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 Renault Fluence - Paper Board For Soundproofing?

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post Nov 17 2015, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(Dwango @ Nov 17 2015, 04:33 PM)
Just saw this. Apparently a Fluence owner is not happy with the rain noise on the roof of the car. And when he opened up the roof, he found that paper board is used for soundproofing the roof.

Does anyone have any idea if this is a "standard" practice in using this material for this particular model, whether the overseas model only used this paper board, or is it Renault Malaysia (or Tan Chong) that used this paper board for soundproofing?

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You will likely get this in lower range or cheap Japanese cars, though you won't be seeing this in more premium continental cars. Surprising that they used paper boards rather than proper soundproofing sheets which won't cost much anyway. Might as well they don't put anything in the roof if they thought of using paper boards, but then they don't expect owners to open up the roof to have a peek.

Certainly doesn't look too good or "professional". More to a cutting-cost exercise that they have to resort to using paper board as a soundproofing medium? Don't think the difference will be too significant anyway when compared to bare (without anything in the roof).
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post Nov 17 2015, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Nov 17 2015, 06:35 PM)
I hate to say it, but even the Volkswagen Passat has the same sort of cardboard on the top of its roof. It's bigger though but still very disappointing when you see it.
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Really? Have you seen it? Perhaps the CKD version here has skimped on some of the fine parts such as the soundproofing material.

The Volkswagen is not a really premium brand to begin with when compared to Mercedes and BMW.
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post Nov 17 2015, 09:18 PM

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To be frank, if car manufacturers chose to use cardboards as soundproofing material, they might as well don't put anything and just leave the roof or other parts of the car empty as it is. It's rather hilarious to see cardboards used as soundproofing when the raw material of the soundproofing isn't too costly. Maybe around RM100 thereabouts.
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post Nov 17 2015, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Nov 17 2015, 09:23 PM)
What if it works? I mean, yes, it rather cheap looking, but pragmatic. I haven't tried it, I haven't compared it, but what if it just simply works? What's wrong with it then?
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You are not getting the point which is comprehensible judging from your previous silly posts. Anything works. Even if you use some old clothes or newspapers, you stuck those things in the roof of the car they will work. It's only the magnitude of difference will be rather insignificant.
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post Nov 19 2015, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Nov 18 2015, 11:56 AM)
Actually that's not true. Comparatively speaking - stock to stock on a rainy day - comparing a typical Japanese sedan vs the Passat. Most mainstream Japanese car roof are just bare metal with a thin piece of headliner, so the roof really does sound like those zinc roof houses... very noisy. The Passat had corrugated cardbox pieces in between and a thick headliner piece so noise was also naturally a lot less so...

And when you factor in the prices - if we assume RM100 is the cost of soundproofing per car vs RM10 for cardboard pieces, the savings is rather substantial when you look at the number of cards they produce every year.
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In economics sense, an additional RM90 may be "a lot" for the car manufacturer, but if they cannot spend that additional RM90, then might as well not spend RM5-10 on a piece of cardboard that won't bring any noticeable difference to the roof, if any.

What is a headliner? Although the Passat (or Jetta) has cardbox pieces on the roof, it is not only the carboard isn't it, but some soundproofing material stuck on the piece of cardboard. Just like the stock soundproofing of the BMW as shown in the photos. The cardboard may act as a support for the insulation sheets in the soundproofing of the car. If just the cardboard alone, the effects will be almost negligible.

May I ask what soundproofing material have you used for the roof of your Passat in place of the stock soundproofing of the car? Is there any tangible improvement in the soundproofing after you have done it?

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