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post Mar 10 2016, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(sickx @ Mar 10 2016, 09:57 AM)
apa kena mengena capaian internet dengan hypptv mahupun siaran analog?
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Hypptv tak xperlu internet ke? Orang kampung xboleh nak tengok HD broadcast since internet area kampung and pedalaman limited.
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QUOTE(kucingmainan @ Mar 10 2016, 10:01 AM)
Hypptv tak xperlu internet ke? Orang kampung xboleh nak tengok HD broadcast since internet area kampung and pedalaman limited.
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orang kampung boleh guna aerial analog kalau tak ada hypptv atau astro. masih dapat HD jugak.
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post Mar 10 2016, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(sickx @ Mar 10 2016, 10:05 AM)
orang kampung boleh guna aerial analog kalau tak ada hypptv atau astro. masih dapat HD jugak.
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Really? Got manual untuk cara pasang?
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post Mar 10 2016, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(kucingmainan @ Mar 10 2016, 10:07 AM)
Really? Got manual untuk cara pasang?
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seriously dude? tak pernah pakai aerial analog ke?


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post Mar 10 2016, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(sickx @ Mar 10 2016, 10:10 AM)
seriously dude? tak pernah pakai aerial analog ke?
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Last 15 years ada pakai kot. Pakai astro all this while.
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QUOTE(kucingmainan @ Mar 10 2016, 10:13 AM)
Last 15 years ada pakai kot. Pakai astro all this while.
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tv bilik parents aku pakai aerial analog. aku tengok bola pakai tv tu. kualiti HD, tengok rumput lagi clear compared to astro kat ruang tamu rumah aku.
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post Mar 10 2016, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(syazwan @ Mar 10 2016, 08:59 AM)
Then ask them again why no live Fa CUP early last year. Game gempak kot masa earlier rounds. kt thread ni habis org marah tv3 bodo xde live.Takde rights mana boleh siar. Ni basic.
ke takda duit ke camne plak? According to media prima takde right. Tu saja.

Analogy nike adidas tu referring to ur point "semua rancangan arena sama saja..nk show them better" while u missing d point of discussion.my points merely on the discussion on that night. Nothing to do with broadcasting right astro media prima actually.

While it is true that 3 companies consortium masuk last minit..also not a secret media prima dah lama riki pun liga M. Astro pn mula2 tamak masih nk grk sendiri dgn offer 50 mils while TM Media prima 70 mils.

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And this article published in 2014....way before mp silva masuk. Mp silva masuk very last minit. Before that zenith was d fav to win...from malay mail. Just copy paste this news and you will find it.

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Posted 1st November 2014 by Haresh Deol
Ni utk rights 2015. Untung la dpt free............
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Could it be just a simple reason they dont actually want to commit for fa cup over their own rancangan and fam only give them the rights for league in the initial stage? We are not employee of media prima, we dont know that kind of arrangement. Ever ask why for every match last year ade fam punye logo terpampang besa every single break in between?

And nk jd penyiar ko kena spend for manpower, logistic and commentator bro. Bukan stakat bayar rights je. Fam dont have that kind of capability so obviously they need to find a partner.

My only concern many ppl in the country dont understand what really happen behind the scene and the obvious propaganda. We only care nak maintain what we think is good now without properly thinking and planning for the future not just in football. Football is more than a sport. Its a powerful tool. Thats what TMJ is doing in johor. Unifying ppl and support to royalty tru football. In the end suara rakyat johor makin slow hal jual tanah and the sultan glorifying singapore. Siap bekap lagi. And its what Astro want as well. Make sure sheep stay sheep and they can remain as the wolf.

Blame FAM for what they did wrong(obviously too much) but give credits when its due. What they did for now have some weight in terms of improvement but it can fail. Fail kalau fans fail to see the obvious propaganda and only care what happen now. Not the future.

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post Mar 11 2016, 08:56 AM

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Could it be just a simple reason they dont actually want to commit for fa cup over their own rancangan and fam only give them the rights for league in the initial stage? We are not employee of media prima, we dont know that kind of arrangement. Ever ask why for every match last year ade fam punye logo terpampang besa every single break in between?

And nk jd penyiar ko kena spend for manpower, logistic and commentator bro. Bukan stakat bayar rights je. Fam dont have that kind of capability so obviously they need to find a partner.

