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post Jan 17 2020, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(HunterBBQ @ Jan 17 2020, 09:17 PM)
now the project still under testing and researching, in the testing we able to win 2 to 5hands in 1 shoe.
the simulations you provide in wizardofodds.com is data, but cant use that to check 1by1. it may take lifetime to check all kind of testing if you have a simulation and let it do the work in less than 10sec per testing.
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No offence and not to throw cold water on you.

But i can tell you, your system if it's positive. The sample size is too small to be significant.

All the best to you.
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post Jan 17 2020, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(destiny6 @ Jan 1 2020, 08:29 AM)
That's what they tell you? That's not possible, that's gold tier status already , me and my friend got upgraded to silver on the same night after kena hit at tiger machine
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Wow.. gold tier...
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post Jan 19 2020, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(HunterBBQ @ Jan 17 2020, 09:17 PM)
now the project still under testing and researching, in the testing we able to win 2 to 5hands in 1 shoe.
the simulations you provide in wizardofodds.com is data, but cant use that to check 1by1. it may take lifetime to check all kind of testing if you have a simulation and let it do the work in less than 10sec per testing.
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Dunno how u overcome banker 5% comm / banker 6 , only bet on player ?

There is no way to beat the system as long as 5% comm still there, otherwise casino won’t rebate u 1% - 1.8% for each losing bet ( if u play rolling chip)

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post Jan 19 2020, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(HunterBBQ @ Jan 17 2020, 08:58 PM)

i cant say i had a won or big, but i got winner cheque is what i want to say, and so i also believe there is a way to keep a win on the game.
but the way is not easy and it's more like working in the casino.
Proven that u r good , skillful and disciplined gambler since u got few hundred thousand winning cheque from Genting.

But disagree that there is a way to keep a win on game. No way to beat casino!!
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post Jan 19 2020, 10:01 PM

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This will be the last update for this topic.
There is 2 reasons:
1. This project is about to end and start with real testing with real money and so there is no reason to update about any progress due to it will be confidential.
2. Future post will be some live stream from YouTube "Yes" live stream instead of record video and put in YouTube for real action without any editing possible and some real action story instead of update of this topic again.

Here i take this opportunity to thanks anyone that interested, helped, and read this post.

Here will be a open for grouping for real money test and yes i mean you have to PM me to join this test, however there is terms to be.
(No money asking from you, else you can call me a cheater and post it out with my PM screenshot) just to be clear.
Reason for a open: 1. Any,whatever so-call system or any kind of ways style we player trying trial is to beat the house and so player to player have no conflict.
2. Already mentioned its confidential project and you are required to keep it secret without share to anyone even your wife or husband, family whatsoever. (NDA might required)
3. You will be rejected and yes no questions and no objection if this yes the answer you get.
4. Looking for serious i mean serious player that willing to give this a try and you will use your own money to earn for yourself, will not ask for any kind of money from you.
5. You need to pass some test, basically i need someone expert in math, programming, research, and etc, dont need anyone just ask how to win and do nothing, because you will be part of the team and working together to increase the EV system with math or program testing. Without skill and sorry no thanks.

So here is the update of this project will be testing by next month with auto program to few online live dealer, yes online casino with live dealer is the reason that will do some live stream to YouTube for record purpose.
The min goal will be hourly profit 2units and run the program for 20hr daily.
So using software to record it and also live stream to YouTube will be analyzes later what is the outcome and how much true EV we getting from the online.

This testing will be using small bet, why? Because this us F testing stage and running for 20hr daily, will anyone willing to stand in casino for 20hr daily?
So program will be the best option atm and so if everything run smooth it will be side income and we may decide to increase the bet level, however until high bet and we will consider again to take our time to land casino, its all depends on how much our goal is.

Lastly i dont need your money, but i need your help and your brain to crack something up, about the money we will get it from the house, so no worry about it.

Thank so much again for your read.
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post Jan 19 2020, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(vamp1re @ Jan 19 2020, 11:13 AM)
Dunno how u overcome banker 5% comm / banker 6 , only bet on player ?

There is no way to beat the system as long as 5% comm still there, otherwise casino won’t rebate u 1% - 1.8% for each losing bet ( if u play rolling chip)
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The best will be bet with 5% comm and not the B6.
And overcome 5% is always better than B6 with 50% less.


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post Jan 20 2020, 12:20 AM

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I personally run few AI projects, however I still using HI playing baccarat.

"IF" there is a system that can guarantee max 1 unit net loss per 5 shoe ( ~ 350 - 400 games ), then can make big money already.

1 unit net loss per 5 shoe becomes 1.5 - 2 unit net win after add in the rolling commission.

It also means rolling 10 mil per night will generate 130k-140k profit.



