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 AXIA Tyre Upgrade., Recommendation needed.

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post Dec 30 2015, 05:49 PM, updated 5y ago

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Original tyre is 175/65/14.

What you guys recommended for upgrade but still maintaining the fuel efficiency.

Heard from the tyre shop sifu, 185/60/14 is very suitable.

Any opinion please?
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post Dec 30 2015, 08:23 PM

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185/60/R14 is suitable. Don't go too big tyre size. Your engine is only 1.0
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post Dec 30 2015, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Dec 30 2015, 05:49 PM)
Original tyre is 175/65/14.

What you guys recommended for upgrade but still maintaining the fuel efficiency.

Heard from the tyre shop sifu, 185/60/14 is very suitable.

Any opinion please?
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What's the tyres shodded on the Axia? You can try 165/70R14 which only adds 4mm to the overall diameter and it should boost up fuel economy. 185/60R14 is acceptable with a decrease of the diameter by 5mm. Given the same tyre make, increasing thread width increases stability but at the expense of fuel economy. Likewise the converse tends to be true, decreasing width decreases stability but improves fuel economy. Try Bridgestone Ecopia 200, Viking CT5, Falken Sincera 832i Ecorun or the Korean tyre that was used to give the Axia 21km/l.

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post Dec 31 2015, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Dec 30 2015, 10:44 PM)
What's the tyres shodded on the Axia? You can try 165/70R14 which only adds 4mm to the overall diameter and it should boost up fuel economy. 185/60R14 is acceptable with a decrease of the diameter by 5mm. Given the same tyre make, increasing thread width increases stability but at the expense of fuel economy. Likewise the converse tends to be true, decreasing width decreases stability but improves fuel economy. Try Bridgestone Ecopia 200, Viking CT5, Falken Singers 832i Ecorun or the Korean tyre that was used to give the Axia 21km/l.
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Upgrade intention is to increase the stability but still want to maintaining the fuel economy. Should not much fuel expense on 185?
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post Dec 31 2015, 02:30 PM

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not much effect on fuel
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post Dec 31 2015, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(leehernandez @ Dec 31 2015, 02:30 PM)
not much effect on fuel
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post Dec 31 2015, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Dec 31 2015, 09:05 AM)
Upgrade intention is to increase the stability but still want to maintaining the fuel economy. Should not much fuel expense on 185?
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Depends on the tyre; if original and wider substitute is same make and model, then more stable but expect to lose an amount of fuel economy. The transmission works harder then before due to the contact patch increase and added wheel weight. If differing class of tyres, then may improve esp if substituting with LRR tyres. Also some LRR may give acceptable handling considerations with reduced effect of floatiness despite being same width. Case in point was Michelin XM1 vs Goodyear NCT5. Some improvement also comes with increasing tyre pressure by 4-6PSI. You have to experiment and see. The reason I suggest 165 is that it's still within 'tolerable' handling limits of an Axia but the rim width needs to be able to take it (max 5.5" or 140mm) without exposing rim lip. Wider tyres also need to consider if max turn either side still allow wheel well to swallow tyre without brushing against the guard. The 185 looks good on 5.5" but butt fat on a 5.0" yet still ok. Guideline is ideally 20-25mm but no more than 30mm from either end of the rim edge. A 195 on a 5.0" rim can bulge if kena pothole. If very deep and depending upon tyre wall construction, even 195 on 5.5" also can bulge. Experience twice with Czech and Korean tyres.

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post Jan 7 2016, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Dec 31 2015, 06:20 PM)
Depends on the tyre; if original and wider substitute is same make and model, then more stable but expect to lose an amount of fuel economy. The transmission works harder then before due to the contact patch increase and added wheel weight. If differing class of tyres, then may improve esp if substituting with LRR tyres. Also some LRR may give acceptable handling considerations with reduced effect of floatiness despite being same width. Case in point was Michelin XM1 vs Goodyear NCT5. Some improvement also comes with increasing tyre pressure by 4-6PSI. You have to experiment and see. The reason I suggest 165 is that it's still within 'tolerable' handling limits of an Axia but the rim width needs to be able to take it (max 5.5" or 140mm) without exposing rim lip. Wider tyres also need to consider if max turn either side still allow wheel well to swallow tyre without brushing against the guard. The 185 looks good on 5.5" but butt fat on a 5.0" yet still ok. Guideline is ideally 20-25mm but no more than 30mm from either end of the rim edge. A 195 on a 5.0" rim can bulge if kena pothole. If very deep and depending upon tyre wall construction, even 195 on 5.5" also can bulge. Experience twice with Czech and Korean tyres.
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so better stick with original 165 sad.gif
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post Jan 7 2016, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Jan 7 2016, 10:14 AM)
so better stick with original 165 sad.gif
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What's the rim width? You can still go 175.