My only concern many ppl in the country dont understand what really happen behind the scene and the obvious propaganda. We only care nak maintain what we think is good now without properly thinking and planning for the future not just in football. Football is more than a sport. Its a powerful tool. Thats what TMJ is doing in johor. Unifying ppl and support to royalty tru football. In the end suara rakyat johor makin slow hal jual tanah and the sultan glorifying singapore. Siap bekap lagi. And its what Astro want as well. Make sure sheep stay sheep and they can remain as the wolf.

Blame FAM for what they did wrong(obviously too much) but give credits when its due. What they did for now have some weight in terms of improvement but it can fail. Fail kalau fans fail to see the obvious propaganda and only care what happen now. Not the future.
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fine it's not ok to waste money to british land and bayar gaji player kat sana...then suddenly it's not ok waste money here coz exclusivity right that astro wants.. which is which

1. media prima dah confirmed last year. tak siarkan earlier rounds of FA CUP last year sbb takde broadcasting right. Fact. and broadcasting right is NEVER free. sapa ckp free tu?
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2. penyiar nak spend manpower logistic etc tu la namanya investment. Broadcasters ni semua berebut rights bukan buat CSR bro. Benda ni dorang buat juta2...and THIS SHOULD NEVER BE FOOTBALL'S community problems!... tu masalah dorang. dorang yg nak buat duit. myeg, wonda cofee bkn bayar astro macam dato vida bayar media prima letak muka dia laugh.gif siap ada sideshows lagi..myeg extra time, wonda football countdown, wonda goal. Jap2...last2 duit ni bkn pergi ke footballer british ke? So u dont want this to happen to us as well? hmm.gif hmm.gif

3. I only care abt football. Not propaganda bs. FMLLP & MP Silva promised 70 mils per season. To date, dikatakan jumlah ini masih belum dibayar. Betul ke liga M semahal tu value dia (buat masa ni..)? macamana nak cari? cool2.gif Title Sponsor dah tahun kedua tak jumpa2 lagi!

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Astro atau tv3, not my problem. Problem is you dont deliver. That simple. Alasan masih first season surprised me a lot. According to interview with Media Prima's brand manager pun dorang tak mengaitkan masalah remeh first season syndrome tapi dorang cuba improve.

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post Mar 11 2016, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(syazwan @ Mar 11 2016, 08:56 AM)
fine it's not ok to waste money to british land and bayar gaji player kat sana...then suddenly it's not ok waste money here coz exclusivity right that astro wants.. which is which

1. media prima dah confirmed last year. tak siarkan earlier rounds of FA CUP last year sbb takde broadcasting right. Fact. and broadcasting right is NEVER free. sapa ckp free tu?
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2. penyiar nak spend manpower logistic etc tu la namanya investment. Broadcasters ni semua berebut rights bukan buat CSR bro. Benda ni dorang buat juta2...and THIS SHOULD NEVER BE FOOTBALL'S community problems!... tu masalah dorang. dorang yg nak buat duit. myeg, wonda cofee bkn bayar astro macam dato vida bayar media prima letak muka dia laugh.gif siap ada sideshows lagi..myeg extra time, wonda football countdown, wonda goal. Jap2...last2 duit ni bkn pergi ke footballer british ke? So u dont want this to happen to us as well?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

3. I only care abt football. Not propaganda bs. FMLLP & MP Silva promised 70 mils per season. To date, dikatakan jumlah ini masih belum dibayar. Betul ke liga M semahal tu value dia (buat masa ni..)? macamana nak cari?  cool2.gif  Title Sponsor dah tahun kedua tak jumpa2 lagi!

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Astro atau tv3, not my problem. Problem is you dont deliver. That simple. Alasan masih first season surprised me a lot. According to interview with Media Prima's brand manager pun dorang tak mengaitkan masalah remeh first season syndrome tapi dorang cuba improve.
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1. If you examine my word carefully i did said possibly media prima only get the league rights at the initial stage. SO NO FA CUP. And nowhere to be seen media prima said they need to pay for the rights last year. I can assume they only pay for broadcasting technical cost and some token. No article to say im wrong. Deal doesnt means its a money deal. If they did pay im sure its just a small complimentary amount due to no proper bidding process. Thats why even rtm can broadcast and this year they cannot.

