wow wow guys, jz nothing to do and make this thread. today listen back to metallica songs then i heard The Unforgiven. Sounds so ..aww sad?lol anyway any Metallica fans there? Well and one thing, still many ppl racist and calling Kirk Hammett nigga..wthhh. U guys really think he sucks?i feel he is awesome. One of the big 4 thrash metal bands~!
Metallica

Im here jz try to promote and support abit about them since Blacktrix also has been supporting BLS ahha

Recommended Songs from Metallica
-fade to black
-enter sandman
-Welcome home (sanitarium)
-sad but true
-the unforgiven
-battery
-master of puppets
-one
-the thing that should not be
-no leaf clover

This post has been edited by blackangel: Dec 26 2006, 03:32 PM

And your point is...?

yeah Metallica rock!

I would listen Metallica from the very first album until Reload.... just no St.Anger please.

Nowadays, rather listen to Megadeth for quality mainstream heavy metal/thrash metal music.

Metallica seems to be lost in their direction nowadays. Anyway, still looking forward to their newer materials. Hopefully it wont be as crappy as St.Anger.

I like some of their song though.
-nothing else matter
- no leaf clover
-unforgiven 2



I like st anger. I found them really...nice?

if you didn't mention Master of Puppets then you aren't a metallica fan..

and now after playing megadeath's songs in Guitar Hero 1 and 2, i think they are better or at least to my taste than metallica, at least the solos dont play on the same scale as Kirk always do..

My Fav Metallica Albums

- Ride The Lightning
- Master Of Puppets
- ...And Justice For All

but i am really disappointed with St.Anger....
They could have done better if Cliff Burton was around

i only liked their s&m concert thingy. Because they had a whoopass orchestra

I'm listening to Bluegrass metallica right now

http://www.amazon.com/Fade-Bluegrass-Tribu...a/dp/B0000CC866

But actually, the more I listen to megadeth, the more I prefer them to Metallica. Not to take away anything from Metallica.....Master of Puppets, One, The Four Horsemen, Orion, Seek & Destroy........... All great in their own right.....

But to my personal taste, I'm starting to prefer Megadeth's riffs and solos over Metallica. Maybe I'm just so jaded with metallica over the years....... and maybe because i'm so pissed off with St. Anger.

memememmeeme!

i thought there's a thread about metallica in the M&M subforum?
but it's gone now :|
one of my sin is liking no leaf clover obsessively
it's so bosnian.

Ok, in that case we'll move it to a more focused Musician's debate.....

The one thing I don't agree with alot of people is their sound.... ok, Kill 'em all was pretty grimy and dirty, but the rest.... I dunno. Not a big fan of Kirk's "Californian Smile" EQ..... but I DO like their Mesa/Boogie sound..... But St. Anger just sucked all around....... and WTF was Lars banging on? Garbage Cans? But according to critics, their live sound is much much much much better.

But their Signature ESP guitars...... Kirk's guitars look all the same to me, and I already gave my views on the Truckster. Gibson should release James's signature Les Paul...... the black one with the Gold cross and racing stripes......... That is one amazing sounding guitar.

Their mesa boogie sound is what makes their sound so distinctive and makes alot of their fans to try and recreate the sound. I've to admit though, very very dissapointed with St.Anger. Metallica could have done better than that. And yes, ive to agree that the more you listen to megadeth, the more you appreciate them. Their solos are more fluid unlike kirks same E-G-E-G-E-G-E-G movements. THen again, kirk did make some good solos(fade to black, master of puppets anyone?)

i jz name sumthing that is more rare.master of puppets i guess many ppl know =D

hmm St Anger.. yeah kinda...sucky.. lol. guys is Dave mustaine still alive?i tot he moved to megadeth after being forced to leave Metallica.

Cliff Burton memang kesian la.....die 2 times....

Talking about ESP. If metallica no more using ESP, what would it be?Say change to gibson?ESP is too....pricey man. also ESP guitars have some models look kinda same with Gibson Lp/Sg always make me confuse lol cuz still new about guitar.

