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 Insurance Talk V3, Anything and everything about insurance

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post Mar 7 2016, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Mar 7 2016, 10:24 AM)
at some point insurance company really does their job.. i think we shouldn't flame that they 100% not protecting or totally not giving benefits to ppl..
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Fully agree on this, they really work very hard until out of excuse only approve a claim.
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post Mar 7 2016, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Mar 7 2016, 10:32 AM)
numerous of cases i saw from my relatives to friends, who admitted to hospital regardless of small case like dengue/removal of tiny stone, or big case like cancer, luckily they had medical card to pay off the bills.. cases like cancer insurance company did pay out the CI benefits..
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Well, I've seen people with medical cards that can only stay in subsidized private hospital as they only start paying for the policy. These fellow were lucky because Seremban still have a such hospital.
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post Mar 7 2016, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Mar 7 2016, 03:54 PM)
For the benefit of all our brothers and sisters here on LYN,

Please, I beg you to reveal the hospital that has such a practice.
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Private hospitals in Seremban are not much, so is you as an agent to resolve the matter and not trying to deny the claim, just because your luxurious vacation are not being paid yet.
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post Mar 7 2016, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Mar 7 2016, 06:56 PM)
Then it shouldn't be a problem for you to remember the hospital's name isn't it?

I will be more than happy to handle your claims. Just hand me your original receipts, your policy booklet, and medical reports.
If it's a legit case, I'll get it through and you'll get your claim cheque.

Agents do not decide if your claims are approved.
Whether or not our "luxurious vacations" are paid or not, it doesn't affect any claims whatsoever.
Langsung tidak kena-mengena.

It's as if you're saying
"My nose is bleeding because the ice-cream was white."

Does it make any sense?
Or are you done making a fool out of yourself?
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Well, I know that you trying to fish me, so that you can ask your company to sue me, I'm not as stupid like you think. 3 times get cheated is good enough for me to conclude insurance agent cheats to earn luxury living.
And I spend 3 days doing charity in that hospital, so i know how is telling the fact, who is cheating. But i know insurance agent like you won't tell facts as far as I know puke.gif
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post Mar 8 2016, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Mar 8 2016, 09:44 AM)
Then hand all of us here the claims which are rightly claimable but not honored. I believe many here can contribute in helping you sue whichever insurance company it is.

Thank you for your charitable efforts. The local community in Seremban is forever indebted to you.  thumbsup.gif

Well, so many here have been providing very good, factual information for all, creating a good competitive environment for those seeking help to compare.
Even God cannot help you if you don't help yourself and keep rejecting God.
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Well, I do see there's difference between that 3 agents that cheated me and agents like you that trying to cheat, obviously, you are still in the learning stage while they already in higher level. Because they never bother to cheat in forums while you are still trying.
Like you say, most are "new joiners" asking questions while agents do the general answers. So how true is insurance does help I'm sure victims will know.
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post Mar 8 2016, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Mar 8 2016, 02:57 PM)
supersound, i think you must have had very bad past experience, but shouldn't blame the whole insurance industry. just my 2c.
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Yup, you are right, blame the agent that cheated me. But is agent sell policy, not company.
So if I buy now and I got cheated, if you can cover my lost, I'll on the spot buy.
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post Mar 9 2016, 02:13 AM

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QUOTE(bettachick @ Mar 8 2016, 07:08 PM)
hello people,
I'm in mid 20s. two agents approached me with two different proposals, respectively
Agent 1:
-Death 80k(99yr)+TPD 80k(70yr)+CI 80k(99yr)+AL=990K +Investment
RM200 per month very straight forward.

Agent 2:
Suggest buy medical-investment linked, buy another life insurance standalone(traditional)
Medical linked investment=1.9k per annum
Life insurance itself=800 per annum
RM225 per month

Why buy separate? Pay life insurance rm800 for entire life, CI value increases.

Investment linked plan (from agent 1) price will be reviewed and thus increases when i get older, life insurance incorporated in it will be more expensive.
Which is reasonable? rclxub.gif
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Both of the agents I will avoid, just get medical with life insurance, investment link will make the policy devalue faster.
BTW, with current inflation rate, after few years your current policy won't be enough to protect you. Suggest that maintaining a healthy lifestyle and start donate blood 4 times a year. In case when sheet happens, GH's door will be opened for you. Cost will be cheap.
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post Mar 9 2016, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(bettachick @ Mar 9 2016, 08:41 AM)
My intention is just to get a medical card to cover my bill expenses and also life insurance just in case , I'm gone and for my fam. Not so fond of investment thingy because im good in saving.