2. U are assuming no improvement by media prima over astro. My stand is they improve with sure two matches per week including mid week matches and online platform. If thats not improvement for u i rest my case. Tv quality?like other forummer said, switch to analog or hypptv. U get quality. Low quality on astro platform is astro problem. Increase in viewership due to free platform and additional online platform is a fact as well. The only things regressing is additional post match programs which im sure they will improve with time and additional technology with dtv later like extra channel and vod. Go visit mytv official site and read the service offered. Plus u can buy micro usb dtv receiver and plug to your tab or phone and watch without sacrificing data on the go. That is super HUGE improvement. Next year dtv will cover 86% of malaysia.
So for me. Media prima is on track and delivering.
Astro chose not to bid match packages and eliminate MSL from their books. So they are the one regressing.

3. That ex marketing or whatever keep spouting opinions. U can quote ur own opinion and treat it like a fact but other ppl might not see that way. My opinion is also an opinion. U can choose whether u want to go with it or not. So sorry i dont buy that.

3. U can choose not to care to the propaganda. For that im thankful to FAM they chose not to listen to astro bullshit and gullible fans pressure. Probably some of them have good brains after all. Again astro chose not to bid.

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Astro rasanya byk cut cost. Contohnya biasa kalau ada live, diorg akan mintak caterer utk provided makan tghari petang dgn mlm. Utk live di kota bharu, aku dpt projek ni. Dr 3kali sehari, cut jadi tghari petang je, skrg dh cut terus. Bila tanya incharge diorg ckp mmg byk cut cost. So maybe antara sbb utama diorg x push sgt utk msl utk dua thn ni. Rugi padahal diorg dh ada channel khas utk sukan.kalau dulu trnanti gak nk tgk sukan 7.30, skrg channel arena dh bosan. X fhm betul aku. Org makin improved kita semua benda makin bangang. Oh malaysiaku...
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QUOTE(gry @ Mar 11 2016, 02:29 PM)
Astro rasanya byk cut cost. Contohnya biasa kalau ada live, diorg akan mintak caterer utk provided makan tghari petang dgn mlm. Utk live di kota bharu, aku dpt projek ni. Dr 3kali sehari, cut jadi tghari petang je, skrg dh cut terus. Bila tanya incharge diorg ckp mmg byk cut cost. So maybe antara sbb utama diorg x push sgt utk msl utk dua thn ni. Rugi padahal diorg dh ada channel khas utk sukan.kalau dulu trnanti gak nk tgk sukan 7.30, skrg channel arena dh bosan. X fhm betul aku. Org makin improved kita semua benda makin bangang. Oh malaysiaku...
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Astro mmg tgh problem maintaining subscribers sbb unifi mostly and ppl skang watch more things online. I just hope they realize that monopoly is not an option anymore zaman skarang ni and not everything can go your way. When they realize that probably bt diorg sedar cake meant to be shared. Bukan makan sorg2.

Macamane x cut cost kalau smpai spend 1 billion per year utk epl. Mcm haram.

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QUOTE(syazwan @ Mar 9 2016, 11:03 PM)
Few pointers yg aku igt to avoid misunderstanding on ASTROK and kisah biiterness.

Thn ni masalah mcm zmn TM berlaku lg

1.Zack rahim ckp dlu MBI bg 6 juta kt selangor fa..tp TM bg 350k dpt patch kat dada. Wajib. Thn ni (aku x igt figure) something like 40% iklan team and 60% iklan liga.  Secara x langsung lagi baik sponsor liga? laugh.gif sbb tu tahun ni adboards tepi padang pun masih kosong

2. No engagement between clubs and fans. Team x gunakan player sbg pekerja dia. Panelis jdt tu kata..jdt akan perah player sbg staff..tak kira la gi melawat oeg sakit ke..apa ke. Byk team xde sosial media. Content tak update and so on.

3. Masih mentaliti marketing "teamkuat = nti fans ada lah".

4. Portion fam dpt 40% and 60% kepada team. Sponsor kena tipu. Dia invest 10 juta maksudnya dia berhak nama dia bernilai 10 juta terpampang kt adboard..tv and so on. Tapi since pembahagian 40% duit kepada FAM utk ref, coach and bla bla bla...maksudnya nilai 40% tu tak dpt terpampang kt liga.....hanya nilai 6 juta je dpt lg 4mils nilai tu ada kt wisma FAM. Point ni yg tmj marah dulu

5. Dato vida patot x berhak bg pendapat. She shud act as sponsors..jgn ulas pasal team. Byk media misquoted her

6. Team x jaga sponsor. Di jdt..sponsors akan diberi hadiah jersey with their fav no, vip box (utk sponsors pny family ke client ke dia pny pasal)..ni mmg power.

7.  small pool yg willing to sponsor liga m. Berbanding liga luar...liga M takleh disponsor oleh rokok and beer.