Dude, you DO know you can edit your posts instead of posting 3 times??

And ESP started off (like many other japanese companies) started off making knock-off or copies of bigger American guitars...... so you'll definitely see the resemblance...What makes ESP so attractive to artists is that they can come up with custom models in relatively fast manner...... that's why Alexi Laiho switched anyway.....

And yes.... Metallica has been so closely associated with ESP (Remember the One video? Man..... I miss that ESP strat!) that it's hard to imagine them with other companies.......
But then again...... even a person like Zakk Wylde who has been associated with Gibson for so long, now occasionally moonlights with even Dean and Jackson guitars..........

yeah..go ahead and bash st.anger..

you think its easy to play what you want to play in the music business ?

We're bashing them BECAUSE they made such great music in the past. Yes, it isn't easy. But when you should know crap when you smell crap..... and St. Anger was most definitely crap.......

Hype was also part of the factor and we all know that it's almost impossible to replicate Master Of Puppets...... but on the flip side, look at Trivium's The Crusade.... It sounded more like Metallica then Metallica.... at least if we're talking about St. Anger. If Trivium actually wrote all the songs, played all the instruments but let James sing all the parts..... you'd swear that it was Metallica reborn. Heck, you don't even need James... Matt Heafy is sounding more like James Hetfield anyways!!

It's not like the bag of ideas is empty..... there never WAS a bag in the first place.... but Metallica should really try harder then that. Seeing the Some Kind Of Monster Rockumentary..... you can understand that it's not easy writing material that the audience expects to preceed all their other work.... but common!!!!! Don't sell out your fans like that and later covering up and saying that "we make music for ourselves and what we want to hear"......

But not ALL Metallica is bad. There still is a F**K ton of room for improvement. I even hear rumors of Matt Heafy and Kirk Hammett teaming up..... And I admit, S&M sounded like an idea doomed to fail, but I quite enjoyed it actually.....
So here's a shot of whiskey to a better Metallica and to erase St. Anger out of our minds......

Master of puppet is great too. I'm not a big fan, its just that I enjoy some their song.

S&M - some of the song really sound great with the ochestra. Some of the songs sound better without them IMO

my childhood influence.. play their sound since form 2.. he he.. btw St. anger sux..

never know there is a thread of them.

i have been listening to their live shit live CDs nowadays.

But giving credit where credit's due, some critics have pointed out that as much as St. Anger turned out to be a flop, it did reintroduce Metallica to a new generation of fans. If not for St. Anger, a lot of folks wouldn't even know Metallica existed and the great stuff they used to make.

Personally, I just loved the covers they did in Garage inc., especially Bob Seger's "Turn The Page" & "Whiskey In The Jar".

While St.Anger is a crappy Metallica album, it certainly beats any nu-metal albums at the time. St.Anger > Chocolate Starfish.

metallica really rocks.. one of my inspirations since kindergarten.. lol...
but st.anger really spoiled their image n music lar..
theyre so called experimenting wit thrash metal really didnt work for them....
miss those awesome kirk solos....sob sob

what i miss is Cliff Burton and those cool Bass solos.......

example :For Whom The Bell Tholls , Orion etc.

I think that's why St. Anger fails.... it didn't deliver to ANY of the Metallica "standards", which is why we labeled it as "suck".

No scorching solos, no memorable riffs (How can anyone compare St. Anger's intro riff with Fade To Black??), no memorable lyrics...... no Metallica basically.

If anyone else made St. Anger...... we might STILL accept it...... but because it's FROM Metallica...... well..... you get my point already.

If I had a billion billion billion dollars, I would gather up the best of the best guitarists and musicians to re-write, or re-master the whole of St. Anger, to the potential it CAN be......

Hey..... why not THAT be our Low Yat EXCLUSIVE project?? Re-write the whole of St. Anger??!!! Imagine!!! Taking the core essence of the songs, but strip away the riffs and re-engineer it ourselves!!!!! You think we are up to the task? I know Jemi and Zeroleet are........

yeah.. i agree with u.. if u listen from metallica before then u listen to st. anger, it totally sux because of it so different and too 'nu metal', we are old n love to listen to old skool metal.. hehe.. but if the new fans who listen to metallica who listens to new metallica stuffs, they will love it from st. anger to all the old albums.. anyway, they still got their money with all the new fans.. but not from us who is listening from their old sound..

sorry for my bad inglish.. he he..

