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post Oct 5 2018, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Oct 5 2018, 03:49 PM)
Yes the AP continues to be a factor for us.
So we have to go through another middle man that imports it first and then we select from them. Hence the extra overhead
Not to mention the volume of home brewers are not yet at the level we see compared to other countries and I would say alot prefer variety (most will repeat the same order but instead opt to try a different bean everytime)

The overhead that we incur to RnD (profiling) and human hours (we're not roasting large batches in automatic machines and just leaving it on the shelves till you order) means we have to keep margins at a certain minimum just to keep ourselves afloat  biggrin.gif
If we screw up a roast - curves not matching/not changing settings at the right time/gas run out/spills....all this goes to the rubbish bin
Small artisan style business is tough in Malaysia haha

Anyways, I would also encourage more learning and reading about origins, flavors etc.
It's not as simple to just compare price to weight. Not all coffees come from the same source and go through the same processing/sorting
Alot of the unique flavors come from terroir conditions - soil, weather, elevation + varietals (rare ones such as Sidra, WushWush, Gesha) combine to change the prices
End of the day, I much prefer to judge a price based on the cup quality. How unique and clear are the flavors as well as the level of sweetness and finish that you are getting
This justifies the price of green + price of roaster's skill

Additionally, I will be transparent here and give you guys real world example. Nothing to hide here anyways, the coffee commodity Coffee Price (C-Price) is a global available daily index:
Commercial grade screen size sorted to 17/18 screen size (large beans) Brazil - RM16/kg green coffee cost
Specialty grade midrange Ethiopia - RM40-50/kg green
Best of Panama/Gesha/Competition coffees/COE/New experimental processing  - Anywhere from RM300/kg to RM20,000/kg green (and want also not necessary can get, need to bid/auction/buy whole farm)

So............................can't just go with weight/price  sad.gif  sad.gif
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Thanks for this, very good informative post. I think it's true for other parts of the creative industry as well. We rarely recognize the value of human aptitude in certain fields..their expertise, time, effort, pure talent. A good example would be artists and photographers finding it hard to justify the prices that they charge to customers for their artwork and/or services.
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post Oct 5 2018, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(Tikietic @ Oct 4 2018, 10:16 PM)
I assume you're not familiar with a nominalization way of quoting things for easy comparison. Per KG, per hour, per kilometer, per square feet, etc are quoted for easy comparison. Doesn't necessarily means I buy in 1 KG bags.

In wholesale, stuff are usually quoted as such.. So, you'll know despite the differences in small packaging, the base price can still be compared.
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You're right, I have little experience in wholesale. However, what I meant by my comment was that I've never splurged or spent an amount in excess of RM100~200 in a single order for roasted coffee beans, because I prefer to buy in smaller, more manageable, quantities.
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post Oct 17 2018, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(mdyyliew @ Oct 17 2018, 11:30 AM)
Simply put, 'coffee waves' can be described as the movement or trend in coffee industry.

An understanding of the history of coffee is necessary, but this 'waves' can be briefly described as below

Before first wave: Coffee was a luxury good grown in the colonies and consumed in the western countries by the rich.

First wave: Best represented by instant and canned coffees. Advancement of packaging(canned and vacuum), transport(faster ships) and production (mass roasting of coffee) led to coffee becoming a cheap commodity. The 'movement' here was to produce cheap coffee so that everyone can enjoy a cup of coffee. In short, cheap and bad coffee.

Second wave: This wave is best represented by Starbucks. Using Italian coffee culture as a basis, special drinks such as espresso, latte, etc. is introduced worldwide. The 'movement' here is to emphasize here is the coffee beverage and the experience drinking it. This is why most second wave cafes prioritize ambiance and menus over the actual quality of the coffee beans. In short, expensive and average coffee.

Third wave: Started by indie roasters in US, this wave concentrates on the quality of coffee from bean to cup. Single origin coffees with traceable sourcing is prioritized and roasters are willing to pay a premium price for better coffee.
This movement was started in the early 2000 in US and is now making their way in Malaysia over the past few years. That's why you can see more single origin coffees offered by roasters nowadays.
The emphasis of this wave is the coffee beans itself rather than some fancy drinks. In short, expensive and good coffee.

?Fourth wave: Not really an official wave yet especially not in Malaysia. The criticism of third wave is that too much emphasis on quality of coffee beans without regards to the impact of the growing/processing techniques have on the environment/social/economy of the producing country. This movement emphasizes on the sustainability of coffee production.

It is important to note that while they are called 'waves', they are not mutually exclusive and you can still pretty much get first, second and third waves coffee in Malaysia.

How does all this affects us as home brewers?
For one, the price of coffee beans would make a difference here.

