Chronology of events:

1) PM received from tarvalslain87



2) My e-mail was sent for an appeal



3) There were no replies at all, aside from an automated message that says I may be responded accordingly within 48 hours.



May I at least get a reply? Because I think I do have strong grounds of appeal that my thread was anything considered as flame-baiting, when it is merely a report over real world issues that is currently happening in the world.

Would it be considered as wrong to report the truth to people? If it is, should I always check with you guys in order to find reasons on whether or not certain news should, or should not be published?

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Nov 27 2015, 07:06 PM

<Cricket chirping>

Content is one thing, intent is another.

You should know better by now that such content goes down hill easily and yet you post it knowing it's not going to turn out good.

How do you know what my intentions really are?

And whether if such intentions be good or bad, should people remain ignorant of what's going on in the world?

If you insist on deeming such topics to be "flame-baiting", may I suggest something? Should I, from now on, seek your approval, or from any mods in duty, before posting something that you guys deemed as "flame-baiting"? And before you answer, here's my point:

Just because a group of people is sensitive towards certain topics, it does not means that they should not be aware of real things happening in the world? How would you like to shield your child from the Internet simply because you think the Internet is full of "bad influences"? Will you also stop him or her watching the news from now on?

Should we ignore FACTS, for the sake of cuddling to our sensitivities?

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Nov 28 2015, 12:20 AM

Infringement: Religious/racial
Additional notes: Flamebaiting topic

Simple - why do you even need to post such content?

What good does it bring you?

The understanding that at least people are aware of what's happening?

You do know that it's an actual thing that's going on in the world right? And where exactly have you seen me trying to incite any forms of religious hatred? It was merely a publish of a single video reporting that news. How is that report of real news equals to religious hatred?

Getting people to understand why people fight over a specific location that is currently happening the world = religious hatred? WTF?

hi Admin, I don't think the intent of the thread starter is malicious. the content as I see is just presenting information.
It does not try to insult either sides. I think if the thread starter has a very bad history of flame baiting, etc.. then up to you lah, I can't say. but if not, than I think his intention is well meant. unless posting such content in the section is considered flame baiting?

thanks for reading.

This post has been edited by RottoManual: Nov 28 2015, 01:06 AM

1. This is not your first offense (refer to your own warn log before I put it in public?)

2. Kopitiam rules



You can spare your justifications, going by your track record alone is proof that you KNOW exactly what that kind of topic will result and yet you went ahead to post it.

He has a list of recorded offenses big and small, dating back to more than half a decade ago.

You obviously didn't get my question. I'm asking where "exactly in the thread" have I incited that hatred?

And yes, you can publish it to the public about my previous warn logs. I admit, those were due to my own childishness and I will not deny it.

But those has nothing to do with this one. This particular one that I'm referring to.

My past intents of previous topics should not decidedly translate into the same intent with this particular thread. I've explained myself in the e-mail as well, and you should understand.

Because if you did, That's just ad hominem.

And if you refuse to reason with the justifications, then allow me propose something else instead.

Should I, from now on, seek your permission first or any mods by creating a topic in the Main Feedback forum before I decided to post it into the Kopitiam threads? Would you have preferred that instead?

But that should not change the content of what was reported in the news, nor should it means my intent should ever be the similar. That's just ad hominem.

And haven't you read what he said? He said this specifically:

"I don't think the intent of the thread starter is malicious. the content as I see is just presenting information."

How is that not a basis that I am merely presenting news that HAS ALREADY been reported in the real world?

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Nov 28 2015, 03:15 AM

What do you not understand about the Kopitiam rules?

Simple. It did not say that I should not post non-racial and non-religious issues.

The video I posted has nothing to do with race nor religion.

Which part of how I did NOT break the rules did you not understand?

You might as well add a new rule:

"No SECULAR posts allowed"

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Nov 28 2015, 04:42 AM

Your thread (and video title)

Why Are Jews And Muslims Fighting Over Jerusalem's Temple Mount?

Yes, but they're PEOPLE who are fighting over a LOCATION.

Not RELIGION fighting over RELIGION.

Do you see how skewed your views are, to think that these cannot be normal, everyday people?

The Jews and Muslims are NORMAL people like you and I. They are NOT the religion.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Nov 28 2015, 04:44 AM

Jews and Muslims are people that hold a particular religion.

When the rule say no RELIGIOUS topic, that encompasses it.

The whole video talks about 2 groups of different religious belief contesting for a location.

Look, you wanted a reply - you get it. The reason is all there. Like what I said, you of all people should know better how a thread like this would be in the end and yet you started it.

Too bad, based on your track record I do not buy what you claim your reason of starting the thread.

Then you have refused to listen to reason. It's pointless for me to try to change your opinion (if you even have one aside from what this job is telling you to do), so here's what I'm gonna do from now on.

Will it be alright if I let you guys verify / screen my post/threads before posting it, so as to avoid similar censorship (ahem) in the future?

