Hi,

I recently bought a modified xbox360. Along with this, i bought a few original games and a few other ones (mainly coz i wanted to try them out and chances are, not like them and put them aside forever)...

To be clear, the purpose of the modified xbox was primarily o make copies of the games i bought.

I learnt however that despite having original games, i won't be able to use the xbox on Live, and therefore not be able to use multiplayer.

Assuming that microsoft knows if your xbox has had a firmware change, i started looking for modchips that do not require firmware hacks, and found a few options for modchips that do not require a firmware flash and automatically switch off when i am online...

Now my question is basically, can i get a modified Xbox returned to its original state, and then modify it with a chip sourced on my own to allow me to play back up games whilst simultaneously allowing me to play online with the original games. I am no electrical engineer so the process of modding is somewhat beyond me.

But as i find that my original game discs stop working after a little while (i found this out with the previous xbox and ps2), i want to be able to backup the games i buy..

In any case, any opinions would be much appreciated...

Thanks.

Regards,

Pars.

Yeah right....

Hmmm.. i detect a degree of scepticism...

Ok ok... i also bought a modified box so i could try shitty games that i don't really want to own or pay a legitimate dollar for. As unlike clothes, i cannot generally try before i buy.

I own 6 games now... 5 of them are originals...

Pars.

This post has been edited by Parsifal: Dec 18 2006, 04:12 PM

buy 2 machines . un-touched & modded. problems solved. anyway CD-ROMs & DVD-ROMs have a lifespan of 50 yrs++ (barring accidents/physical damage)

The problem with CD-ROMs and DVD-ROMs is not their theoretical lifespan, it is the coming home after a night out and manhandling them into the machine, strewing them about, using them as coasters (sic) and so on... the practical lifespan for a disc is far shorter than the theoretical one...


I am considering another unit as the last option i guess.

But the question still stands, can i re-mod a modded xbox?

You can revert the firmware if you want to do that. And then after that, you can add any modchip you deem fit I guess.

You must have the original firmware in order to put it back into it's original state. As for Samsung drive you can find the appropriate original firmware version and replace it with your current dvd drive key. For instance if your Samsung original firmware was MS25, you need to find the original MS25 firmware and replace the dvd drive key with your hacked firmware dvd drive key. This involves opening your box and dump the current dvd rom drive firmware and copy out the drive key into the original firmware and flash it back into your dvd rom drive and you'll have your x360 back into it's original state.

But better be safe to have the original firmware. That's why I modded the box my own so that I can backup the original firmware and flash it back to the original state whenever I like.

in that case.. pars since u bought urs.. i dont think they give u ur original key.. so theoritically u can't revert back..

Excellent...thank you for the response. Reverting the firmware is principally what i want to do...

I kinda bought the machine without really doing any research whatsoever... so this is just rewards i guess.

the modchip i am considering is manufactured by... http://www.team-underdog.com/

Is there somewhere i can get this done? I am not to comfortable with doing this myself...

Thanks again..


Ack!! i just noticed more responses so a quick edit... ok... no, i bought the machine modded so i don't have my own key... hmmm... hell, i don't even know if its a samsung drive, its starting to sound much easier to just but an original one... :-)

Once again, thanks for the response...

Regards,

Pars

This post has been edited by Parsifal: Dec 18 2006, 05:36 PM

Personally, I would have two 360s in that case, one to play strictly jacksparrow stuff and one for LIVE, when you buy a game, if you want to buy the pirated stuff then test on the modded 360, and if you like it and want to play on LIVE with real gamers, get the original to go along with the original 360. It's an expensive jump to fully original games, I would know I made that jump six months ago.

As it stands, I think that there is little that you can do about the modded 360, this being because knowing the sellers of such goods in this country, they lost the original firmware. I would PM djinn on this forum and ask him for the best course of action.

Personally though, I from now on ALWAYS support original games and their developers and what not

i do not know is it true but i asked a guy in sungei wang and he said that they are different types of modification...
1) U can play ehem games but cant XBL
2) U can play ehem games and XBL with original games
3) U can play ehem games and XBL even with ehem games

well...actually i doubt what he said

I am pretty sure he is about right with 1 and 2. Not sure about 3 though.