Price of coffee beans:

First wave (Traditional local roasted coffee/instant coffee) < Second wave (Starbucks/Tesco/Ikea dark roasted coffee) < Third Wave (Specialty grade coffee)

In conclusion, it is good to know these 'waves' so that you don't overpay your coffee.  thumbsup.gif biggrin.gif

Sorry for the long and geeky post, just sharing my 2 cents biggrin.gif
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Although I have read of the various waves in coffee culture previously, this post of yours is well-presented and is very informative. Well done and thank you for sharing.

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post Oct 24 2018, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(wshazi @ Oct 24 2018, 08:45 AM)
got mine from ocam.my

they are having promo i.e. RM65/kg but not much selection.
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How was the beans from ocam..roasted well & tastes good?
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post Oct 24 2018, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(wshazi @ Oct 24 2018, 02:52 PM)
i took the gayo arabica beans. Roasted 2 weeks before. Light to medium roast. Produced well balance espresso.
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Thanks for the feedback. Any fruit notes? Thr Sumatra Acheh Gayo I'm brewing currently tastes strongly of nangka.

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post Oct 24 2018, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(wshazi @ Oct 24 2018, 05:38 PM)
Brewed using my el-cheapo machine, with milk. Earthy, choco with slight fruity taste.
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Ok, thank you.
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post Oct 24 2018, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Oct 24 2018, 11:16 PM)
Woah. That's rare.
I've only tasted nangka from the Bali regions never from Sumatra itself
Mind to share where did you buy it from?
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Sure. It's Sumatran Acheh Gayo by BEAM. I'm brewing using filter, mostly v60 & Kalita Wave 155. Roaster's tasting notes were tropical fruit & chocolate, but I'm tasting nangka, and it's quite prominent.
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post Oct 30 2018, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(Bryan89 @ Oct 28 2018, 05:02 PM)
Hey im using baratza encore. Im not sure if you are famiiar but i just want to ask, the recommended grind size for a pour over would be around 12-14 but i find tht its abit too fine. Not sure if its the grinder or i didnt set it up right
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May I know where you bought the Encore from?
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post Dec 13 2018, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(Zelmel @ Dec 13 2018, 02:03 PM)
Hi. I am from Sarawak. Where can I get fresh whole coffee bean from Malaysia online store?
Any recommendations of which store roast nice coffee bean.
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Also check out Arkib Kopi & Sprezzatura. Google these two up.
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post Dec 18 2018, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(xenith @ Dec 15 2018, 08:42 PM)
because of flat bottom design, the sendiment will slow down the flow rate. but as suggested by one of the forumer, need to fold the paper filter.
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If I'm not mistaken, flow rate will always be faster initially during the pour, but will slow down greatly as time goes on. The water has to 'work' more to get through the coffee. This happens with all filter designs, i.e. truncated cone, V-shaped, and flat bottom e.g Kalita Wave.

QUOTE(Ryou @ Dec 15 2018, 10:12 PM)
I have several filters, mainly Glass V60, Kinto Slow Brewer Ceramic and Clever dripper.
When I still worked in cafe, we also use Kono (I participated in Taiwan's Hand Drip Cup with Kono as well) and Sanyo ceramic dripper as well.
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Wow, first time I've heard of the Sanyo dripper. How was your experience using it?

QUOTE(built @ Dec 16 2018, 02:44 PM)
yes; once the water temp and extraction rate are established.
i started with hario but uses daiso (4 holes) regularly now.
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I have 2 of the Daiso plastic drippers, bought in my early days of home brewing. They correspond roughly to Kalita 101 & 102 size, 3 holes. But hole size is different between the two, one has larger diameter holes than the other. Strangely enough, I've never been able to get a good cup of coffee to my liking from these Daiso drippers.

QUOTE(alvinfks78 @ Dec 17 2018, 11:51 AM)
Collective looks interesting, do you know if they roast to order? the site doesn't write the roast date for their beans.
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I recently made an order from Perk Coffee. You can try them as well. Good quality beans. They roast every Monday or Tuesday and ship the coffee out to you the day after, so if you make your order during the weekend, you'll be able to receive your coffee by Wednesday. Just a few days after roast. Still have to let the beans rest, though.

Arkib Kopi always roasts to order. And IIRC Reframe Coffee Roasters does too.

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post Dec 20 2018, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(Ryou @ Dec 18 2018, 02:57 PM)
I thought the Sanyo Aritayaki 三洋有田烧 has been quite common for some time?

It shares some similarities with the Kalita 102 but the botton is much well-designed. You will see more ribs to support the paper filter, allowing airflow and resulting in faster flow-rate than the Kalita 102. However, it is still much slower than a Haria v60. In my pass experience, the Sanyo Aritayaki will be a bolder coffee, and paired with lower water-temp and medium size grind, you will get a sweet & bold coffee that still retains its acidity.

