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post Jan 7 2016, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 7 2016, 07:39 PM)
Banking system is the least of our worries. Imagine myr becomes as bad as rupiah. Heck, even rupiah outperform us.
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If you are not worried about malaysian banking system, why do you insist on opening a bank account overseas ?
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post Jan 8 2016, 06:48 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 8 2016, 03:00 AM)
Is not the bank problem. But the value of our ringgit. Rupiah and bhat have managed to do better than us. Even if you have the best banks in the world but with a s*** currency, you are becoming poorer as sooner or later, things in your own country will increase to match the high foreign  currency exchange. All basic necessities will go up.
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You have either misunderstood the topic, or just finding excuse to sit tight with your RM tongue.gif
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post Jan 8 2016, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 8 2016, 07:43 AM)
I think you misunderstood me. I was replying to cherroy. He said there's no problem in malaysian banking system. Saying some of our banks are on par with developed countries bank. So I said what's the use of best banking system in the world if your currency loses out to indon and Thai?  In the long term, keeping money in Malaysia will make us poorer (price of stuff increases to match usd-myr exchange rates)
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cherroy has explained to you above. Hope you understand what he said. Be clear of what you want (as in the original question you asked me). You can achieve what you want with a local bank instead of flying out of the country
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post Jan 15 2016, 12:10 AM

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Many of us still live in the currency control regime circa 1998-2005. When the control was lifted a decade ago, we can transfer/carry money in and out of the country. We just need to declare and/or follow the criteria set by BNM/Customs

The US$10k limit is a limit where you do not need to declare to the Customs and free to bring in/out of the country. If you want to bring more than that, you still can, and you must declare to the authority. Of course make sure you can prove that your source of the money is legitimate and give good reason why you want to carry that large an amount of cash.

Very very few people (except those money changer to replenish their stock) will bring large amount of cash while travelling. But that doesn't mean they cannot do that



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New Currency Declaration Requirement at All Entry and Exit Points of Malaysia

In line with the global effort to combat money laundering and terrorism financing, effective 1 January 2010, travellers entering or leaving Malaysia with cash and/or negotiable bearer instruments (e.g. traveller's cheques, bearer cheques) exceeding an amount equivalent to USD10,000 must make a declaration in form Customs No. 22. The forms will be made available at counters located before the Customs Checkpoints at all entry and exit points of Malaysia.

This is a requirement under section 23 of the Anti-Money Laundering and Anti-Terrorism Financing Act 2001 (AMLATFA) and is in line with the Special Recommendation IX by the Financial Action Task Force which requires countries to have measures in place to detect the physical cross border transportation of cash and negotiable bearer instruments. Travellers could be fined up to RM1 million and/or face imprisonment not exceeding a term of one year if they fail to declare or make a false declaration.


http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=en_curr_declaration
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post Jan 19 2016, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Jan 19 2016, 03:52 PM)
USD MYR on magic express again???
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The word "magic" is a taboo in this thread, despite on many occasions the direction of RM defies fundamentals and economic theories

Soon you will be bombarded with "after-event analysis" to explain why RM defy gravity tongue.gif
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post Jan 19 2016, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 19 2016, 10:09 PM)
china impt data today ok, everyone happy.

oil and other commodities recover ok.

hopes of new china stimulus.
but all that... usually does not last very long as the data is not stellar.

plenty of weakness elsewhere, incl crude/oil.

and bijanomics is not doing anything real.
so, the rm is not going anywhere.

may be back to 4.40 by tmrw morning. tongue.gif
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MR_alien, here you go....the "after event analysis" I talked about. There are always many "explanations" to everything tongue.gif


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post Jan 20 2016, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 20 2016, 08:14 PM)
it's going higher

1.00 USD  =  4.40070 MYR
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Magic doesn't work after office hour. Don't worry, RM will appreciate tomorrow from 8-5 when the "invisible hands" are working
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post Jan 21 2016, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jan 20 2016, 10:30 PM)
19 Jan 2016 14:20 UTC - 20 Jan 2016 14:24 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.39347 low:4.35739 high:4.40569


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20 Jan 2016 01:15 UTC - 21 Jan 2016 01:29 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.37096 low:4.36805 high:4.41146

RM appreciates during malaysia office hours. Has been the case recently
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post Jan 21 2016, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 21 2016, 10:02 AM)
1mdb asset sale money coming in slowly in the day time?

hope it stays that way for the few days! biggrin.gif
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Could be. Or maybe from some other sources for "certain purpose" ?