The only question is how long will Microsoft let modded consoles go on Live?

UHM.....mod or unmod....MRs.ori and MR.jack....never finish story.

Actually you can revert back to your original firmware. This can only be done like I said, if you can find the untouched firmware (it's possible...I've found all the untouch firmwares for all drives, Samsung and Hitachi) that matches with your original firmware and ask someone that really know how to do it for you....

Original firmwares for Samsung Drive have 2 versions i.e ms25 and ms28. If your box was manufactured after June and your drive is Samsung, 100% possibility your original firmware is ms28.

As for Hitachi there are around 9 firmwares and version 0078 being the latest.

If you want to install a modchip and if your box is fitted with the latest Samsung or Hitachi drive, the installation of the modchip will be a bit difficult if compare to older drives as you have to remove the epoxy around the flash rom (the SST chip). One way for M$ trying to stop people to put a modchip inside the dvd drive. But yet it still can be done with a proper tool.

Here's to check wether your drive is a Samsung or Hitachi. Just eject your drive and compare with the picture below.



It depends on which firmware hacks is being used to flash into x360. If the shop is using the latest firmware you can play original and backup offline and online (XBL).
The question now is we really don't know when M$ will going to ban all the modded boxes. If you're really concern about XBL and you'll die if you ever to lose it then stay with unmodded boxes and play originals.

This post has been edited by tot31: Dec 18 2006, 08:18 PM

my 2 cents:

thts the reason they give out demos on live. personally, if i want to know whether the game is a must-buy or not, i will try out the demos first. then read reviews, online or in mags. or thru threads here.

if it's a damn good game, i'd save money to buy it. if it's a so-so game and not 'play-it-now-or-die' material, then i'll wait. probably just buy 2nd hand or wait till price go lower, etc. if it's shit, i won't buy it.

dude, where there's a will, there's a way. i respect your principle of having a modded console to 'make copies of your ori games' or to 'try out the game see if its shitty or not' but why spend the extra dough just to get a modded box + jacksparrow games to try it out when u can try the demo for free?

this is for those who have the intentions to buy both consoles: if you're rich enough to buy 2 consoles and probably pay for 2 games (eventually u will, even if jacksparrow costs RM1 still it's like..extra?) why not channel that dough into full ori?

my opinion anyways. but trust me dude when i say..just go ori and you'll never regret it. no worries for bricking yer consoles, no worries of which firmware/modchip to get, stable or not, no worries of gettin banned on live. the only thing u need to worry/think about is your financial mgmt. case closed.

cheers dude, and merry xmas! ..an advanced wish if i must say eh?

p.s: sorry if any of my opinion offended u or somehow sounds like a repetitive nagging.

this situation never ends......
...u wanna go Live, u buy ori stuff.......u wanna go offline,u.....well.....u know wat im gonna say.....

..i rest my case...

Hmmm..wonder wwhere is the moderator???? Piracy is evil no matter what is the reason.....so, hope that u find a way to re-mod it to original or the easiest way..return it back to the seller n ask for the original 1...one of the forumers here had even traded in his modded console for unmodded 1....

This post has been edited by silencer: Dec 18 2006, 09:52 PM

Hahahahaah.. THAT ME?????

No worry play XBL... just connect ... and there u go... if MOD version.. always... fear to connect ONLINE... dont want ma.. kena BANNED... u know la M$.....

hm...yakah?i've always supported ori, i've like 6 ori 360 games and the money i've spent on my 360 has reached around rm2700 (plus repairs and extras).
i'm still a student btw and those are my money i've saved all these years!!!
and guess wat? after supporting ori n stuff my 360 kena 3ROD and now it can't be fixed.i just bought a brand new GOW which i didn't even have a chance to put into my 360..WTF!!! i really don't know what i should do now....save money all over again to buy anothe 360 or sell all the games and accessories off..starting to hate MS..

i sense bro Private John and his chainsaw coming.OH,THERE HE IS!!RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!!