Metallica earlier works are my favourties and they are considered one of my influence in my musics...

My favourite songs of them till today are still
Seek & Destroy
Fade to Black
Master of Puppets
One
Nothing Else Matters

Anyway, I too was disappointed with St. Anger and I actually never like the tone of Lars' drum now. I prefer his older and previous setup lime in 1993. More metal and I feel that is the tone I love too..... Anyway, I am awaiting for their new album. Hopefully it will be good and I am thinking of owning too if it really nice.

the new album sux
live videos of them playing new songs have been floating around on youtube for awhile now.

Well, hopefully with a new producer and of course a new bassist (Rob Trujillo didn't have anything to do with the St. Anger recordings..... he basically came in AFTER the album was done).... hopefully we'll get back the OLD Metallica.....

If not..... I hail Trivium as our new Metallica.....

trujillo wont have anything to do with the new metallica stuff either
i think lars was the one who mentioned he is still considered as a hired gun and will never be part of metallica blah blah blah.

since they were doing St.Anger... james had been singing very the sumbang one

Sorry about the over-posting

I jz heard that almost every songs were mostlay created and written by James H. Well blacktrix i support ur idea about redoing the album lol!well i bet i cant help much but can support .Please do add some cools stuffs inside hehe.

By the way u were saying ESP strats type?hmm i guess i saw one Strat type guitar in the MV -The Unforgiven- . I was abit shocked seeing it cuz i tot they nvr use strats summore SSS?

I notice the difference between Zakk and Metallica music is the guitar playing for Zakk like more ermm..screaming ?lol shld say like more vibrato ( i watched the video lesson Zakk always emphasized on vibrato ). Whereas the Metallica style like more to normal playing and a little bit of vibrato.

This post has been edited by blackangel: Dec 8 2006, 10:27 PM

Oooooooooooooh. I just wrote a killer riff for my Version of Frantic!
Totally re-worked it and now sounds like a cross between Pride & Glory and Nickleback! I think Metallica would kill me if they heard it!!!!! I know Lars would!

But yeah.... it's country metal. will try to post it once I find my cables to record to the PC.....

well..i started of with symphony x ..so for me..they are nothing ..even with master of puppets

but hey..you got impress with metallica's past music..wtv rocks your boat mate

thats why i am bored of bashing metallica..can we bash some other things where some people might disagree .. you guys need some challenge man..



This post has been edited by guitarnoobster2: Dec 9 2006, 12:08 AM

I really love For Whom The Bell Tolls because it gave me chance to play above than fret 12 and the chance to use wah+distortion.
Thanks Cliff for the chance!

Yeeesssssss! I love S&M too!
I realized that there some parts of S&M are a little bit harder to play than their original one. I don't know for sure though...

Somehow, I have love & hate relationship with St. Anger.
I hate the fact that there's no Metallica-isque traits in that album.
But I like nu-metal and the metal pretty much nu-metal abis. Too bad only few songs are good. So its 50-50 for me.

If you take a look at Kirk's guitars...the body shape resembles Strat. Really, I'm not kidding you

Kirk got so many guitars hard to identify ler...lol i saw the SSS strat type guitar was equipped with 3 black SSS pickups.I was wondering was it from EMG hohoho

Now lets just hope They had learned their lesson from the negative feedbacks from St.Anger and do much better in their next album

hmm anticipating good one from them. The case is jz about the same with Red Hot Chili Peppers. THeir previous albums were really good. The newest one Stadium Arcadium is not what being expected. I guess every big stars will have ideas and rhythm drought when it is the time

so far, i've only listen to enter sandman, sanitarium, one, disappear, fuel, master of puppet, unforgiven 1&2 and nothing else matters...the rest haven't got chance to listen yet...

yea, st.anger was a failure...doesn't sound like them...there's news of them recording a new album from ultimate-guitar.com

yeah news that saying that they will be recording new album next month..and James looked soooo old?white hair

they are still my fav...no matter what

check out youtube for Kirk's riffs for some songs like Master of puppets...."dead" battery ......welcome home sanitarium..


yea...St. anger was abit of a disappoinment...i mean...wtf.? kirk? no solo?