8. FMLLP ni patutnya consist of teams. Dorg stakeholder. Dorg decision maker. Fam and fmllp ni just executor je. Bila liga ni "dimiliki" oleh team baru lah lagi byk sponsors willing to in and teams akan terpaksa bekerja sbg professional.
It is not a secret byk gila company besar dlm malaysia yg x bminat nk sponsor team sbb masalah2 yg semua org dh muak.
Maybank, cimb, petronas and so on? Mana top 10 companies kt malaysia ek. Kt jepun ...supermarket and tadika pon sponsor team

Ni antara aku igt lah...
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masa Kafe Sukan... sempat lagi hentam FAM mengenai pemberian Share 40% kepada FAM
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Kelakar siot senarai call up utk national team..

Izham tarmizi ahead farizal?
Wan zack haikal ada? Mainan hancur giler mamat ni stkt ni.

Haha ni la masalah kalau duk main cite sama je coach local. Anak emas tetap layak walaupun form kelaut.

Senarai menunggu fakri gurusamy.. Hahahaha
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QUOTE(iconia17 @ Mar 11 2016, 02:14 PM)
1. If you examine my word carefully i did said possibly media prima only get the league rights at the initial stage. SO NO FA CUP. And nowhere to be seen media prima said they need to pay for the rights last year. I can assume they only pay for broadcasting technical cost and some token. No article to say im wrong. Deal doesnt means its a money deal. If they did pay im sure its just a small complimentary amount due to no proper bidding process. Thats why even rtm can broadcast and this year they cannot.

2. U are assuming no improvement by media prima over astro. My stand is they improve with sure two matches per week including mid week matches and online platform. If thats not improvement for u i rest my case. Tv quality?like other forummer said, switch to analog or hypptv. U get quality. Low quality on astro platform is astro problem. Increase in viewership due to free platform and additional online platform is a fact as well. The only things regressing is additional post match programs which im sure they will improve with time and additional technology with dtv later like extra channel and vod. Go visit mytv official site and read the service offered. Plus u can buy micro usb dtv receiver and plug to your tab or phone and watch without sacrificing data on the go. That is super HUGE improvement. Next year dtv will cover 86% of malaysia.
So for me. Media prima is on track and delivering.
Astro chose not to bid match packages and eliminate MSL from their books. So they are the one regressing.

3. That ex marketing or whatever keep spouting opinions. U can quote ur own opinion and treat it like a fact but other ppl might not see that way. My opinion is also an opinion. U can choose whether u want to go with it or not. So sorry i dont buy that.

3. U can choose not to care to the propaganda. For that im thankful to FAM they chose not to listen to astro bullshit and gullible fans pressure. Probably some of them have good brains after all. Again astro chose not to bid.
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1. LIGA M tak pernah free. Before this RTM memang bayar kepada FAM millions (before astro around 2010/11). quick google . Ok la..aku "assume" last year FAM bermurah hati bagi hak penyiaran free padahal season before that dapat 30 mil dari astro dan juga menerima bids MINIMUM 50 millions -75 millions utk season 2015. Kiranya Media Prima buat untung bersih la tahun lepas. Fee tak payah bayar kt FAM/ FMLLP..tapi dapat iklan in between that period..waktu puncak lak tu...hehehe masyuk

Semua pihak tahu, deal MP & Silva hanya pada musim 2016. Bukan 2015 :-)

2. Your definition of improvement more on number of games telecast/platform...for me this is subjective as i see it differently. so i got to respect ur point on this. Subjective. And aku pon tunggu jer whether dah digital nti lagi best. Benda free kot. apa masalahnya...ok ja layan

3. You just dont bother to read the point. Mamat tu raise kenapa tak dapat lg duit yg dijanjikan? Dlm liga professional, broadcasting compensation dibayar SEBELUM mana2 bola disepak di atas padang utk season tu. Duit ganjaran (based on merits) hanyalah diberi hujung season.
EDIT : I just read ...just now FAM baruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu je bayar . Mungkin kebetulan kot yawn.gif yawn.gif

4. Astro chose not to bid. True. no argument. Astro tamak.. They did bid last time and lost. They move on. Again, Astro lebih risau dgn EPL kerana portion keuntungan dia lagi tertumpu kat situ.
Astro masih bersiaran takde liga M...tapi mampukah astro survive kalau takde EPL? laugh.gif laugh.gif

Jgn lupa, tv provider kat malaysia ni berapa la sgt. Kita bkn duk UK or US...pusing2, media prima, astro, RTM. Nak pusing mana ja pun..

