http://www.nst.com.my/news/2015/12/116922/...laims-historian

Hang Tuah 'did not exist', claims historian
By ARMAN AHMAD - 12 December 2015

KUALA LUMPUR: Hang Tuah did not exist, and the claims that were made by some people who said they are his descendants are fables, asserts a damning report published in Berita Harian yesterday.

The article, which quotes Universiti Malaya's Prof Dr Ahmat Adam, said Hang Tuah was a fictional character that existed in the classic texts of Sejarah Melayu and Hikayat Hang Tuah only, therefore claims of a finding of a grave and artifact related to him need more in-depth research.

The grave that is said to belong to Hang Tuah was good for tourism, but it was not the real resting place of the legendary warrior, said Ahmat in the report.

Berita Harian quoted Ahmat as saying this at a history seminar organised by Universiti Malaya's history department entitled 'Wujudkah Hang Tuah?'.

In fact, the name 'Hang Tuah' did not exist in 15th and 16th century and was detected for the first time in Hikayat Acheh, which was written in the 17th century.

"Those who are historians must remember, Sejarah Melayu is fiction which can be termed literary history text but not historical text.

"The character of Hang Tuah was already mentioned in Hikayat Hang Tuah which was written before Sejarah Melayu, so it was a character that was borrowed into the copy," said Ahmat in the Berita Harian report.

Ahmat said Malay authors of the era did not use real names for characters except for those of the Raja.

What existed was the word Laksamana which means a follower of the Raja which is loyal, and this did not refer specifically to Hang Tuah.

"The word Laksamana refers to the title which is used by the Raja's follower that is loyal, while Hang Tuah is really Tuha which mean 'tua' or leader of leader.

It was stated as Tuah because researchers had failed to read Jawi correctly.

"The word 'Hang' on the other hand, is an ancient Malay word which means skilled craftsman.

Laksamana Hang Tuah is a title and does not refer to a person that we today know as Hang Tuah," he said.

In the Berita Harian report, Ahmat said the zeal of some researchers to prove the existence of Hang Tuah needed to be tempered by more research.

The veracity of that source also needed to be verified.

Ahmat added that history needed to be based on objective truths and be impartial.

"I don't see that the claim of Hang Tuah's non-existence will upset the Malays because this is an academic opinion," he said.

If there are those who are upset, then they are ignorant, he added.

Last month, Universiti Putra Malaysia researchers created a stir when they claimed they found documents and an artifact related to Hang Tuah in the Okinawa prefecture of Japan.

Knpe bukan bijan?

2.6 billion also don't exist ok.

i dont see any solid proof hang tuah exist....all just a story to make Malacca look good and malaysia full of history crap.

Lol. Bolehland historian.... or race image consultant..... syiok syiok ade... syiok syiok takde....

I don't see any solid proof on what you said is true also.

Takkan hang tuah hilang di dunia..

Cannot prove Hang Tuah but claimed can prove maruah since 60,000 years ago

I wonder we study sejarah of malaysia.

Hang Tuah is actualy a Kedahan

Hence the 'hang'

Melakkans dont call hang, they call engkauuu

Another explanation is becuase he is well endowed

Hence Hung Tuah

This post has been edited by zamanjaafar: Dec 12 2015, 09:19 PM

ok. TQ for sharing.

Quite easy right just cross check with other countries record . Check with siam and other local kingdoms official records. And lastly with Ming's dynasty's court record. Ming kept very good logs of all events. And malacca was a vessel state of ming

B..b..but Hang Tuah was Leonardo da Vinci's muse

Hari tu siapa cakap Leonardo da Vinci jumpa hang tuah? Apa kes?

what tokkok u, in /k hang tuah is cainis. everything copy cainis and other is copycat. truth hurts...

it went liddis

1. hang tuah was damn real, and the epitome of warrior of melaka empire

2. hang tuah MOST probably chinese warrior + the other 4 hang hang hang

3. hang tuah was just a tale, deleted in buku sejarah malaysia

4. hang tuah is real, got documents supporting. *see see*

5. hang tuah is .........

5. Hang tuah is bugis warrior

actually sejarah melayu and hikayat hang tuah is just a story book or real history record?

how can the historian put a fable in the sejarah melayu if it is a history record?

i tot malaysian got jawi learning, how the researcher fail to read jawi? if he can not understand jawi he can still get a jawi teacher or someone to translate it? macam mana so many years baru ppl tau dia salah baca jawi?

Actually there were no Hang warriors...... but bugis warriors and indon warriors...... coming chapters

story created to make butthurt pipu feel bangala

Bugis warrior reborn and eventually became a great dear leader.