When it ends and no more magic, RM will go beyond 4.45 tongue.gif
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post Jan 22 2016, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 22 2016, 06:57 PM)
rm gained 2% vs usd today.

oil recovered 6% since last night.

but it was this surprise SRR cut that actually boosted the rm:
so, what happens next?
i bought some usd today. tongue.gif
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Reducing SRR increase the supply of RM in the market. In this case, there will be an extra RM40b supply in the market. All else being equal, this move may lower the price of RM (in short term) according to the law of supply and demand

On the other hand, when there are extra RM in the market, it may stimulate the economy (on longer term). It has the same effect as reducing the interest rate, which should push down the value of RM in short term, but good for the economy (and hence RM) in the long term

So, the SRR move should have depreciated RM more in short term. But we witness today that the RM, once again, defied economic theories and gravity and flew up instead

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post Jan 22 2016, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 22 2016, 07:34 PM)
liquidity does not matter when fx leaves the country?!

i think u r so very capable of defying everything! thumbup.gif

this fella in ocbc should be sacked, employ u! tongue.gif

'Ringgit expected to sink further beyond RM4.50 to the dollar'
https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/327890
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You brought up the SRR as the reason of RM appreciate today. But "all else being equal", RM shouldn't perform this way today. The rise of RM were attributable to some other reasons.

I did not defy everything, you are the one who is defying economic theories tongue.gif

Why the OCBC fella should be sacked ? He is just predicting a figure which could be right or wrong. Remember most of the people here (including myself) laughed at Hong leong bank analyst when he/she predicted RM will rise back to 4.20 when RM was depreciating like falling stone to 4.45 ? He/she was actually right ! notworthy.gif
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post Jan 22 2016, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 22 2016, 09:11 PM)
yes, i am of the view today's srr cut led to improved liquidity->incr confidence->incr fx inflow->lower mgs yield, rm appr.

add oil price +7% within 24 hours has an effect too.

it is timely becos banks have been offering higher fd rates to meet their deposits/loans ratio.

more liquidity also = more credit, more spending, more gorengs, higher klci.

but this has limited if not opposite effect if they cut again when there is no liquidity issue.

clearly u disagree with above since u said what u said.
i think better this way... today bnm closing official: 4.295/4.304, say 4.30.
http://www.bnm.gov.my/?tpl=exchangerates

let's give it until 31 mar, end of 1q2016.

if rm is 4.20 or better, i quit this thread.

if rm is >4.40, you quit this thread.

if somewhere in the middle, we can hang around and talk some more. laugh.gif

deal or not? biggrin.gif

hey, time we need closure, be answerable to ourselves if we got it all wrong or all right.

and not continue to mislead others.

ok or not? tongue.gif
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Bro, we are just having some discussion. Why so serious until you want to quit thread ? tongue.gif

I am just pointing out your view contradicts the law of supply and demand. If you believe what you believe, it is perfectly alright to me. I always accomodate different views. I don't force my view unto others. I hope you can accommodate my view and give it a little thought as well

Hope everybody has the right attitude towards any discussion thread in LYN. I don't want other newbies to mistaken that we take "right and wrong" so seriously. Because in the real world, "right and wrong" is a very blurred line. Nothing is certain like in theories

Cheers bro. You still have a long night to fight in US market tonight ! Good luck !


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post Jan 22 2016, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 22 2016, 10:27 PM)
i am not so sure if my view or yr views contradict laws of supply and demand or economics.
Reducing SRR increase or decrease the supply of RM ?


QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 22 2016, 10:27 PM)
you believe in magic and hidden hands, remember? laugh.gif

ok, let's rest, wait and see. tongue.gif
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Yes, RM defied law of economics as we have seen in many occasions over the recent months. When the behaviour of RM cannot be explained by the textbook, then it must be something extraordinary happening behind the scene. For dramatic purpose, I termed it "magic" and "hidden hands". Actually everything is about the market demand and supply. We just didn't know what action taken by the "players" tongue.gif
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post Jan 22 2016, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 22 2016, 10:42 PM)
SRR cut surely incr money supply, everybody knows.

But in a tight liquidity situation, it helps credit markets (help retrenched workers, o&g cos.), incr spending, and not choke it to make things worse. foreigners confident, buy mgs/bursa, rm up. to an extent only. i already said that, u can't follow?

whatever magic u mean, i still say it is not big enough to be material, has only a small and temp effect.
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Agree the "magic" cannot last. That's why I said 1 or 2 days ago when the "magic" stops, RM will be subject to unmanipulated market force. It could go beyond 4.45.

In long term, assuming the gloomy outlook of malaysia economy and political circus continue, RM is not attractive at all

I have been slowly increasing the ratio of RM from 80:20 to lower. Hopefully I can get beyond the 50:50 before it is too late tongue.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 22 2016, 10:59 PM)
still not there yet? hurry up! biggrin.gif

i'm at where i want to be.
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My business is still operating. Too illiquid to dispose off sweat.gif
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post Jan 22 2016, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 22 2016, 10:57 PM)
if 5-6 bil can't do it, then 1mdb assets sale of 2.3 bil to china will do even less.
well, bloomberg seems to think the srr cut had an effect like i thought.
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Not bloomberg, but just an analyst's view. As usual, analysts pick and choose economic theory that fit into his "after event analysis". The very same theory could be used in the opposite position when "the need" arises in the future. We have seen too many times about these "after event analysis". Everything is explanable tongue.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 22 2016, 11:12 PM)
that is true, but i did see something to that effect as well on bloomberg tv.
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A good example of "after event analysis" was untie yellen's rate hike. For the whole 2 years, when there were news about Fed wanted to increase rates, the stock market tumbled. Those analyst brought out their economic theories to justify the cause-effect analysis. Sounds really logical and convincing.

Then when untie actually hiked rates, the stock market rallied instead. These analysts then discard their previous theories and bring out another theories to explain. Nobody talks about the previous theories anymore tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Sesshoumaru @ Jan 22 2016, 11:17 PM)
I'll just weigh in this a little on an alternative view. Now the SRR cut can be viewed as a pre-cursor to a potential rate cut moving forward (despite the statement by BNM that SRR has nothing to do with their monetary policy stance). What happens to the prices of bonds when the market expects a rate cut? And if you know the expected direction of price and you are an off-shore fund, what do you need to do in the FX market?

The market has been pretty long for some time now, so partially the drop today was driven by position cuts too, as well as oil rallies throughout the day.

Everything else, you guys got it covered pretty well.
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You just raised another possible explanation which the analysts can used thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 22 2016, 11:48 PM)
Summarise, "ride the wind" is the strategy.  biggrin.gif

Where's the analysts said oil is finite resources and oil price only has one direction ie. up?
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For oil, Don't need to see so long ago tongue.gif

Just earlier this week, oil dropped like a rock, and analysts gave all plausible explanation like over supplies and subdued demand. Over a few days, They presented to us all supporting numbers and data from USA, China, Iran etc

And yesterday on the last day of the week, oil made a big U-turn. The analysts immediately disregard the numbers and data given just days ago and come out with a fresh set of reasonings as if the numbers and data have never been mentioned by them. And everybody seems to forget what they have said just days ago tongue.gif


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post Jan 23 2016, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 23 2016, 01:47 AM)
In the short term, the market is on random walk. However, long term economic equilibrium always prevail.
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What's your view on the RM, both short (say 1-3 months) and long term (1-3 years) ?

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