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post Jan 20 2020, 01:24 AM

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QUOTE(vamp1re @ Jan 20 2020, 12:20 AM)
I personally run few AI projects, however I still using HI playing baccarat.

"IF" there is a system that can guarantee max 1 unit net loss per 5 shoe ( ~ 350 - 400 games ), then can make big money already.

1 unit net loss per 5 shoe becomes 1.5 - 2 unit net win after add in the rolling commission.

It also means rolling 10 mil per night will generate 130k-140k profit.
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Hi,
I dont understand how you will make your loss cap at 1 unit and every 5 shoes only loss limit at 1 loss?. That seem impossible.
However its not about loss per shoe its how much profit per shoe or every 10 shoes.

Your example with 10mil per day, investor will see share market better chance. Maybe
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post Jan 20 2020, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(vamp1re @ Jan 19 2020, 11:25 AM)
Proven that u r good , skillful and disciplined gambler since u got few hundred thousand winning cheque from Genting. 

But disagree that there is a way to keep a win on game. No way to beat casino!!
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Some people just need to learn it the hard way i guess.

If there is a winning system, by now the casino would have changed their system.

Even if you win, your sample size is too small compared to a big size of the data.
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post Jan 20 2020, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(ghoss @ Jan 20 2020, 07:05 PM)
Some people just need to learn it the hard way i guess.

If there is a winning system, by now the casino would have changed their system.

Even if you win, your sample size is too small compared to a big size of the data.
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Not sure are you suggesting a size of big = play millions hand or shoe and earn millions with 1$ profit per hand or too small with few hand or shoe and profit few hundred thousand???.

What size relation needed to make profits?.
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post Jan 20 2020, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(HunterBBQ @ Jan 20 2020, 01:24 AM)
Hi,
I dont understand how you will make your loss cap at 1 unit and every 5 shoes only loss limit at 1 loss?. That seem impossible.
However its not about loss per shoe its how much profit per shoe or every 10 shoes.

Your example with 10mil per day, investor will see share market better chance. Maybe
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U were talking about 2 unit PROFIT (win) per shoe consistently .....which I think is possible but not guarantee.

I was telling u that it doesn't need 2 unit PROFIT per shoe, or 10 unit PROFIT per 5 shoe to achieve your target ( earn $$$ ) , practically even 1 unit loss per 5 shoe can make money already. This is a fact , common knowledge if you really understand baccarat game well. U didn't include the rolling rebate into consideration, the value of 1.2% - 1.8% is very very significant ; some junkets earn few mil per month purely from 0.x % of customer rolling comm ( example they get 1.6, give u 1.2)

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post Jan 21 2020, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(vamp1re @ Jan 20 2020, 11:48 PM)
U were talking about 2 unit PROFIT (win) per shoe consistently .....which I think is possible but not guarantee.

I was telling u that it doesn't need 2 unit PROFIT per shoe, or 10 unit PROFIT per 5 shoe to achieve your target ( earn $$$ ) ,  practically even 1 unit loss per 5 shoe can make money already.  This is a fact , common knowledge if you really understand baccarat game well. U didn't include the rolling rebate into consideration, the value of 1.2% - 1.8% is very very significant ; some junkets earn few mil per month purely from 0.x % of customer rolling comm ( example they get 1.6, give u 1.2)
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You have your point there.
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post Jan 21 2020, 12:15 AM

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that 5% or B6 is the key to beat gambler ..... no way to overcome it. Even you only bet on PLAYER (higher house edge) still your chance of winning is less than 50%.

I rarely see PLAYER only gamblers ......but met a lot of gamblers who only bet on BANKER

Also, do u ever see any casino that offer banker 3% or 4% commission ??? This is lower than standard 5% and should able to attract more gamblers, why nobody dare to offer that ???

Or do u ever see any PROPER CASINO that dare to offer >2%-2.5% rolling commission ??? I was told by experienced senior uncle that there was !! around 2.5-3% rolling comm 20-30 years ago and all of them (mostly cruise ) closed shop already......that additional 1% rolling comm killed all of them.



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QUOTE(vamp1re @ Jan 21 2020, 12:15 AM)
that 5% or B6  is the key to beat gambler ..... no way to overcome it.  Even you only bet on PLAYER (higher house edge) still your chance of winning is less than 50%.

I rarely see PLAYER only gamblers ......but met a lot of gamblers who only bet on BANKER

Also, do u ever see any casino that offer banker 3% or 4% commission ??? This is lower than standard 5% and should able to attract more gamblers, why nobody dare to offer that ???