However, our shop replaced it with the ZeroJapan which works nearly similarly but has a better built quality.
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Thanks for sharing your feedback smile.gif That Zero Japan dripper looks very similar to the Bee House.

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post Dec 20 2018, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(Ryou @ Dec 20 2018, 02:50 PM)
They are the same. Used to be called Bee House before it was sold to ZeroJapan biggrin.gif
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Ah, no wonder then. TIL, thanks. What are your thoughts on the Bee House? Same output as from the Sanyo?
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post Dec 21 2018, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(Ryou @ Dec 20 2018, 10:46 PM)
I doubt the difference on taste is noticeable or not. But the Bee House is much convenient if you brew directly over a mug as it comes with a hole as windows.
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Right, thanks.
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post Jan 1 2019, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Jan 1 2019, 03:24 PM)
Very good even roast! No tipping too  thumbup.gif
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May I know what is tipping?
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post Jan 1 2019, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Jan 1 2019, 06:11 PM)
Burnt points, usually at the tips of the beans - because this is the location of the embryo hence the softest part
This is a roast defect that can contribute to higher burnt/bitter notes in the coffee
Usually caused by too high drum temperatures used during the roast

https://www.sweetmarias.com/SM_Macro_Images_2/Pages/1.html
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TIL...thanks much for the info!
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post Jan 2 2019, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(Cloud2322 @ Jan 2 2019, 04:25 PM)
Anyway, have anybody came across any cafe that is serving Turkish Coffee in Malaysia?
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Try this place: https://www.facebook.com/pranaalchemycafe/
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post Feb 2 2019, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(Harddisk @ Jan 29 2019, 05:58 PM)
Union Roastery @ Citta Mall is selling Ethiopian now, if you're around there.
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What's their price point?
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post Feb 3 2019, 01:42 AM

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QUOTE(Harddisk @ Feb 2 2019, 06:53 PM)
RM50. They call it premium.

But I noticed something though on this pack that I bought. It's a blend. I noticed 2 roast level of beans in it.

Could you still call it single origin if you blend 2 beans of same region?  sweat.gif

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Thanks for the info re: pricing. Looking at the photo, I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be impressed/happy with roasted beans that look like that. For one, there appears to be quite a number of very darkly roasted beans mixed with some obviously underdeveloped/too-lightly-roasted ones. Some of the former looks positively burnt. For RM50 (per 250g bag?), I expect a proper, even, uniform roast.

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post Feb 3 2019, 02:09 AM

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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Feb 2 2019, 07:47 PM)
Yes, the term single origin describes the origin of the coffee from which farm/area and not necessarily by roast level
That being said, let me share some things about origin

There are multiple ways coffee is bagged up and delivered to roasters and can vary the definition of "Single Origin" depending or individuals
Take note that even on a single farm/same farmer, it's possible for the farmer to try to plant a different varietal or apply pruning/fertilizers/etc to different trees on different parts of the farm

Hence:

1. Microlots - Same farm but only a subset of cherries from certain plot/trees/harvest/varietal of the farm. fun fact: Rubens Ghardelli wins Italian Brewers Cup using coffee from only a SINGLE TREE
2. Single Estate - Cherries from all over the farm but a single farm only (could be mixed varietals)
3. Single COOP - A Cooperative that group up the harvest of multiple smaller farmers
4. Single Country - Collection of coffee from all over the country - Typical for Brazil/Colombia (would you still consider this single origin?). Argument is a blend is usually a mixture of multiple countries and therefore a single origin should be single country?
5. Heirloom Varietal - Usually coffees from Ethiopia are Heirloom varietals - meaning natural mutation and wild coffee plants. Farmers don't even know which tree is which varietal. A single farm may have 10-15 varietals going on and nobody would know better!

Love to hear everyone's thoughts on this but in general, it's possible to see different colors in a single bag because of the above reasons except for microlots - smallest of smallest definition
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Thanks for this valuable info. I have never really thought of this before, but for me what I've presumed to be the case when I buy S.O beans is that they come from a single farm or area (which I guess could include a coop as well). Guess from now on I have to change my assumptions and be open to more definitions of S.O.
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post Feb 9 2019, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(lowkl @ Feb 9 2019, 12:23 PM)
Go to Shopee.

Search for 'vacuum wine'

Cheap clones cost less than RM10. Additional stoppers cost RM 7 for 6 units.
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Is it something that's supposed to fit over the coffee container/jar? Not really sure how this should look...can you share exactly which one you would recommend from shopee?


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