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Cello
post Jul 14 2007, 05:18 AM

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Levels? Not grade?

Which music school you study?
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post Jul 17 2007, 03:57 PM

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If you can't handle the "play by ear" class, then you're wasted.

Means, when teacher teach, you need to help yourself as well.
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post Jul 18 2007, 12:16 AM

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It is better to go for proper class, rushing isn't good (just my opinion).

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post Jul 18 2007, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 18 2007, 10:17 AM)
Haha, that's one funny quote,... how old are you btw?

Anyway, do you know that normal piano lessons are the "Classical" music path? You're learning classical music, and you're spending way too much time on learning many unnecessary or simple things, some music school will shorten those, etc.

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Funny? Okay.. wink.gif I'm 19.

I'm agree with you but..

I'm a graduated diploma in music student, I'm a music teacher after that. Based on my experience, classical music is the basic of everything. "Old is gold"

Let me say it in a simple way...

Back in the old years, classical music it's like a mainstream music. The old days where everyones appreciate every single melody and the story behind the music piece. Composers and performers doing music with full passion. And compare with today, you can think of that for yourself. (it might be offending to say that out).

Talking about practical playing, classical is very hard compare to anything else (not just how fast you play, speed it's not really a good point to show that particular musician is good).

Fur Elise, I'm sure everyone knows this music piece. It's short but when you play it, it's very hard. It stretches your fingers mad. Imagine after you can play this piece, would today's music will be simple for you to play? I would say yes for that.

"Playing chords and sing doesn't mean that you're good"

Yes, classical music will be a waste of time (for most of you who don't like it) but it's a tough challenge. Take the challenge, don't just I want to learn how to play music to get girls.


Added on July 19, 2007, 12:39 amAfter spending time reading your long post, I think I need to judge you seriously

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 18 2007, 10:17 AM)
Haha, that's one funny quote,...
Funny? How funny??? Those few words can make you laugh?

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 18 2007, 10:17 AM)
Anyway, do you know that normal piano lessons are the "Classical" music path? You're learning classical music, and you're spending way too much time on learning many unnecessary or simple things, some music school will shorten those, etc.

Simple???? vmad.gif

Go and play Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata 1st Movement. Prove it to me it's simple, I would really come to you and judge you nicely.

Some music school will shorten it? Yes, that's right and that's why nowadays mankind would like to learn simple things. The teachers are forced to.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 18 2007, 10:17 AM)
Well, my point is, there's always MANY ways to do things including learning, this is NOT rushing, that's why I say, you can take it slow, two weeks per class, heck you can adjust yourself, for easier lessons, you might only need little practice. Do you think what you're learning in school now is NOT simplified version? We're humans and we're always moving forward and advancing and simplifiying our life, make learning faster, etc... Be open and try to differentiate between "short-cut" path and simplified path... Many people can't accept these simplified or easier learning methods by simply accusing them as short-cut, etc...


The word little shows that you're not a passionate music lover in the beginning.

Yes, simplifiying our life and being lazy. Being no life and sleep all day long.

Make learning faster are equals to lazy-ness and thinks that yourself (the people) would like to rush to play music fast.

"differentiate between "short-cut" path and simplified path...", what's the difference??? Still means rushing. No difference.

Well, seriously I can't accept today's modern musician because of simplified education.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 18 2007, 10:17 AM)
Anyway, if you've been a teacher or teach before, any subject, you should know you can either teach the old traditional way, which usually takes a very long time, or you can find ways to make your student understand faster, etc.


Let me tell you, NO!

Again, fast it's not a good solution.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 18 2007, 10:17 AM)
For the "Play By Ear", there're teaching you creating music by your feeling and ear using the piano, the natural way, music is NOT paper, is your feeling and hearing... It's simply teaches you to understand what is music, how to create music, etc... You usually don't learn or understand it in conventional piano classes untill after Grade 5 mostly...

Yes, that's right I agree that music is not paper. You forgot one thing, music is expression.

That's true. In Malaysia "darjah 5" = grade 5. Go figure.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 18 2007, 10:17 AM)
Before you judge something, try to understand what it does and how it works, this course is very straightforward and easy to understand, even old people can pickup easily, the oldest student if I'm not wrong is 80+, and got one Datin completed Level 2, fyi. Kids understand and can create and play the piano really really well within 2 years of classes usually (for Kids, they have 40 classes per level due to more attention needed). It's simply the same theory and technique when you self-learn, the founder/creator of this "Play By Ear" is a self-taught musician, he created all these simplified methods (e.g. formula for calculating MAJOR chords = R+4+3) and techniques, and he can play up to 9 instruments if I'm not wrong.

That would be nice but still I don't prefer these simplified methods.

For the bolded word above, I'm totally disagree with you.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 18 2007, 10:17 AM)
By the way, there're NOT just "Play By Ear", there're so many simplified courses out there on the internet, and it's not something NEW anyway. But if you plan to learn classical, then you're adviced to follow the conventional piano classes which will take years... Classical is a slow and tough path, if you can keep up and stay it's good, but don't one day say, "this is not what I wanted"... which happens to many who don't understand before taking up the courses, which is one major reason why they drop out of piano classes.

Classical is not slow but yes if you go for proper class the teacher will teach you a little it's because teaching students shouldn't make the class long. The thing is the student MUST spend time by itself to practice.