I didn't know donate blood have this privilege? tongue.gif They got record ah?
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Yup, once your donation > 20 times, you will stay in 2nd class beds.
Investment linked is to ensure you waste more for something you don't need, usually the return will be worst than your savings account.
As said, a policy will devalue once every 6 months, so I don't see any reason to waste money on buying something that does not really protects you.
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post Mar 9 2016, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(starry @ Mar 9 2016, 11:38 AM)
My insurance agent also recommends an investment linked medical card coz she says in the long term it's cheaper than pure medical card. How does a policy devalue every 6 months?
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Trust me, for the past records, what she said are bullsh*t. Medical fees are increasing once every 6 months in private hospitals, or they increasing it once a year. Average is about 5-15%, not to mention medical policies has no cash value, that's why every few years, insurance companies sure comes out with new policies and you need to "upgrade" it.
That's why spend more time in those old school coffee shops you will listen to their horror stories on how they got cheated by insurance agents.
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post Mar 9 2016, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(bettachick @ Mar 9 2016, 01:59 PM)
Thanks for the info +1 thumbsup.gif
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Certain things we can follow trend, like buying electronic gadgets, but if trend of getting cheated, is better don't follow the trend.
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post Mar 9 2016, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 9 2016, 03:59 PM)
Insurance never cheat, the policy already stated the scope of its coverage and condition.

If incident happens outside of coverage, then insurance won't pay the compensation or reimbursement.
If the incident happens within the coverage, then insurance will always honour their obligation according to the policy.

Fundamentally, insurance never cheat. If not it won't be a multi-billions businesses already and keep on growing.
In fact, insurance doesn't need to cheat or deny legitimate claim to stay in business.

If claim rise, they just raise the premium to cover the claims.
Insurance basic is very simply, pool in money, and pay to those unfortunate one.
Claim money come from policy owner premium.

So it is wrong to say "insurance cheat", it never.
While if agent or policy owner explain wrongly or misinterpret, the policy owner feel "cheated" then it is another scope to look at.
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From the beginning I never said insurance cheat, but the agents do cheat mega_shok.gif
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post Mar 17 2016, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(avms01 @ Mar 17 2016, 02:36 PM)
Noted. No worries, you have not mislead me in relation to Bank Negara.
Agreed with you that Insurance companies don't cheat as it's all in the contracts, it's just that we don't take the trouble to read the contract fine prints and young agent are not trained into details of the contracts but more on selling the products.
That's my little concerns and thats why I like to find out more before signing up.
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At any 1 time an insurance company won't cheat, but almost all insurance agents will cheat.
http://news.sinchew.com.my/node/470379?tid=1
Another typical case of the buyer get cheated by the agent, or maybe using a softer statement, that insurance agent forgot to mention same sickness cannot claim twice with intention to secure a business rclxs0.gif
Like cancer, most of the time it can strike twice with second attack will be at higher stage or worst case strike at final stage.
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post Mar 17 2016, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 17 2016, 09:17 PM)
"Another typical case of the buyer get cheated by the agent, or maybe using a softer statement, that insurance agent forgot to mention same sickness cannot claim twice with intention to secure a business rclxs0.gif "

Kindly support this statement with evidence such as recorded audio or any other type of evidence of that agent doing so, otherwise, again you're making a baseless allegation with no support to whatever you said.
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Well, if an insurance agent will support my statement, I'm sure there won't be any insurance buyer get cheated in this world.
Why not you provide proof that the agent do tell them they can't claim twice for same sickness?
That father is a middle income earner and if that agent tells the truth went selling the product, he sure won't send his son to private hospital, instead, will send his son to government hospital.
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post Mar 21 2016, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(ngparksern @ Mar 20 2016, 06:10 PM)
Hi, i have a question on the investment link Insurance from AIA.

Previously in 2012, my father has bough me an investment link insurance and have been paying until today.

But last year the agent approach me again to propose to me another policy also investment link for better coverage and so on. after i take a look on the policy i agree to sign up for it.

So now i have 2 investment link policy in  AIA. but question is that i want only one investment link with 2 coverage combine so i no need to pay so much premium as i dont think so the investment link is so important that i need two. the Agent said it can be done but it needs one year to combine since the new policy can be void if within a year it is best interest for me  to pay for 2 policy for first year.

Recently i was thinking it is really waste of money to keep on paying 2 policy with 2 investment link and i am angry why the agent did not propose to me an upgrade policy instead asking me buy a new policy and later told me that it can combined but require one year time for the best interest of me.