Without solos and good riffs just sound like those band such as Simple Plan, nickelback and so on.

I bet good riffs and solos are already a tradition in making non- mainstream instrumental music.

This post has been edited by blackangel: Dec 12 2006, 03:57 PM

Is the S&M album still out in stores?

Yes, But need to look REALLY hard for it.

Alright. Thanks.

I found the DVD but didn't get it because I don't watch it often

cunning stunts and S&M are two DVDs that every metallical fan should have. I love cunning stunts the most, very good camera work and sound. In fact, I started listening to Metallica after watching that concert on VCD

This post has been edited by supercolossal: Dec 12 2006, 03:10 PM

hmm though im their fans but i dun really like watching the monitor hehe. i prefer on songs loud or head phone on cuz i guess thats the best way to enjoy music.if u watch them u will be thrilled more by their skills. I think they write songs also just to express their moods n feelings?

Managed to get a copy of S&M today. Enjoying now

cool dude its a great show to watch i mean concert!

I bought the CD actually, not the DVD..

My fav song...
1) Fade to Black
2) Nothing Else MAtter
3) Seek And Destroy

The DVD rocks! I didn't have one myself because it's hard to get but from what my friend told, it have some multi-angle feature which are pretty cool.

There were solos in all the songs.. but all the solos were pulled out... because they think it sounds sucks......

maybe it is true, Kirk may be right.. maybe if the solos were there.. u guys would say "omfg, st. anger totally f***ed Up

I saw the DVD in stores not long ago. It is around RM90~RM100 . Tempted to get it but ended up with CD only

This post has been edited by goliath: Dec 14 2006, 03:58 PM

well DVD are very expensive for concert like RCHP Slane Castle also aaround rm70+ audioslave around Rm80++. Hmm things are never cheap in this century

not sure about that...but if u watch the "Some Kind Of Monster" documentary u can see Kirk complaining about the lack of solos. funny actually.

and its also nice to see how higly they regard Rob during the auditions. even compared him to Cliff Burton (sumthin which actually shocked me )

he may be a good bass player....but i still think Rob's style is so..... "Un-Metallica"... the way he moves and holds the guitar and what not is just not Metallica-like

only the famous commercial songs?? and somemore plus the lembik ones?? if u havent heard all their songs from kill em all to the black album then ur REALLY REALLY missing out man... once uve heard them then ull fully understand why alot of people has been b!tching about them since the Load album.

those 5 albums were the only songs i listened to for the entire period of 1994-1996. seriously... ONLY metallica for those 2 years...nuttin else. not even the radio.

This post has been edited by mADmAN: Dec 14 2006, 11:28 PM

i've tried listening again to St.Anger...

in my opinion, personally i felt that the only listenable song on that album is 'Shoot Me Again'... and within consideration that if I don't treat it as a typical Metallica or heavy metal album (guitar works sounded a bit KoRn-ish)

This post has been edited by soulfly: Dec 15 2006, 10:17 AM

New album coming out soon( recording next month) what would u guys expect? Well i do hope metallica make it more than just what they made previously with the essence of M still there! But i guess its time for others metal band to come out d T.T .

The Call of Ktulu was voted as the rock song of the century somewhere. That is one amazing piece, and works so well with the orchestra in S&M.

and gotta remember.... part of it was written by Mustaine

Right, thanks for the reminder
I mean just listen to the song, and feel how the tension builds in the beginning with some errie sounding clean chords, followed by distorted riffs and everything blows over at the end with a really cool guitar solo.

download? sorry if i aren't allowed to give links but i'm sure you all know where to.

