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 Renault Fluence - Paper Board For Soundproofing?

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Anubis77
post Nov 18 2015, 08:42 AM

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common. Vios and Camry uses thin plastic boards to separate the back seat and boot. But the material is good for sound proofing... like using egg trays for room sound proofing.

Also, ask your car mechanic for most cars to remove bumper.... polystyrene inserts everywhere

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post Nov 18 2015, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(Dwango @ Nov 18 2015, 08:51 AM)
Different application you are citing there. We are talking about the roof, not some separation for back seat and boot or other parts of the car. Those can be introduced to reduce vibration or something else, other than noise.
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You are mentioning that Renault using cheap materials right? well what I am saying is that all over the car, manufacturers uses cheap materials there you dont see it; especially where you dont see it. So its common to use cheap materials in car. And the other part is that like the egg tray example.... cheap material but good sound proofing.. just looks cheap and ugly. lol.


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post Nov 18 2015, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(Dwango @ Nov 18 2015, 09:01 AM)
Well. Those examples you cite, they may be cheap, but it serves the application. But not in the case of the roof of the car, when it is cheap but it actually doesn't serve the purpose, it is negligible in terms of soundproofing. Those things you pointed out, they may be necessary items not only for separation but support of the fittings in the car (not necessarily solely for soundproofing). Whereas the roof, you don't need to put anything on it as it is just fine. If you want to put something on the roof, it is better to put something that is effective than something that is not. But in this case, it is a case of cutting-cost, introducing something that will bring minor or negligible effects. Other than the showing of the car manufacturer (or distributor of Renault in Malaysia, either one), cutting-cost to this extent, choosing to use a cheap and ineffective material for soundproofing when you can spend a bit more, likely not more than RM100 to use something that is more efficient and serves the purpose.
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I guess then someone needs to do a comparison between with and without cardboard to find out. From the looks, it does look negligible. But who knows till its tested. Like those individuals selling light fibre cut out boards to attach into engine bays to dampen noise... not sure how effective are those. Material seems cheap but they sell it like RM100 and more. And if egg tray materials are good for sound proofing, may should put it into the cars.. cheap and effective... lol
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post Nov 18 2015, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(Dwango @ Nov 18 2015, 09:13 AM)
By the way, there isn't any need to find out whether there is a difference with or without cardboard, and the need to do a comparison. I can tell you right now that if it's cardboard, in a blind test you will likely not be able to tell the difference in sound when it rains. Maybe in the frequency of 10 times you will get it correct in 5 tries.
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Meaning you are the expert? And you opinion and ears needs no scientific validation? Things have to be factual right?
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post Nov 18 2015, 09:35 AM

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https://www.usc.edu/CSSF/History/2012/Projects/J1301.pdf

Some research done... with this atleast we can say you are correct la...

BTW chart to show what is 13Db

http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/loudness.html
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post Nov 18 2015, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(Dwango @ Nov 18 2015, 09:38 AM)
I'm surely wasting my time with you. Not that I am an expert and validation isn't required. You can do all the test if you want. But as I have said earlier, the things will turn out as it will be. The most you will get reduction of 1dB or maybe 2 dB via dB meter. You may measure the readings and get a measurement. The sound levels may or may not go down if the cardboard is ineffective in blocking or absorbing the sound. In other words, it may not even go down 1 dB, no difference at all. The tone of the sound of rain drops may change, but the intensity remains.

As I have reiterated, a test can be done. Even if the measurements, (objective) are proven to have some "minor" difference in sound levels, subjectively if you take the blind test you will fail the test if your ears cannot pick up the differences.

Get it?
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Right Mr Expert!

 

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