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post Jan 8 2016, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Jan 7 2016, 10:26 AM)
What's the rim width? You can still go 175.
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original rim 14" = 175mm
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post Jan 8 2016, 11:29 AM

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Latest info:-
http://www.wheel-size.com/size/perodua/axia/

Tyres range
-Diameters: 14.0'' - 16.0''
-Width (mm): 175 - 205
-Tire aspect ratio (%): 45 - 65
-Smallest tire size: 175/65R14 74Q
-Largest tire size: 205/45R16 74S

Rims range
-Diameter: 14.0'' - 16.0''
-Width (inches): 5 - 7
-Offset (mm): 37 - 45

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R u planning to upgrade your rims to 15"?

If not, use back 175/65/14 or 185/60/14
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post Jan 8 2016, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(-PuPu^ZaPruD3r- @ Jan 8 2016, 11:41 AM)
R u planning to upgrade your rims to 15"?

If not, use back 175/65/14 or 185/60/14
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no, remain original rim size.

wonder if 185 will 'eat' more petrol or not. icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Jan 8 2016, 11:46 AM)
no, remain original rim size.

wonder if 185 will 'eat' more petrol or not.  icon_question.gif
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Maybe slightly more... If use 185 is slightly more stable n slightly less comfort...
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post Jan 8 2016, 07:59 PM

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Dunno if this can guide you or not.... I "upgraded" my kancil 660 wheels from stock steel 12in rims to mira alloy 13in rims. Tyre size changed from 155/70R12 to 165/60R13.

OD is smaller, wheel weight is same. After change, FC decrease by only about 1km/l, so it can be negligible if I am not OCD.

As for my wira, changed from stock alloy 14in to super light weight 14in. Tyre size change from 185/60R14 to 185/65R14. Since the OD is bigger now, the car feels more sluggish when accelerating but FC still the same.
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post Jan 8 2016, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Jan 8 2016, 11:19 AM)
original rim 14" = 175mm
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That's rim diameter. Rim width is specified like 5.0" or 5.5" like here. 165 suitable with 5.0" but not 5'5". But 5.5" can take 185.

This post has been edited by halcyon27: Jan 8 2016, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Jan 8 2016, 11:29 AM)
Latest info:-
http://www.wheel-size.com/size/perodua/axia/

Tyres range
-Diameters: 14.0'' - 16.0''
-Width (mm): 175 - 205
-Tire aspect ratio (%): 45 - 65
-Smallest tire size: 175/65R14 74Q
-Largest tire size: 205/45R16 74S

Rims range
-Diameter: 14.0'' - 16.0''
-Width (inches): 5 - 7
-Offset (mm): 37 - 45
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Kumho eco tyres for Axia stock size are available at very reasonable price in KD's Dataran Sunway at this shop call Tyres Pro.

This post has been edited by halcyon27: Jan 15 2016, 07:57 PM
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post Apr 22 2016, 04:20 PM

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I'm planning to get 15 inch rim for axis...the seller suggest me 175/50/15 tyre size...will my fuel consumption increase?
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QUOTE(da drummer @ Apr 22 2016, 04:20 PM)
I'm planning to get 15 inch rim for axis...the seller suggest me 175/50/15 tyre size...will my fuel consumption increase?
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using 15 inch sure consume bit more fuel.but not so terrible.
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Usually upsizing 1" from stock rim size is recommended without noticeable impact on fuel consumption.

In your case, 185/60 /14 would be suitable.

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