I got it longggggggg time ago...so there might be some other rippers. but then again....i think i will look for better version but heck...its already DVD ripped

lolz...its a good idea by metalfreak haha. things wouldnt be hard to find if there is available online. the hard thing is, get a signature from metallica old trio on ur DVD!!!

any album before st.anger rawksss..

metallica songs that i learnt

one - full song
fade to black - full song
master of puppets - full song
nothing else matters - full song
unforgiven - intro n rhytm
unforgiven2 - intro n rhytm
enter sandman - intro n rhytm
fuel - intro n rhytm
mama said - intro only.. hehe
call of ktulu - intro only too hehehe..

my frens cousin is kinda weird. my fren told me that guy hardly learn any songs. he just practise through the frets up n down everytime. he said he will only learn the song if he can play it perfectly.

Learning from songs is a good way to improve and expand your repertoire, allows you to improvise and innovate from other players' ideas and style.

anyone got idea what pickups are on the Strats copy in The Unforgiven MV ? its black SSS

most probably all EMG SA.

well they still sound like a fender ! and the output is like emg humbuckers output if im not mistaken.

see, another one who thinks cos it says EMG's its all metal and will sound the same.
for your info, SRV's hamilton guitar was equipped with EMG SA's, he uses that live on certain songs.
mark knophler, david gilmour etc have all used EMG SA's in their guitars.

ermm...thats not what i mean...i mean even though its a copy strat with EMG pickups still sound like fender. the output thing, i say high cuz i think can compare with humbucker from EMG. i read thru sum in emg website i know Dav Gil uses them too.

today saw a video in youtube, Kirk hammett teaching riffs and intros for some songs. Omg Master of Puppets intro is totally different from what the tabs in UG website, even the highest hit one. Lol. His V shape guitar sound so..hmm like punch u deep in the ear. too bad my guitar is SSS config if not gonna get his pickup builds

one thing about kirk hammet n dave mustaine...i feel daave is better than kirk. his left hand abit cacat the bisep there..but luckily not cacat thru the direction when he plays around the fret..meaning he cant do speed kill.no energy downwards..but i have to say luckily kirk joined n dave left. what kirk plays really influence ur memory so deep n so much....simple selection

This post has been edited by blackangel: Dec 24 2006, 12:41 AM

I used to have a friend oso think that way
he said why u play a song and u dun understand what it really plays there

haha to me, i dun set a rule too much for myself.. I try to make sure I am comfortable with it and at the same time I balance my musics theory and oso my practical.. So I learn both at the same time.. and sometimes I still go learn some songs and as time goes thru.. u will know what u r really playing....or what I do is I always seek for my mentor.. to ask what is it.. but at the same time I really find out all those theory stuffs .. so at times I guess myself.. and I verify it from my mentor and then he explains to me in detail

notice why u go for any lessons, Theory and Practical are both done together normally.. no use for u to know any theory and understand what ppl plays but can't even play..

and sometimes maybe u dun learn songs, u dun all those scales.. fingers exercises.. but then playing songs sometimes oso gain me more experience on how people apply those theories into their musics.. so I need this experience with me.. to improve my musics talents....

To me, it is always great to balance everything.. Remember, do feel comfortable in musics. Musics are meant to be enjoyed... right?

maybe u are right..if i have time ill go for lessons too haha. all this while n checking out net theory n vids. sometimes dont really understand also haha

Somehow, kirk has been given quite a lot of bashing lately due to his wah overuse in a live gig. Not really sure how good he is, because I haven't seen him improvise much, even in concerts.

hmm not sure bout it. there is always people bashing about kirk. nigga n stuffs..many.lets wait for its coming album..still dunno when they gonna relase..only know they r recording it.he didnt practise what satch practise. some skillls.

the only skills hes practicing now is getting on his knees with kneepads on and everything...
and lars just standing there with a big grin on his face...

the other new song got a lot of heavy old school punk sound.

whatever...better than st anger enuf with good riffings n soloss!