i felt a bit cheated and really unhappy about it. anyone can explain to me is this the way the insurance go? because until certain point of time i am thinking of cancel the 2 policies with this agent and bought a new policy entirely new. and take out the money in investment link that my father sign up in 2012. is that doable? need some serious advice coz i am been  paying 2 policies currently and for god know why i should wait for one year.
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First of all, congrats on getting cheated, obviously that agent cheated you to get commission, that's the goal he/she wanted.
And after few years, there will be another "package" that will be "better" than previous, this is for you to keep on "upgrading" and what ever previous "package" you bought, it will be worthless.
Report to BNM or FMB that this agent has cheat you for something you don't need.
Also, if you are young, can consider just cancel everything and don't buy any insurance, since it is a burden. Don't just because of want to get some tax reduction and you lose out more especially when you need to claim, you will be denied.
If you worry of sickness, government hospital will be always there for you.
Any agent that working in insurance company will behave the same : cheat and mislead to secure a business. If you unhappy with insurance A, any agents that lurking in Lowyat forum other than insurance A will "give" their helping hand to help you. Then you will feel thankful and buy their policy. When sheet happens, they will just missing and another company will do the same. I would say this is their SOP.
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post Mar 23 2016, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(baymax7 @ Mar 22 2016, 08:29 PM)
Dear Insurance guru,

Below is part of extract of projected investment return:

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Illustration of Expected Benefits under net projected investment return of Y%(8.50%) and X%(2.50) assumption

Insurance charges (at age 70)
Basic plan RM1290.96  Rider RM5867.75 (Total = RM7158.71)

Net cash value (at age 70)
Y% RM36,706    X% RM2,334

Yearly premium: RM3120
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Taking the more optimistic return (Y%), it seems like the cash value can only afford to pay for my insurance charges for the next 5 years (36706/7158 ) by the time I reach 70 years old.

My question is:

What will happen when my cash value is no longer enough to pay for my insurance charges at old age? Will my yearly premium double up to RM6000? This is because, I believe my yearly premium of RM3120 will not be enough to cover for the high insurance charges at old age.

Hope to hear your advice on this.

Thanks.
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Optimistic value for insurance company's dividend payout usually at 0.5-1% or projected /10, which ever lower.
Also insurance(especially medical) will self depreciate minimum 10% every year or follow medical treatment cost's annual increment, which ever higher.
Why they use 70 years old and not 50 or 60? Because they know this fact very well and not all of us can live until 70.
So instead of wasting money on insurance, save the money your self and without any interest also you will be getting rm93000.
Trust me, when you have cancer on old days, is better you die faster rather than keep on waste money to cure it as you will suffer. Even if you get cured for the first time, it will come back and you can't claim twice for the same sickness. When it strikes back, the magnitude are higher and need more cost by that time which you have to pay your self.
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post Mar 23 2016, 12:09 PM

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http://www.star2.com/health/wellness/2016/...e-its-too-late/
A young girl that gets cancer at the age of 17 and gets the same cancer 8 years later.
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post Mar 23 2016, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(baymax7 @ Mar 23 2016, 10:06 PM)
Thanks for your explanation on this, Keith.

I always thought that investment cash value can last until end of policy. The software/tool used to calculate premium will be smart enough to calculate this. I guess I'm wrong.  cry.gif

How can this be avoided? Because by the time I reach 70 years old I don't think I'll have income to pay the extra amount. Moreover, we are taking the higher projected return.

Thanks.
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Before I chopped all the policies, for 10 year ILP paid, the most "cash value" that can keep the policy active is about 4 months.
So assuming that you are 20 and pay till 60(40 years), you will get covered for 16 months thumbup.gif
Investment linked and savings policy usually will perform like rubbish.
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post Mar 23 2016, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(gotham11 @ Mar 23 2016, 10:47 PM)
Need some expert advise, i only had life insurance wuth 36 critical illness coverage since 1994, i am 44 yrs old now, but i had no medical insurance as my company  cover all my medical expenses. But i was diagnosed of illness with ITP where splectonmy was performed on 2011 . Understd cooling period of 5 yrs, my condition had been stable kast 5 yrs but on medication. How can i get a medical insurance potentially with high loading or high excess or deductible? Anyone can help?
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There's no cooling period on this case, you can still buy with this and associated illness being excluded. Some more your VIP organ being removed where the risk for them to approve your claim is higher. No company will offer help unless you pay extra. But then if you need to pay extra and not really being protected, why not keep the money your self?
Bottom line is, prepare to waste more time in general hospital.
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post Mar 24 2016, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(watabakiu @ Mar 23 2016, 11:24 PM)
This question pertain to Fire Insurance.

In determining the coverage, should it be based on the house market value,
or the cost of replacing damaged building?
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Sure based on market value, You can insure higher but when doing claim, which ever lower applies. Also many factors will affect this and if you renovate without approval, the claim will be rejected.
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post Mar 24 2016, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(watabakiu @ Mar 24 2016, 03:57 PM)
It is for my own use, not for investment.
Mind to elaborate?
You mean is I insure my house for RM200k, and the damage is for 300k, then i get paid 200k/300k only?
I thought it'd be maxed out to the amount I insure, no?
So best if put the valuation based on market value? i.e. not based on the amount to repalce the damaged parts of the buidling?
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The "market value" is determined by them, not by market price, so if say your property market value is rm200k if the market price determined is rm150k, you still can't get rm200k.

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