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post May 28 2016, 09:45 AM

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I also want to ask if I pass all the ACCA papers in 4 years time(CAT+ACCA)
but less/zero curriculum activities( my college doesnt have much activities)

will I loss competitive?
same question as zomode
but I think he's studying degree not CAT and ACCA.
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post Jun 1 2016, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(Asgardians @ May 31 2016, 11:07 PM)
Of course you will lose out.
Let me ask, if they ask you "what is your biggest achievement during your 4 years university life?", How you going to answer this?

You tell them how  much you studied and how well your results are? I doubt they will be impressed because there are many first/ second upper degree holders. They are looking for people who is more of an overall achiever.

Trust me. If you are still studying, please be active in different activities. (If certified by your university, then will be better!)  bruce.gif  bruce.gif  bruce.gif
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It isnt myself dont want join/refuse to so that I can focus on my academic result.
Its the accounting club itself doesnt have any activities.
Its been 2 months....the notice board still blank..since I joined the college sad.gif I doubt its a small college.
btw its a college not university dry.gif

I really want to join any activities because I know they wanna find an overall person.I need to become committee with higher post if possible.

No matter what,I am going to write an email to my lecturer to find out why tongue.gif

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post Jun 1 2016, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(Asgardians @ Jun 1 2016, 05:22 PM)
Hello, let me share some of my experience with you. I wasn't really very active during my university life. In fact, I did not even join all these clubs. But I did participated in some competitions and events like amazing race, tax competition, volunteering jobs. All these add points to your CV.

Remember, doesnt really have to be something related to your studies, things like marathon, volunteering jobs can also be cocuriculum activities too.  bruce.gif  bruce.gif
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Have a nice day
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post Mar 2 2017, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(jimmyniki @ Mar 2 2017, 05:19 PM)
Ohh uhh hmm i dont get shortlisted for the interview lah. Haha so sad but nvm need to move on. Just asking, big four always hire oversea graduate is it? Im local. I feel discriminated hahaha

Anyone want to hire me to do audit or tax, im willing to learn from A to Z 😁
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From what I know

Oversea Degree>Local ACCA>Local degree
(Oversea ACCA won't come back Malaysia la, do they?)

If you are only holding local degree, then better not looking for big4. Nowadays local ACCA is getting more and more. Why they need local degree when they can easily obtain ACCA graduate?Of course they will still hire some, but the number is quite low
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post Mar 2 2017, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(mybbxt @ Mar 2 2017, 06:04 PM)
Is twin degree consider as oversea degree?  tongue.gif laugh.gif
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Oversea degree is just a name for them
What they actually want is the people who live overseas for few years
Because the knowledge and such must be better than local

0+4 1+3 or maybe 2+2 are possible
3+1, unlikely la
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post Mar 2 2017, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(mybbxt @ Mar 2 2017, 07:07 PM)
But going to oversea is mainly because they are rich, doesn't mean they have better personality or qualification.
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Sad but true, that's how the world works
You can't deny it

If I were the manager, of course I would hire oversea graduates first. These people are special snowflakes. Rare.
Most of them will just stay at the country they study, why they need to come back?
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post May 30 2017, 07:02 PM

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Currently studying ACCA.
Lets say after my course is finished, and I want to pursue for ICAEW.

I know only few chosen companies are eligible to provide the programme.
And I wanted to enroll in Big 4's.

So my question is,
-how do i apply for this aca training? or what procedures?
-how much salary i will be paid for it? Is it considered as training(lower wages) or normal staff(market wages)

Thanks^^
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post Jun 2 2017, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(crystalfenix @ Jun 2 2017, 01:31 AM)
What is this aca training? And icaew I thought you got the money then you can enrol already. No need special companies for it?
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ACCA is one of the professional qualification, so as Icaew.
But ICAEW is harder than ACCA. (I think this is the most simplest way to describe)

According to ICAEW website, only selected companies are available to provide this training no?
http://careers.icaew.com/en/find-your-rout...ing-in-malaysia

But I know Sunway Uni also provides this course tho. So I'm not very sure, thats why Im asking here.
But now on, Im focusing on ACCA, still have a long way yet.
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post Jun 2 2017, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(Win Win Inspiration @ Jun 2 2017, 11:17 AM)
ICAEW is hard than ACCA? Wow.
I am not an accounting professionals, but from what I heard all these while is that ACCA is the hardest among all.
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No la, ACCA is not hardest. ICAEW is one of the toughest exam in the world, ACCA has nothing.
Let me give you a clear example:
Fresh grad for ACCA earns 36k pounds per annum; ICAEW is 76k pounds. (according to data)

If ACCA was harder, why would the employers pay almost half less than ICAEW's grads? Think about it.
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post Jun 2 2017, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(crystalfenix @ Jun 2 2017, 01:00 PM)
ICAEW is more prestigious than ACCA. As some reputable companies at UK only take in ICAEW grads, they dont place any importance for ACCA for some.