P.S. Jews and Muslims are still people, and just because they are in a topic, it should not be viewed as something religious. If a Jew scolds a Muslim for treating an animal badly, is that a religious issue? Not unless you assumed it is without even understanding the context that it is about the animal.

And you not trusting me of my intent has ABSOLUTELY, and OBVIOUSLY nothing to do with the content of a NEWS REPORT.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Nov 28 2015, 05:07 AM

From what I see, we (the moderating team) is considered as "refuse to listen" as long as we disagree with your POV.

Did if ever occur to you that we actually listened and disagreed? To add to that, we could always say you "refuse to listen" to the reasons provided.

Your analogy does not apply here. The topic itself is religious in nature, and so is the video as it touches sensitive matters related to religion.

Yes but it has to do with believing in your claim, which I think could be the reason why Helpdesk did not reply you. I'll leave that to the person in charge of Helpdesk to clarify that aspect.

Sure, Kopitiam is handled by
- Kampung2005, munkeyflo, lucifah, empire23

Go ahead and PM them to your heart's content.

I certainly hoped that the listening took place, and not just a "noise to be heard". So far, it was I who has provided reasons and justifications to back my point.

You? Can only cite a rule that you have followed blindly without understanding that not every argument of a Jew and Muslim is religious in nature. With this in mind, I can even say that such "sensitivities" are nothing but unfounded.


Thank you. Your "work" here is done. Because I am nothing more than a freaking obligation for you to get rid off, like a whack-a-mole machine, insignificant people who MAKE noise, who's not an actual person behind a screen.


Har? Then why was I suspended by a different mod altogether? tarvaislain87?

And not only I'm gonna PM them, I am actually going to open the topics here, in order to get everyone's opinion, whenever possible.

You'll get more of me. Until the day I am completely suspended, and banned 100%.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Nov 28 2015, 05:29 AM

Jews = Race.
Muslim = People who practice Islamic faith = Religion

Video title:

Why Are Jews And Muslims Fighting Over Jerusalem's Temple Mount?

Kopitiam's rules:

Threads or posts pertaining to racial, religious, political or sexual issues are strictly prohibited in Kopitiam, Serious Kopitiam and its subforums. Such discussions may instead be conducted at Real World Issues, and will be subject to strict moderation

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Which part did the mod got it wrong?

This post has been edited by even_steven: Nov 28 2015, 05:38 AM

The part that it actually it's a video with TWO races, not a RACIAL (as in racially incited issues) video per se.

An Indian.,Malay, and a Chinese sits down together at a mamak to eat. Is this a RACIAL situation? Obviously not. It's just three different types of races of people, sitting down together.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Nov 28 2015, 05:41 AM

The video is about a race and a religion fighting over a location. Which part of it did not involve the race/religion? It doesn't need to be racially incited. The rule clearly said any post/topic pertaining to race/religion is prohibited. Do you even understand what pertaining means?

In that case, does a topic of a Malay, Indian and a Chinese eating together in a mamak be considered as "pertaining to race", simply because it involves three races? By your definition, it appears that the idea of a topic of three races eating together will be banned, because it's "pertaining to race".

And, no, it's not about religion. It is two people of different races fighting over a location. It is mainly POLITICAL in nature, and NOT religious, if you were to watch the video accordingly.

So stop ASSUMING that it is even a religious issue in the first place, can?

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Nov 28 2015, 05:55 AM

Yes it is. When you can simply say "3 person eating together at restaurant". Why need to mention the race?

Because that's how the news was reported. It is obviously a no-brainer to include those races, but that's exactly where I'm getting at. Just because a post involves races, IT DOES NOT MEAN it is a content of a racial issue.

So why not look at it as two different groups of people are fighting over a location (and not two religions, i.e. Christianity/Judaism vs. Islam, goodness it's so not like that at all), and understand how it is political in nature, and not religious?

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Nov 28 2015, 06:02 AM

The whole story of the news is about two sides that is fighting over a location because of religious/race reasoning. Hence why the race/religion is mentioned in the title. So it is a race/religion related topic.

This post has been edited by even_steven: Nov 28 2015, 06:06 AM

It's hard not to report a story where it does not involve groups of people, especially when it comes to real world news. While it somehow relates to both races and the religious location, why must it be considered as something that it inciting racial / religious hatred? This is where I interpreted the rules, pertaining to race means pertaining to racially incited issues, and not just because there a races mentioned in the post.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Nov 28 2015, 06:17 AM

Morning

Senior Member since 2008 but still won't follow rules.

Kesian.

Morning.

Of course. Rules are made to be followed, until you notice something is wrong.

i feel how u view this liberally, but what we are using here is a forum in malaysia, with many users being malaysian and as we consciously know how united this nation is, there are many sensitive individual that might find it offensive or provoking. i believe the admins have the best interest in peace and harmony for this forum and its users. sooo, i guess we have to think for the forum and the restrictions that might be enforced on it.

Hi TS, I agreed with your arguments.

Actually this thread relates to religion but nobody ban it. Sad. https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3789206#top

So you have your reply and its unfortunate but we'll have to agree to disagree.