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 Renault Fluence - Paper Board For Soundproofing?

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zweimmk
post Nov 17 2015, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(Volkswagen2 @ Nov 17 2015, 06:02 PM)
You will likely get this in lower range or cheap Japanese cars, though you won't be seeing this in more premium continental cars. Surprising that they used paper boards rather than proper soundproofing sheets which won't cost much anyway. Might as well they don't put anything in the roof if they thought of using paper boards, but then they don't expect owners to open up the roof to have a peek.

Certainly doesn't look too good or "professional". More to a cutting-cost exercise that they have to resort to using paper board as a soundproofing medium? Don't think the difference will be too significant anyway when compared to bare (without anything in the roof).
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I hate to say it, but even the Volkswagen Passat has the same sort of cardboard on the top of its roof. It's bigger though but still very disappointing when you see it.
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post Nov 18 2015, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(Dwango @ Nov 18 2015, 08:13 AM)
Where did you see it? Is that cardboard on your own car, assuming you drive the Passat?
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I did extensive soundproofing to my car (Passat) before so I know.

I didn't exactly hold the 2 boards, but they sure look like card boards to me with the VW logos on them. I'm not surprised if that's really the case either.

What's important actually is the headliner itself, the headliner used in my car and other continentals are made of thick foam and cotton textile, so the sandwich board they use between the headliner and the metal roof can be just corrugated cardboard pieces or some sort of treated resin.

The other luxury cars like BMW (latest models) and Mercedes (W204, W212) also have like boards in their roofs just like VW. Lexus actually uses 3M thinsulate in their door panels, can also see thick sponge like foams stuffed in the B pillars as well.


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post Nov 18 2015, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(Volkswagen2 @ Nov 17 2015, 09:18 PM)
To be frank, if car manufacturers chose to use cardboards as soundproofing material, they might as well don't put anything and just leave the roof or other parts of the car empty as it is. It's rather hilarious to see cardboards used as soundproofing when the raw material of the soundproofing isn't too costly. Maybe around RM100 thereabouts.
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Actually that's not true. Comparatively speaking - stock to stock on a rainy day - comparing a typical Japanese sedan vs the Passat. Most mainstream Japanese car roof are just bare metal with a thin piece of headliner, so the roof really does sound like those zinc roof houses... very noisy. The Passat had corrugated cardbox pieces in between and a thick headliner piece so noise was also naturally a lot less so...

And when you factor in the prices - if we assume RM100 is the cost of soundproofing per car vs RM10 for cardboard pieces, the savings is rather substantial when you look at the number of cards they produce every year.
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post Nov 18 2015, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(gahpadu @ Nov 18 2015, 03:07 PM)
Does cbu passat also used same material as ckd passat?
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Same. Even the German luxury 3 continentals also doing the same things for their rides.
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post Nov 19 2015, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(Volkswagen2 @ Nov 19 2015, 02:05 PM)
In economics sense, an additional RM90 may be "a lot" for the car manufacturer, but if they cannot spend that additional RM90, then might as well not spend RM5-10 on a piece of cardboard that won't bring any noticeable difference to the roof, if any.

What is a headliner? Although the Passat (or Jetta) has cardbox pieces on the roof, it is not only the carboard isn't it, but some soundproofing material stuck on the piece of cardboard. Just like the stock soundproofing of the BMW as shown in the photos. The cardboard may act as a support for the insulation sheets in the soundproofing of the car. If just the cardboard alone, the effects will be almost negligible.

May I ask what soundproofing material have you used for the roof of your Passat in place of the stock soundproofing of the car? Is there any tangible improvement in the soundproofing after you have done it?
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It's a mainstream car, there's no reason to spend more than they should. The profit on mainstream cars are low enough as it is.

The headliner is actually the immediate ceiling where you can touch, it's actually a combination of the plastic frame, the cotton or leather cover and a thick or thin piece of foam inside that covers the metal ceiling, so the corrugated cardboard piece acts as insulation.

So what I have now is a vibration dampening mat that is pasted on bare metal roof sheet, the stock corrugated cardboard piece is placed between the dampening mat and another piece of heat and noise insulating foam layer and finally covered by the headliner. Needless to say, the noise from heavy raindrops is more drastically muted and surprisingly there is a noticeable improvement to the bass of the audio and the overall audio quality. Using a sound meter registered about 2 to 3 dBA drop in ambient noise.

 

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