If you are able to finish ACCA, you just need to take the last 3 papers for ICAEW.

But actually in terms of companies in Malaysia, ACCA and ICAEW are considered professional papers and for big 4 companies, they are seen as a tool for you to enable the jump from AM to Manager.

So if youre still having a long way to go. Better to just focus at ACCA first, no point thinking so far ahead. Ive seen many people failing even for ACCA papers, still going classes at Sunway eventho they are like around 40. Feelsbadman but that is just how the cookie crumbles.

The selected companies thing is because for ICAEW you need to have working experience, and only working experience at some chosen companies are recognised by ICAEW. But if you get your ACCA I dont see you having any difficulty going in to these "chosen companies".

So it all depends on your ACCA qualifications. Good luck.
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I wish to work at other countries in future, thats why I'm planning to take ICAEW after ACCA.

So does that mean, to study ICAEW, you've got to work at the selected companies while taking courses in college or uni that provide the ICAEW course?


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post Jun 2 2017, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(Win Win Inspiration @ Jun 2 2017, 05:01 PM)
Your point makes sense and very valid. smile.gif
ICAEW is a professional certification for Accounting Professionals too?
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Technically both are professional certification, but ACCA is more like the foundation for accounting world, and ICAEW is more specialized more details.
But in Malaysia, ACCA is more than suffice to get a good job(in this case Big4s)

This website has some comparisons between ACCA and ICAEW.
http://www.wallstreetmojo.com/acca-vs-aca/
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post Jun 3 2017, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(crystalfenix @ Jun 3 2017, 04:48 PM)
Not so sure which countries are you referring to but they are countries who dont really care about professional papers. Example, Singapore, where they place more importance on their local grads and their own accounting institute. UK maybe sure ICAEW has advantage. Australia most prolly where CPA scholars have the advantage. 

If you want to really upgrade yourself, I would suggest you to take CFA, as that would really increase your marketability.

ACCA and ICAEW are somewhat considered clashing.

Why not just take ICAEW from the start, and just forego ACCA. I have frens who aare talking ICAEW and CFA concurrently.

And in ICAEW there are some papers where you cannot fail a number of times, if not you will get some kind of disqualification, want continue also cannot.I know people where they are sent straight to ICAEW and they until now do not have a professional paper nor degree, at around 25 yo dy.

You need to work with those icaew selected companies because most prolly those companies have staff/superiors there that are full fledged ICAEW grads and they are needed to sign off for your working experience at the firm, in order for you to get your full ICAEW membership.
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I was a science stream student back in high school. (8A/s out of 10 subjects)
And I went to CAT after that.
The reason I didnt pick ICAEW as starting point was solely for this reason, I didnt have any accounting basics. So ACCA was my best choice.

I'm thinking to work in Europe in future. UK is a good choice, or maybe Germany(that means I have to learn German). As a Chinese, the ability to speak Chinese and English, definitely is an extra credit for me. So I've got to use this as my advantage.

If I take ICAEW after my ACCA, I will have 12 exemptions, only last 3 papers left. It wont be so hard, compared to someone who need to start from scratch, right?

Actually I won't mind to take another CFA if I completed my ICAEW, and still able to cope with life and working, to increase my marketability. My intention is to shape myself into a 'good employee' in Malaysia, and then work at other countries.
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post Jun 4 2017, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(kejun @ Jun 4 2017, 08:05 AM)
Er... I heard that an ACCA holder with 5 years experience can directly register as ICAEW member under their MOU. (this was in the past, I not too sure it is still available or not)

In my opinion, CFA is only good for finance field, if you intend to stay at audit line forever then it is not suitable, unless you have too much money 😅
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Sounds like it, but 5 years seems a little bit long, 3 papers aint that hard right? sweat.gif

Nope, not gonna stay at audit line forever. Maybe will change to commercial line in future(after I shaped myself in Malaysia will try to apply for jobs outside Malaysia)
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post Jul 11 2017, 09:26 PM

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I'm thinking to straight study ICAEW(for the last 3 advanced papers), after my ACCA is done.