Malacca don't need Hang Tuah to look good

It was a rich empire that the Europeans like Portuguese, dutch and English killing themselves to control the rich port

Oh maybe you think that the invaders are just figment of imagination of historian to make melaka look good?

You need to check your head first as it was full of crap

Hang Tuah and gang was actually Chinese .. So now they want to erase it permanently from history.

Reborn + chosen by god, then become bestest greatest dearest leader......

did not exist? A barrel of cement awaits....

hang tuah = superman for US

itu guna nya ada dokumen lama

kalo betul ada, sure ada catitan dlm sejarah china

dorang kan bayar ufti kt cina

first he said did not exist then this Prof Dr Ahmat says HT is a legendary warrior.

Did I fail to understand what he is saying?

hang could be a chinese surname...........

tercabar pula......... topkek

hang tuah is cainis. must eliminate from history to protect maruah

hang tuah ---- Ang Tu Ah

eh at first page someone mentioned he is pahlawan bugis la

Legend says shen he was born, the sky stopped raining and a triple rainbow appered for 3 days. Flowers started blooming and crops grew. At the age of 3 months he started walkingm at 1 year old he wrote his first thesis. At age of 3 he finished 500 doctorates.
He switched interest to sports and played golf. During his first gold tournament he hit hole in one in first hit and became the best bugis player. He stopped and went and play football. He played football very well. Mohon some /k to attach some photos of him scoring goal. Saw his goal photo on /k before. Mohon attach.
He dominated sports and grew bored. Well for a year he was depressed because academic and sports was not challenging enough for him and he couldnt find new purpose of life. So he got married to the prettiest woman alive at that time. Puteri Nikreb, some sources said should be pronounced backwards. He had a wonderful life.
Eventually he got interested in politics. Again he rose up the rank very fast. Thanks to his clean governance. Legend had it that multiple attempts to bribe him failed. He is one of the cleanest leader alive. He eventually rose to highest chair and became the supreme leader of the state of Narnia.
Bersambung....

Don't forget the part where Orang Tongan help Portuguese take over melaka ok

Maruah tercabar ! Himpunan maruah hang tuah 2.0 !

Impossible !!! His name and all his gang name is Chinese .. one that cannot run away is Puteri Hang Li Po. get the HANG clan name tag.

For oldies we all know the truth behind the Hang tuah series. But for the next Gen sure it will be erase from school books and branded as myth and fiction stories.

hang tuah was actually part of the Assassin Creed...

Summoning KNN ktard conspiracy historian HangPC2

those professor at local U all study shit 1 lar. fail already, but gov hire them to work at local U. you talk english, they cannot understand 1. dumb af and starts creating nuisance. gov troops to brainwash local U students. later all local U student grad already cannot find work, gov create job for them. all under qualify 1. burden for a developing country.

Cause found out hang tuah is cina instead of malay? Then say tak wujud? KEK

who cares !!

Hang Tuah was a great and loyal warrior and was the pride of Malay history. But Hang Tuah was wss found out to be of Chinese descendant and therefore cannot be categorize as a bumiputera, but a pendatang. So he has to be deleted from the history books to protect maruah.

PLOT TWIST. Hang Tuah was found out to be actually of Yahudi and Chinese descendant. So it was another Agenda Yahudi untuk menjatuhkan maruah dan kegemilangan empayar termasyhur. So he has to be ridden off the history books.

This post has been edited by TOMEI-R: Dec 12 2015, 10:37 PM

Hang Tuah is Chinese
So butthurt protex faster cover up

Even Batu Bersurat also same story
Butthurt to the max.

See, many Malaysians also mudah keliru.

Sekejap kata Hang Tuah from China, and die die must protek say hang tuah was cainis.

Sekejap kata Hang Tuah did not exist, just a fiction, die die must protek say hang tuah must be pulled out from history text book.

Sekejap kata Hang Tuah is not hang tuah but just a glorifid old laksmana...

So which one is the real story? No one really knows, but gullible retards don't care as long as such confusion can be politicized.

But this is kopitiam what.

Yeah...hang tiah doesnt exist...

Jedi exist

Well many /k/tards are Malaysians and these funny reactions are not limited to /k/ only.

Hence "...many Malaysian mudah keliru"

Keyword has been found!! New term unlocked!!

This post has been edited by Fork: Dec 12 2015, 10:52 PM

ISIS destroyed the historical temples. They presume after they conquer the world, they are the "begining of history".

Hang Bo Do

Did you even read the article?

