete mauling. The goals by Barcelona was like watching the Harlem globetrotters going thru a routine practice.

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QUOTE(RedSiglap56 @ Feb 15 2016, 06:29 PM)
Did you not see how the goals dried up when Benteke came in? Our play, especially up front, was not as smooth flowing too.

If we use Benteke the way Villa used him, i.e. adapt our playing approach to suit Benteke, we might become like Villa shocking.gif  - they have been struggling to avoid relegation for the last two seasons or so. Unless he is willing to work his socks off and transform his playing style, I cannot see FSG agreeing to continue paying his inflated wages!

Of course, FSG will have to weigh up how much they would probably lose in selling Benteke. The way he is playing, most clubs will want a lelong price. FSG will be fortunate to be able to recoup 20 million!

We should have three good strikers next season : Sturridge, Ings and Origi. One more would be good. However, I think Liverpool needs to spend on the defence this summer, maybe in a big way..
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I don't remember Liverpool scoring a many goal last season (post Suarez) and before even benteke joined.

We had some odd goals here and there, though if I'm not mistaken the leaky goal against was still just as bad 3 years running.

Last season, was most hurtful to lfc fans with the indignity of a terrible season meltdown and the worse Liverpool mauling defeat in 30-40years (gerrards last game and sent off agst manu)

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QUOTE(zozzle @ Feb 16 2016, 03:04 AM)
all you people arguing about benteke im going to put this to rest once and for all

benteke better at head or with his feet, it doesnt matter. he's a 6ft 2in striker from belgium and he's paid very handsomely. His only job was to score goals when he had the chance

If my memory serves me well he has had FOUR 1-on-1s now, very clear cut and straightforward scenario where he only needed to beat the fking keeper and each and every single fking time that idiot shot STRAIGHT at the keeper. EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Origi had ONE chance against Aston Villa after months out with injury and he scored (and we all thought Origi was shite at the start of the season, admit it)

is anyone suggesting that Liverpool paid 32m for his headers? you must be crazy
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Benteke isn't a natural in quick feet. Strikers do get into a problem in self believe.

I'm not suggesting he will be a 20goals striker at Liverpool, with and if sturridge, Ings, origi turning fit and good it augurs well.

He (Big Ben) is still too 'expensive' to be always on the bench, we just have ask Rodgers why he ok'ed (manager has the final say) should the TC's recommendation of a striker from astonvilla. Will he be kept as a alternative type of striker (does what big strikers do in some big physical games, like droba)?
Nice option, if only.

Sturridge is fine striker if he keeps injury free. But it's all thrown out the moment he get injured.

For now it's a confidence thingy. For a big guy, he can run. Only his sense of positioning isn't the best for a striker hence he couldn't find spaces to be in position to score.

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Finally, Yes please.

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He could do with an appointment and serve the critics up their ass.
Rodgers said there were 5 premiership clubs that had previously reached out for him after LFC. (I think they were all premiership clubs, he said)


QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 17 2016, 10:14 PM)
No wonder so many old posters have left and never come back. The negativity here is unbelievable.

Sign big name, u say overrated flop la, overspend la, bla bla bla.
Get free transfer, u say surely got attitude problem, injury prone etc...

Geez, fans these days are so hard to satisfy.
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I think there are several different camps (camp KD, camp BR, camp RB, no camp Roy) that felt unwanted here in LYN's Kopites tread

I hope anyone who left, do return. There will always be some poster here that equate the real football world to something like fantasy football 🙄 some are traditionalist (purist old school) and there are realist here. I'm more of the latter.

I'm all for Klopp. A wonderful LFC signing. Sometimes I still need to pinch myself we have him as manager. Whatever manager we had, the up n downs, they were part of LFC history. Ups and downs. LFC is not perfect but we will get there

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QUOTE(yeelong @ Feb 18 2016, 11:30 AM)
coz they still have VALUE!!! that's why selling them while still HOT.

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😓 Maybe you have a point about FSG 😋

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