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Bagi aku wtf yong kuong yong ade. Nazmi bg aku deserved. Brendan gan x prove himself lg post injury. Jkt x perform lg dalam liga. Amirul hisyam deserved. Tp bg aku amirulhadi should be ahead as cm.

Hafiz kamal x deserved. X seswai main international.

Nazrin shoud get wan zack place.
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QUOTE(iconia17 @ Mar 11 2016, 04:33 PM)
Bagi aku wtf yong kuong yong ade. Nazmi bg aku deserved. Brendan gan x prove himself lg post injury. Jkt x perform lg dalam liga. Amirul hisyam deserved. Tp bg aku amirulhadi should be ahead as cm.

Hafiz kamal x deserved. X seswai main international.

Nazrin shoud get wan zack place.
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Lel amri yahyah lagi.

Player baru jdt azni or azinee taib deserves more kot. Norazlan lg.

Striker sama?

Ooo ok salah import striker. Hadinho azmaninho player dari brazil. Dah alang2 nk kena tendang qualifying tu start fresh aje la. Facepalm
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QUOTE(syazwan @ Mar 11 2016, 04:28 PM)
1. LIGA M tak pernah free. Before this RTM memang bayar kepada FAM millions (before astro around 2010/11). quick google . Ok la..aku "assume" last year FAM bermurah hati bagi hak penyiaran free padahal season before that dapat 30 mil dari astro dan juga menerima bids MINIMUM 50 millions -75 millions utk season 2015. Kiranya Media Prima buat untung bersih la tahun lepas. Fee tak payah bayar kt FAM/ FMLLP..tapi dapat iklan in between that period..waktu puncak lak tu...hehehe masyuk

Semua pihak tahu, deal MP & Silva hanya pada musim 2016. Bukan 2015 :-)

2. Your definition of improvement more on number of games telecast/platform...for me this is subjective as i see it differently. so i got to respect ur point on this. Subjective. And aku pon tunggu jer whether dah digital nti lagi best. Benda free kot. apa masalahnya...ok ja layan

3. You just dont bother to read the point. Mamat tu raise kenapa tak dapat lg duit yg dijanjikan? Dlm liga professional, broadcasting compensation dibayar SEBELUM mana2 bola disepak di atas padang utk season tu. Duit ganjaran (based on merits) hanyalah diberi hujung season.
EDIT : I just read ...just now FAM baruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu je bayar . Mungkin kebetulan kot  yawn.gif  yawn.gif

4. Astro chose not to bid. True. no argument. Astro tamak.. They did bid last time and lost. They move on. Again, Astro lebih risau  dgn EPL kerana portion keuntungan dia lagi tertumpu kat situ.
Astro masih bersiaran takde liga M...tapi mampukah astro survive kalau takde EPL?  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

Jgn lupa, tv provider kat malaysia ni berapa la sgt. Kita bkn duk UK or US...pusing2, media prima, astro, RTM. Nak pusing mana ja pun..
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Uk pn buat bnd same bro. Kat uk btsport keep fighting dgn sky utk dptkan rights utk important matches.tp keynye dua2 dpt. No more exclusivity. Pusing2 big player je mampu bid. Nk buat motd pn bbc kena bid and ade fmlpp/fam equivalent kat sana utk manage match packages to be sold.

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QUOTE(iconia17 @ Mar 11 2016, 05:06 PM)
Uk pn buat bnd same bro. Kat uk btsport keep fighting dgn sky utk dptkan rights utk important matches.tp keynye dua2 dpt. No more exclusivity. Pusing2 big player je mampu bid. Nk buat motd pn bbc kena bid and ade fmlpp/fam equivalent kat sana utk manage match packages to be sold.
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I know and understand that.

Kita ada 3 sahaja big player. Digital tv tu kemudian lah..dorang pun perlukan few years utk stabilize their holds. and no guarantee pun channel apa masuk nak tumbuh.

so 3 player,
rtm takmo sbb xnk membazir
astro kata taknak..

so.....tinggallah.............................again..tak sama kita dgn UK and US.
pusing2 mana ja pun?


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Kogi dengan Dinesh dah confirm milik pahang lepas denda 3 bulan habis

Dapat training dekat Watford FC sementara tunggu transfer window nanti

Thoughts?

Before this kutuk JDT pasal Gary, alih2 PFC pun sama jugak?



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