If I tell this to the recruiters during the interview session. Is it possible for me to get a sponsor from them or even getting higher chance to secure a job?

AFAIK, I've never seen anyone do this route. Which idiot straight wanna get ICAEW after completing ACCA. /s

Edit: Assuming the company is one of the Big4 in KL

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post Jul 11 2017, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(tankwek @ Jul 11 2017, 11:13 PM)
1. Education is only one tiny factor that affect your starting salary. Even if you score well in ACCA like getting 90mark for all paper, you will still get the same salary as normal ACCA graduate student. They need someone who can do work + score well , not score well + cannot do work.

4. not much info on advisory line as I'm not one of them. So far I observed is they need to do a TONS of research study.

5. If you mean get an invitation for interview, then probably yes. Your previous co-curricular activities also play important parts as well.

6. I and my friends interned in all the big4 before. Some of my friends stay and continue as big4 member while I accept offer to oversea company .
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Could this kind sir enlighten me for a few words for Post#929? smile.gif

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post Jul 12 2017, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(tankwek @ Jul 11 2017, 11:51 PM)
Not sure whether got sponsor or not. It is easy to say that you want to continue ICAEW after ACCA but once you start work as big4 member, you MIGHT give up of this matter because it is not easy to study while working full-time. Some senior associate actually take years just to pass their last 2 ACCA professional paper. Don't too focus on education, later they will ask you some technical question during your interview since you are so care about your education. If you can't answer it, then they will know that you are merely an ACCA titleholder but can't apply what you had learn.  laugh.gif
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Looks like I have to strengthen my basis unsure.gif

Just another quick question, I know co curricular activities is another important thing the employers looking for.
But being an ACCA student in a small college rather than university(but has platinum status), co curricular is not a thing here.
The number of students is small, so students treat this place as "tuition centre" rather than a college.
Yes they are clubs, but they are all just a name. Rarely has any activities, if it does, people don't usually give a damn to it. Just come over here to attend class, once class over, everyone back to home.

So I'm looking for another way, hopefully to cover this part up.
AFAIK, ACCA course doesn't have internship. So can I get an/or a few internship(s), not as an excuse for not participating in any activities, but you get what I mean. sad.gif
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post Jul 12 2017, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(tankwek @ Jul 12 2017, 12:42 AM)
Just tell the interviewer the truth. Most of the pure ACCA graduate also don't have much co-curricular activities compare to local university as well as internship opportunity ( they have FYP instead ). Just pass all your ACCA test and I believe the your application will be highlighted. However, you need to prepare well for interview as well~~  thumbup.gif
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Phew, now this really makes me feel better. I was nervous how to find something to fill up that missing content.

And the last thing, what is FYP actually? I'm currently a pure ACCA student like you said, but never heard of this term. Or damn am I start losing memory xD

I will give my best shot when that day comes nod.gif

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post Jul 12 2017, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(tankwek @ Jul 12 2017, 12:59 AM)
Final year project.
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Eh, I don't remember my ACCA course has that thing. Did you mean the project in order to get the Oxford Brooke's degree? Or is it something else?
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post Jul 12 2017, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(tankwek @ Jul 12 2017, 01:10 AM)
I'm from local University so I went for internship instead of FYP. I think is depend on the private college/university whether their course consists of FYP or not. One of my friends taking ACCA course from Sunway College mentioned that he didn't went through internship but FYP instead. hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Interesting hmmm.

I will consult my lecturer about this FYP thing.

Anyway, thanks for the all the info. And I like you random gentleman o7
Have a nice day/evening there icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jul 21 2017, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(misscrystal @ Jul 21 2017, 03:14 PM)
Audit Centralization Team = audit admin assistant mainly handling admin task only. i was told to apply for this postion when i tried to apply for audit associate  sad.gif  (they said i never meet their requirement for audit associate, maybe it was because i graduate with second lower + 4 acca p papers only)
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I'm curious why didn't you finish 1 more P papers then apply for the job, since ACCA has only 5 P papers. confused.gif
On top of that, once you finish your ACCA, it can cover up the degree result.

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