Or do u ever see any PROPER CASINO that dare to offer >2%-2.5% rolling commission ??? I was told by experienced senior uncle that there was !! around 2.5-3% rolling comm 20-30 years ago and all of them (mostly cruise ) closed shop already......that additional 1% rolling comm killed all of them.
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Yes that happened, because what BJ card counting give player edge over house about 1%~.

So dont look down even 1% will make the diff
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post Jan 21 2020, 03:35 AM

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Let me give you a simple example on why any systems don't work.

Let say we're using a simple martingale system with 4 players playing the same table. Each player will double up when the lose and stops after 1 win.

Player A bets Banker Banker
Player B bets Banker Player
Player C bets Player Banker
Player D bets Player Player

Results is Banker followed by another Banker

Player A won 0.95 unit
Player B won 0.95 unit
Player C won 0.90 unit
Player D lost 3 units

Casino profit 0.20 unit

What are the odds for the players?

Players have 75% chance of winning 1 unit with 25% chance of losing 3 units. No matter how you change the system, when you lose you big.
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post Jan 21 2020, 03:42 AM

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Another example using same system but stops after losing 1 unit and will double up when won aka reverse martingale.

Player A bets Banker Banker
Player B bets Banker Player
Player C bets Player Banker
Player D bets Player Player

Results is Banker followed by another Banker

Player A won 2.85 units
Player B lost 1.05 units
Player C lost 1 unit
Player D lost 1 unit

Casino still profit 0.20

Players have 25% of odds of winning 3 units with 75% chance of losing 1 unit.

However you turn the system, the higher the chance of winning, the more you lose when you lost.
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post Jan 21 2020, 04:55 AM

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QUOTE(vamp1re @ Jan 19 2020, 11:25 AM)
Proven that u r good , skillful and disciplined gambler since u got few hundred thousand winning cheque from Genting. 

But disagree that there is a way to keep a win on game. No way to beat casino!!
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Even if he had winning cheque from casino, I am sure he will lose back on it unless he stops stepping inside to Genting or playing any online gambling.

QUOTE(ghoss @ Jan 21 2020, 03:35 AM)
Let me give you a simple example on why any systems don't work.

Let say we're using a simple martingale system with 4 players playing the same table. Each player will double up when the lose and stops after 1 win.

Player A bets Banker Banker
Player B bets Banker Player
Player C bets Player Banker
Player D bets Player Player

Results is Banker followed by another Banker

Player A won 0.95 unit
Player B won 0.95 unit
Player C won 0.90 unit
Player D lost 3 units

Casino profit 0.20 unit

What are the odds for the players?

Players have 75% chance of winning 1 unit with 25% chance of losing 3 units. No matter how you change the system, when you lose you big.
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No need so many players la. It will not make any difference.

The only sure winning system is to prepare a lot of chips. It's easy to win just 1k per day. 1 month is 30k. But your life would be meaningless and you need to have a high discipline. Have to travel kl-genting every day. After winning 1k, you cannot stay there and go back to kl. Is this kind of life that you want? Just put 1k on your initial bet. If win then stop. Or double up until you win once then stop.

That's why Genting won't scare even if you win 1k per day. and not everyone will have 200k capital to play like that. The rich ones better spend the time and money to do business better.
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QUOTE(uamcy @ Jan 21 2020, 04:55 AM)
Even if he had winning cheque from casino, I am sure he will lose back on it unless he stops stepping inside to Genting or playing any online gambling.
No need so many players la. It will not make any difference.

The only sure winning system is to prepare a lot of chips. It's easy to win just 1k per day. 1 month is 30k. But your life would be meaningless and you need to have a high discipline. Have to travel kl-genting every day. After winning 1k, you cannot stay there and go back to kl. Is this kind of life that you want? Just put 1k on your initial bet. If win then stop. Or double up until you win once then stop.

That's why Genting won't scare even if you win 1k per day. and not everyone will have 200k capital to play like that. The rich ones better spend the time and money to do business better.
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professional / full time gambler now dun bet at Genting anymore. Hardly find another casino that can offer lower package than Genting Malaysia .......perhaps they trying to kick out those who cari makan 1k-2k per day full time gambler.
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going there with all the time spent = working hours + not 100% make profits and expenses to cover each trip. earn Rm500 daily seem enough to cover as working.

going in the casino is not simple as the most player thinks and planned, anyhow if you or anyone is gonna be casino player will say they know there is a way to win, with their own thinking or system, else you won't go casino at the 1st place.

win is not the issue always!, but how to keep winning and not losing back is the key.

so i try to develop an auto platform and let work 24/7 and hourly gain little profit is enough.
hopefully it get the target daily with Rm250 ~ 300 daily.
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post Jan 21 2020, 07:08 PM

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My gosh.... This guy is disillusional if he can make a system for casino. For sports betting maybe yes. But n way for casino.

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