Hey thanks for all the replies... lots of useful information. Truth be told, if i was aware that this was going to be an issue, i would probably have gotten an original box. That said, i would probably have wanted it modded to see what was possible anyways.

no offense taken man... thanks for the constructive replies.

I will get in touch with Djinn sometime to see whats possible.

I don't like the idea of microsoft telling me what i can and cannot do with hardware that i have purchased so I still want a modded set, just modded the way i want it to be... especially considering i buy original games.

Thanks again for all the responses...

Best regards,

Pars

somehow those big titles usually dont have Demo one..
or they will come out so late that by that time its so useless..

NO DOAX2, GOW, Viva pinata, COD3 demos..

original games???? hahahahahahha

what's so funny ?

dude you are at the wrong place lah... guess most of us here in this section are laughing at you at the moment

Ahhhh. The old and classics excuse: Try before you buy. So Lame!!! PERIOD!!

here we go again n again... weeeee!!!!

n i say: Piracy Sucks, Buy Original FTW!

lalalalalala...

never ending .... story.... .. ZzzzzzzzzzzZzzzz

i really find the whole "try before you buy" excuse really funny. Twisted logic man.

dude, i said go ori cos that's the way to go. getting 3ROD is not a byproduct of getting an original console, its called bad luck. i feel for you cos i myself wasn't born with a golden spoon stuck up my arse, and i know the pain when u see the thing u spent ur savings on go down the drain.

not to sound like a broken-down cliche record player, but everything tht happens, happens for a reason, and where there's a will there's a way.

dude, try sending ur set to MS SG, or to djinn. maybe someone wants to get ur console for a price maybe eventho it's 3ROD. who knows man. don't just give up when one guy tells u "aiyoh u punya xbox mati la. tak boleh repair". search in the forums for ppl..a lot of nice guys here tht can help you for sure. i bet u you'll find a way.

how do u know if u supported piracy, u'd never get 3ROD. or how would u know if u bought a PS3 u'd never get problems?

relating 'buying original stuff' to a 3ROD problem is somewhat...uh...how should i say it...nonsense.

anyway bro, i wish u the best of luck and guys..if someone can help him..please do.

cheers.

Hmmm....does that mean by buying the pirates games won't cause any 3ROD?
And buying the original will have an adverse effect such as 3 ROD for your 360..????

I hate MS too..but I am still using windows XP to type this message...))))

and not SP2?


ori or not has nothing to do with 3ROD. but warranty is.

haha sorry guys..misunderstanding..that's not what i'm trying to say..
what i'm trying to say is, i support MS by buying ori but what do i get in return? its not bad luck...its MS doing a shitty job...dun tell me that u guys buy something and expects it to break down..e.g. u spend rm 700k to buy a BMW,for this money u spent u r expecting to get top class quality. but then ur BMW's engin kena 3ROD n breaks down.tell me, wat kind of sh!t is this? and IMO, there shouldn't even be a thing such as 3ROD in the first place!! cheers guy..no offence

yes i agree with u on tht degree. but it's not just MS ok. even the PS1 had its fair share of overheating problems when the first batch came out.

oh and it's impossible for a BMW to kena 3ROD. reason is..well.. j/k

Shit happens

haha ya...have to accept it anyway..nothing can be done..
AND ANOTHER THING JUST HAPPENED!! HELP GUYS!!!

ok it was July then, i bought a 1-month subscribtion of xbox live( for july only)
after that my 360 broke down, haven played any games since then.
now here's the problem.to day i checked my NexG credit card and i found out that @#%@# MS just charged me RM120 for the last three months of xboxlive!!! and i didn't even order that nor played ONE CENT of it!!

my question is:
1) after you subscribe for 1 month, does MS automatically renews it after that every month?

2)if yes, how do i stop MS from charging me now onwards? (i've check their website and couldn't find any links)

3)if no, wat can i do to get a refund?

dam MS...scam so much of my money...help guys..

1. yes.

2. call them and ask to stop. if unable to call last resort is ask your cc to block payment to ms.

