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post Feb 15 2019, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(tishaban @ Feb 15 2019, 09:24 AM)
I've been using my Breville dual boiler (BDB) for almost 3 years. I've not compared it to the chinese made machines, but it's been a joy to use, relatively forgiving and very consistent. It's also very easy to maintain and has been reliable pulling an average 2-3 shots daily. I've not been adventurous enough to try the Slayer shots on the BDB but it does show the flexibility of the machine. I paid RM4,500 for it from Midah Electrical back then.

Don't forget to check out the Oscar 2, should be around RM3,800 thereabouts, also a good choice but someone else will have to comment on how this compares to the Chinese ones.
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What grinder you're using and your current setting is finest grain?

With your current configuration, how thick is your crema? up to 30% of the espresso?

Sorry I had lots of doubt on Breville capability. My current china machine barely do 15% crema on coarse setting and nearly 2% on fine grain only, which is quite disappointing.
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post Feb 15 2019, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Feb 15 2019, 10:54 AM)
Yes,  crema is extremely dependent on the type and roast date of the coffee
It would not be a good measuring stick on how well a machine is performing
Unless you're all about Italian style darkr/obusta based espresso, I rather recommend you grade the machine by consistency and the cup by taste rather than appearance (blindfold yourself if necessary to remove bias)
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You mean the consistency of espresso flow or the taste?

I don't have coffee lover around to share and learn, I just go by instinct. I think my current machine doesn't have consistent pressure to press, I got some crema on first few sec then after that it's dripping only
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post Feb 15 2019, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Feb 15 2019, 02:16 PM)
Machine Specs Consistency
Same pressure, same volume of water over time & same temperature throughout
Higher end machines is basically being able to very consistently maintain the above variables even in very fast paced environments (back to back shots)

Taste Consistency
Taste consistency is more difficult as it is a cumulative output of multiple systems
1. Coffee Beans - roast profile/storage/defects
2. Grinder performance/consistency
3. Distribution/Tamping (human dependent)
4. And then of course the espresso machine consistency
So in summary, if we are simply evaluating how good an espresso machine is, look at how consistent it is in doing it's basic job of dispensing water rather than how tasty the espresso it can produce since the second part involves many other components
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Thanks sifu advice. Btw, Expensive machine able to control water volume for every press?

Also, tamping affect the taste as well? I thought I had to just press it until it's flat and even?
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post Feb 19 2019, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(Tikietic @ Feb 19 2019, 01:23 AM)
30% crema.. you mean something like this?
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it's not a very good/reliable indicator for a good coffee, but it's just added fun like a glass of guinness stout.. besides, it won't stay and the crema will collapse eventually over time.. by the way, i'm using a china machine here.. it's very easy to over-generalize "china machines" into 1 single stereotype.. if you know what you're looking for, you can get seriously good stuff for a reasonable price..
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Yeap. something like that.. China machine could do it but with coarser grain. I wish to build heavy crema like that with fine grain.
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post Feb 19 2019, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(Tikietic @ Feb 19 2019, 03:06 PM)
Seriously, what China machine (and grinder) are you using here?! Name and model to be specific..
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Donlim DL-KF7001 with "wonderful grinder" (highest spec, titanium coated or something)
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post Feb 19 2019, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(lowkl @ Feb 19 2019, 09:02 AM)
May I ask why? Are your timings ok? 25sec to 35sec?

More (or most) importantly, how's the taste?
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Most of the time around 30sec with good crema. On fine grain, it's going to be 60sec or so on, where I would lose all the crema.

I wanted the complexity on fine grain but also thick crema which give you a smooth latte/cap intake.
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post Feb 20 2019, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(lowkl @ Feb 19 2019, 09:50 PM)
I would suggest a machine that can do pressure profiling. This way you can dial down the pressure, keep the grind a little coarser, and achieve the longer extraction time.

Maybe a Flair.....
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Flair Pro VS Breville's Dual boiler, What you think?

I'm thinking to upgrade a whole machine, since my current Donlim has small boiler and I have to wait a little while before frothing my milk.

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post Feb 20 2019, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(Tikietic @ Feb 20 2019, 03:05 PM)
Bro, have you done any mods to your machine?

Else, what you have is an entry-level(to some, it's toy grade) China machine.. 20-bar(by some non ULKA pump; Defond), pressurized portafilter(gives wholesome fake crema).. we have used such China machine before; don't stress yourself out too much about extraction results, it's difficult to even have a stable temp on such entry-level machine to begin with..
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No mods, totally clear that it's a basic/toy level with the fragile filter holder. That's why I'm looking into upgrading it. If breville is not worth then which should I go?
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post Feb 21 2019, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(Tikietic @ Feb 20 2019, 09:24 PM)
if you want to move up and don't wish to spend too much but yet able to have a lots of room to learn... the good 'ol rancilio silvia (if you can find one) is very good, price wise too.. but if you intend to go China again, i have a few serious brands for consideration; milesto, expobar, wpm (each have it's own individual series; from the lesser to the greater within each brand).. e.g meaning not all wpm machines are the same.