Hang jibai

oh sorry is Hang Jepat, Hang Lekiu tu macam mana? Wujud ke tak?

even if he really exist, whats so hard to not believe?
not like he was told in fairytale as a superhuman or something
stupid ass historian waste research budget for stuff like this

hang kalut pasaipa. nokharom najis dok songlap sequpa tu jugak

Mitos..
Mulayu bukannya hebat manapun...
Unless Hang Tusah itu Indon atau China atau Siam
K.. Bye.. Vrooommm

Han Du Er

What's the prove of existing? Nil
What's the prove of non existing? Nil

Msia can create as many colorful history as the gov wish and so DOES any other country. China got true record also will not simply share2 outsider la, ask jibby
Donate all 2.6b to china to acquire the prove boleh? LoL

If Han Du Er was a chinese han also I'm not surprise since japan was populated with hans and yayoi which rooted back to china. Which was why he can communicate with them .
And not all chinese name contain 3 wording style . Sili which converted to sri. But family first name must be carry at the front of name from generation to generation

https://heritageofjapan.wordpress.com/yayoi...e-yayoi-people/

Just call him as u all wish, indo ke, malay ke, chinese ke , japanese ke , da vinci and the gang ke...

sejarah kiter bertukar tukar .. sebab kiter ader time machine ... /k banyak guna ini time machine.

Inb4 real name is John Hangcock of Slim River

This post has been edited by VanishS: Dec 13 2015, 03:58 PM

Vessel... lol.

Maslan.

just because he is a chinese then they remove him from history<-----------------wow

Where's heckline???

And tankerbell123456???

Mohon pencerahan...

So, why was Hang Tuah in my history text book?

My time Sejarah got topic on the 5 Hang brothers. Kena cheated then.

Actually he really have the power, his kris Taming Sari said to have extraordinary power, that part alone sounds like a fictional tale

hang tuah was a body guard accompany hang li po to melaka
Hang was the title given by the mighty emperor of dynasty Ming

Najib telur also is history

kena rally liao...protek

Sejarah is a joke. Better abolish all together. Create new history not spin doctor version.

Wtf so what have we been studying all these while?

yang paling penting, hang tuah kata

"TAKKAN MELAYU HILANG DI DUNIA!!!!1111"

Hang Li Po is just probably one of many of the King's maid. Impossible a giant empire like China at that time would send a princess to Malacca to be wedded off.

Hang tuah is jesus

u do know that princess doesn't mean only the daughter of the King, she can be the niece of the King or anyone from the royal family.

still pretty unlikely. come on, what are the odds. definitely a maid.

seems legit

wudnt be surprised if he was a manifestation of a fable

Hang Li Po was send by china pimp to Melaka as ayam.
And the situation still happen till now.

These days they send pandas instead of amoi

Then batu bersurat also piece of meat chopping block that people glorify? Taming Sari Keris is use for chopping thousands of banana trees mistaken for defeating thousands of warriors? Waffak man?

We have to pay for those pandas.

so when hang tuah turned out to be a chinese...this so-called historian pusing saying that he doesn't exist...how convenient

Should send najib to China as goodwill.

Try read other country history book

but i just touching by seeing our fellow chinese friend, really interested with malay history like hang tuah and soon on.

i really appreaciate it. thanks guy


cause in reality most malay dint give a fk about hang tuah lol
just seeing it as fairy tail story

If C = did not exist
If M = mestilah exist

500 years from now this cinis will be denying this land once called Tanah Melayu, they be making stuff up and say things like origin of Malay in the word Malaysia is actually from a cinis guy named Ma Lei Yew.

maybe that word also cooked up by UMNO affiliated historian.

who knows.

so they found out their warrior a cina? lol

bodo

i feel that deep in my bones

The ketercabaranan is strok.

Alexander the Great is muslim. period

To me, nothing to do with race.

Just a matter of being taught in history books that Hang Tuah was for real.

So, now you have this historian who says he didn't exist after all.

We need Khoo Kay Kim in here.

This post has been edited by joe_mamak: Dec 13 2015, 10:16 PM

What tongkat history?

Look no offense to anyone.

The malays will be here like the rest of us as long as we treat each other right.

Don't need "UMNO" slogan to unite anyone.

They're the barbarian cancer in Malaysia.

Screw their propaganda.

Why I hate them like mad it's bcos they are the root cause of everything that's wrong with this country.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Dec 13 2015, 10:22 PM

kek. before hang tuah is chinese, hangtuah pembela melayu pengoncang dunia!

hang tuah cina = hang tuah tak wujud

The late P Ramlee is Hang Tuah. Who can dispute?

If this true, we have been cheated many years by the gomen. We should sue the Gomen teaching us all about fiction rather than the actual history.