3. try call them and negotiate.

oh? you mean they automatically reload you gold account after it expires? so what's the use of having 1-mth, 3-mth or 1yr subscriptions then?

MS memang crappy...pandai at scamming people's money...
guess i'll hav to call them besok to get back my rm120.
ai..hope they'll give it back

XP750 : Do remember to call MS Singapore and not MS Malaysia, cause the 360 isn't launched here and as grey imports we dont have any official support channels available to us here. We're all just violating TOS by playing it here.

You cannot salahkan MS. You tak baca TOS sampai hapis. Ramai orang suka salahkan orang lain.. Tapi sendiri yang tada baca TOS dan Agreement. Jgn pandang remeh benda macam tuh lain kali.

Ok... this is pissing me off, look, when MS pays all its staff worldwide the same friggin salary, then i'll worry about the plight of software developers, when they agree that what i am buying when i buy a game is the friggin content and not the medium its delivered in (ie a disc / tape / R2D2), they i'll worry software developers income statements, when holier than thou types with in all likelihood a room full of pirated dvds, music and software give it all up and exclusively buy original stuff, then i'll worry about the philosophical repurcussions of piracy.

I have said i buy original games. if a disc gets spoiled, does friggin MS give me a new one for the price of a disc? NO!! so they can go jump in a big friggin vat of "woe is me" for all i care as i will continue to find ways of backing shite up!

Most of this "piracy is lame" crap has started AFTER game prices dropped to very acceptable levels, and i admit they are at VERY acceptable levels. But where were your friggin principles when games were expensive??? Don't know about you but i was buying original games then too...

This was a simple technical question... i wanted technical knowledge and thankfully, i got some. If i wanted philosophical inputs, i would have asked someone at the nearest church / mosque / temple.

Sorry, but i needed a rant, i'll stop now. Thanks again to everyone for their responses.


Best regards,

Pars.

This post has been edited by Parsifal: Dec 20 2006, 03:26 PM

Actually the try before you buy philosophy is neither lame nor twisted. It is the results of years of bad games developed by subpar companies. Heck, even established companies comes out with shitty games at time.

Demos are one way to go, and the XBOX Live is quite a good place to try new games. It is not perfect yet, but its a good step. Reading reviews can only help so much because it is such a personal experience when it comes to gaming.

I can test drive a car before buying. I can test a TV/digicam/DVD player/audio system before buying. Why can't I test games?

Anyway pars is buying original games and backing it up, its not as though he is buying pirated and backing it up (that would be sick). Sometimes, I find the "original" warriors jump on people far too easy.

As for the XBOX Live account, if you used your credit card to pay for the subscription, it is stated very clearly that it will automatically renew when it expires. Always read things carefully before you sign up for things. Don't be quick to blame MS for it.

"try before you buy philosophy"...can download games first or borrow "kawan" first loh...

Some ppl have been against piracy even when original gameboy games cost around rm 300 each and had to be bought when holidaying overseas and will take offence to such statements

Pars make his point clear, he want to backup his original games so he would be able to store them safely so it doesn't get damage. As you know the current xbox360 design can scratch or damage ur disc easily and yes I do hear shit from lot's of ppl that their disc get scratch even they dont move their console too. So better be safe than sorry, it is just pointless to buy the same game for multiple times, like what Pars says, we buy the game for it's content not the media type. Who care whether it comes in CD. DVD, HD-DVD, UMD, cassette tape, Magnetic tape or etc, what we care about is the content.

This post has been edited by lexasp: Dec 20 2006, 04:57 PM

"For use only with Xbox 360 entertainment systems with "NTSJ-J" designation. Unauthorized copying, reverse engineering, transmission, public performance, rental, pay to play, or circumvention of copy protection is strictly prohibited....."

hehehe

ops. Sky Fire!!!

Lock me up, Johnny!

ooo i see..so it automatically reloads if ur using a cc for method of payment..aight2..

so if it's in the TOS then jgn salahkan MS la.. thx for the enlightenment.

Ernm, sorry..went to Scotland for 4 days. Damn the Scottish.

Abit lost touch here but i will just close this thread for now in case any shiat happens.