You can add The Memory and The thing that should not be...haha really love those songs...Fuel also...big fan of Metallica until now but can not hear the new one...too disappointed...but business is business...they must sing something that make their CD sold faster

but the problem is the CD didnt sell faster

u know what...metallica have been doing thrash..if there is a sudden change(here doesnt mean changing to other type but just talking the real essence of thrash metal is lost)..esp for metallica have huge amount of fans..do u think the cd will be sold fast?obviously the faithful fans feel so disappointed...

sad..i just watched metallica live at am ring today..hmm seek n destroy was not really good..the thing that shloud not be also not really good..why the hell kirk hammet solo like...hmm vol being tuned down?n i think james played better than him

I think Metallica cannot be called Metallica anymore, they should call themselves Rockalicka.

I still remember how many times Lars referring themselves as a rock n roll band instead of a metal band since the Black Album era.

Honestly, like I said before...... alot more younger bands are already picking up where Metallica left off.
Trivium already has Kirk's blessings....... Killswitch Engage also leaning towards it's trash roots.... and Slayer has just been killing it.....

I say, Metallica is dead.... and they need to be.....

BUT.... and here lies the silver lining....

Once they are officially "dead", they can be "reborn" into something else.

Stop thinking of the old Metallica. That's long gone and dead. Now, we have to accept the NEW Metallica....

That's why I turned to Megadeth nowadays, coz I'm so frustrated with Metallica's music direction.

Can't get more metal (classic) than Dave Mustaine and co.

This post has been edited by soulfly: Feb 24 2007, 10:08 PM

Sure you can..... Iron Maiden...
OH.. and the new Heaven & Hell.... Sabbath and Dio!!

instead of hoping good thing from metallica..i m going after 70's band...deep purple...n all..

the 2 new tracks from thier new album is not bad at all, and we have solo from hammett after st. anger

and no more fag rock producing thier album, rick rubin should bring them back..i hope

I'll wait for the final album before I make my verdict.
When I heard Frantic on the MTV Icon show, I thought it was amazing...... I didn't know it was the same verse and chorus repeated over and over and over again..... no wonder why they cut out the performance half-way!

It would be interesting if Metallica brought on "Guest Musicians" on their album. Can you imagine if Corey Belieu or Matt Heafy played on the album? Or heck, Zakk was friends with Hetfield..... that would be killer....
Or if they can put their difference..... imagine Mustaine on the album! EVERYONE would buy it if Mustaine was in there.... even for like, 10 seconds burst of solo!

i'm imagining kelly clarkson singing on it

Haha, I remember my friends tricked me a few months back and said Metallica released a new album. Whe they let me listen to it, I was like...

...wow, Lars Ulrich's drumming more ganas than even the pre-Black days, bloody tight double-pedal work...
...their riffs are starting to sound more Euro and faster than ever...
...Kirk Hammett's solos suddenly got 10x more brutal... he's finally using the minor scale again and his sweeps/runs are so bloody fast...

...then came the knock-out... it was actually Trivium's The Crusade...

Seriously, I got fooled by the bloody vocals... sounded so much like Hetfield... lol...

almost made you go out and buy a gibson flying v huh?

Nope, that was different. ...I don't want to talk about that, can we just drop the topic? Thanks...

Told you Trivium is the new Metallica........

i'm only listening to their old stuff.. pre black album..
those are the songs which made them who they are..

and cos of those albums...it made them who they are now

also if IIRC, of all metallica's albums...the black one influenced trivium the most.

Stadium is good for god sake.And i dont wish to debate.

so when approximately this album will be in stores?

oh ya, post balck album onwards sucks big time. I guess it's Bob Rock to blame!

Hehe who cares about what Bob Rock did to Metallica?
He sure as hell did a good job on Bon Jovi!

i wouldnt blame metallica on bob rock, rather jason newsted
look at the crap newsted has made since leaving metallica, then after that he was begging to join back metallica.
of cos both jaymz and ulrich said a big fat NO.

yea, this is all also in the 'this monster lives' book.
half the book is crap and goes on about how the stupid filmmakers talk about their previous projects and crap.
the other half talks about stuff that didnt make the movie, like that newsted whining thingie.