(Update - it seems La Marsa Coffee might still be selling the Silvia, do check with them)
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Rancilio silvia can adjust how much water to press per batch? The price looks good...
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post Jan 21 2021, 05:30 PM

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Hi guys, my non-pressurized porta filter on Delonghi ec685 couldn't flow evenly. Is my tamping method wrong or this shyt machine couldn't pump at that bean coarse level?

This is my biggest regret of getting ec685 from Donlim 7001.
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post Jan 22 2021, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(honght @ Jan 22 2021, 01:41 PM)
Most likely is your grinder.
What grinder are you using ?
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burr hand grinder.. nameless or something, someone recommended me in this thread. Very less likely it's the grinder fault.
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post Jan 22 2021, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(air @ Jan 22 2021, 02:38 PM)
nameless burr hand grinder, how much it cost?

Almost confirmed grinder issue.
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QUOTE(honght @ Jan 22 2021, 03:42 PM)
Could be due to the inconsistency particle size of the grounded coffee beans from the hand grinder.
Nameless handgrinder from China ?
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Refer to this :

QUOTE(SheepGeeks @ Feb 19 2019, 09:33 PM)
Donlim DL-KF7001 with "wonderful grinder" (highest spec, titanium coated or something)
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I took the highest spec 640Yen..
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post Jan 22 2021, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(lowkl @ Jan 22 2021, 04:58 PM)
I'm not familiar with your grinder, although when you mentioned 'nameless' what came to mind was the Anonymous hand grinder, which is very good.

When you say you get uneven flow, can you give more details?

Do you WDT?

Can you share your dose size?
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Uneven as in espresso flow didn't came up on certain holes. Probably, I should make a video here.

I didn't WDT instead go leveling directly with weighed tamper, never know about WDT thing until you mentioned here.
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Jan 22 2021, 05:18 PM)
There is some debate on the efficacy of levelling; looks really cool though.

Try reducing your dose maybe 1g at a time. Overpacked portafilters give inconsistent results. Each basket really has quite a narrow range of ideal dose size.

Have you tried the coin test? Tamp a dose then gently place a 5 Sen coin on the dose. Lock the portafilter, then immediately unlock it and check. Ideally the coin would not cause any depression in the dose. If you feel you have lots of space, you can up your dose.
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Ohh.. Haven't tried that yet. Now I'm also figuring out the correct dosage for my shot ever since I replaced the stock pressurized filter with non-pressurized portafilter.

Apart of that, wanna ask if I pull 1 shot water amount on a big basket within 30s, is there any effect on the shot? Please enlighten me Sifu..
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post Jan 22 2021, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(lowkl @ Jan 22 2021, 05:54 PM)
Water to coffee ratios make a big difference in taste. No right or wrong, just your preference. The 'normal' ratio is often described as 2:1, meaning 2 parts coffee output for 1 part coffee grounds. This can go down to a ristretto being 1:1 (or 0.5:1 for a double ristretto) to lungo which is often described as 3:1 and others even higher. Tune the ratio to your taste. Too bitter, cut back on the water. Too sour, add some water. Of course I'm being way too simplistic as many other factors come into play.

I was just browsing through the specs of your machine: 20 bar! That is crazy high. Any way to tune it down? Overpressure valve?

(and aiyoh no Sifu terminology la....we are all enthusiasts on a journey)
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Wow.. such quality information there. Thanks alot.

The machine not tuneable but it’s really impressive, I’m quite surprised it can extract finer bean than sh*tty Delonghi EC685. Sadly, I’d disposed the machine as it’s not cleanable after 2 years++.


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post Jan 25 2021, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(moganathass @ Jan 25 2021, 10:10 AM)
You can make great coffees with Delonghi. Don't simply put down with the bad reviews out there.

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I'm not sure you're a seller, supporter or whatover. I'm bias on the model not the brand. Things should be transparent across here, to tell all coffee lover out there.

Especially when things cost more than a "china machine" and couldn't extract at same course level. It's not about the method, it's about the capability extracting the complexity of each bean. If you still persist, defend yourselves at Hoffman then..
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QUOTE(austinjklim @ Jan 23 2021, 03:39 PM)
Just had the Donlim KF6001 for about 4 months, using a Hario mini slim to grind fine enough for this machine. Honestly, this machine isn't bad for the cost.

By the way, anyone knows a good way to steam milk for latte art? I'm using this steam wand from this machine and so far all my milk aren't thiccc enough for latte art.

Not sure whether its me, machine or milk choice. Been using various whole milk and low fat milk such as Nestle, Goodday, Vsoy.
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I'm not sure about 6001 model, but 7001 definitely couldn't froth thick enough for latte art. The pressure head and price are the main strength for this machine.

For tasting bean complexity, I would strongly recommend this machine. Especially you can experiment ultra extraction (up to oilly shot).

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