"This is not what I wanted" it's those idiots who love to play the music instrument but didn't know that they themself have the passion or not to be in the music world. Once again, before you learn anything, love the thing first. Which means REAL LOVE

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 18 2007, 10:17 AM)
Try looking up Scott Houston "The Piano Guy", he has one book and video which teach you the simple methods of learning the piano... In the video, he also ask the question "Who wants to learn to play songs like the latest pop songs, christmas songs, etc?" and "Who wants to learn the classical music?"... obviously you know the results, and he also mentioned that many people didn't understand what the conventional piano lessons does and goes for it, and they're thrown book by book, playing "DO RE MI" for a few classes, and they can't even play the song they wanted after a long period of time... Watch the video, it's interesting and funny.. He also mentioned "Lead Sheet" (some called it fake sheet because they thought it's fake), if you don't know what it is, it's simply a song sheet without the bass clef, which many conventional piano players got confused and cannot play... In simplified methods, usually, they're using Lead Sheet mainly because they understand how music works, they can even come up with chords given the melody. For me, one drawback is I didn't learn to read notes, so I can't read notes, but even if I can, I can sight play, so this is one drawback/weakness with this course but doesn't mean one cannot learns it, just that I don't bother learning sight-playing as I don't use notes/sheet. I'm not really can't read notes, I know the "FACE" thingy, but I can't read it as fast. For notes/sheet usually I'll use to double-check for whether I got the correct chords, but you have to understand also that not all chords are fixed. I don't you don't take this as boasting, just sharing the information of what you can achieve from these courses, in fact, I'm considered not so good at it, if you compare it with the music coach, they can easily catch the chords and very fast, very impressive to even see. And don't say "because they're the teacher/music coach ma", most of them were students, many start from 0 or beginning, so some might only be few years or more exprience with the piano. Like my Level 2 music coach, which is only about 3 years in piano, but can play extremely well.

The student didn't understand because they didn't revise themself after the class.

Ohhhh...alright. Example one day a guy see you piano so well. He invited you to his big orchestra, then he gives you a sheet music which have 10 pages. Then he tells you to go back home, practice it and come back tomorrow. How??? You'll die infront of the whole orchestra. But he still wonder, why this guy can play well but can't read?

Like..
I can play music but I can't read music
Same goes to..
I can speak English but I can't read English

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 18 2007, 10:17 AM)
Lastly, altough all this *might* sound interesting and/or easy and intimidating... it's still important to understand and know that, which I've mentioned, you're required to work hard and practice as well and don't rush it... If you need more time to practice, do so,... it's important that you understand and can keep up...  Also, it does not mean no students will drop out / lost interest from these course, just less and depends on whether they know what they wanted and willing to work for it... For normal piano classes, you need to work hard as well, doesn't mean for normal it's slower then you can take it easy...
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I agree with that.

Still, NOTHING IS EASY IN THIS WORLD unless you have no life and sleep all day long.

QUOTE(hoongji @ Jul 18 2007, 10:41 AM)
it is never too late to start. however, first you have to realise what kind of music you want to play. classical or contemporary. classical is difficult to master and needs longer time. not recommended for older ppl.

if you prefer the modern music, then contemporary is the way to go. it is easier to understand and learn. also you'll be trained to play by ear and break free from the musical scores. by the time you've mastered it, you don't need a music sheet to play everytime. this is the best path to choose if you like to play out the tunes you've just heard from the radio.
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Like..
I can play music but I can't read music
Same goes to..
I can speak English but I can't read English

For bolded words above,
You think you can do it without proper education?


QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 18 2007, 06:11 PM)
As long as the person appreciates Classical, doesn't really matter of age but usually older people would like Classical. As for old, usually, conventional piano classes don't encourage old people to take up because it's hard to teach, requires patience, time, etc. and most older people drop out, or drop out as they get older.
Just trying to clear the thing about "rushing" or "short-cut" issue. Anyway, of course, we hope everyone gets to learn what they want and understand what each course provide/does, etc.

I hope your impressive don't get you over rate the course or puts too high expectation or anything, because as I mentioned, it also requires hard work and commitment... Usually they'll show you what you'll achieve after the completed the course (each level), so for me, I know I'm quite weak in Level 2 due to my 2 hand coordination problem mainly.

As for the classes, you can choose when you want to attend, how often, etc... As long as you completed the course within 1 year (each Level)... Heck, if you're really good, you can do it as fast as you can, but that's if you're already very familiar with the piano, maybe a grade 5 above from conventional piano classes... by taking up this course, it's simply opening the door / completing the puzzle of the years of piano classes...  As I mentioned, it's advice that you do enough practice and understand before you go on for the next class, else you drop behind further and further... Some classes are pretty easy and straight forward, so you might wanna do it faster (arrange for class the following week), etc.

As for the fees, it's by classes, but it's a one time full payment... I think you can arrange for part payment, but you have to discuss with them, probably it'll be a little more expensive than one time payment.

Yes, it's a 45 minutes per session, hardly theory, you just listen to the music, and play the piano usually.

Lastly, good luck and all the best for your classes if you're deciding to sign up!
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For the first bolded word above, I love classical music to death seriously and I'm 19. So, am I old???

For red coloured word above, can you compare that with kids? Kids are more stubborn and playful during class and they won't understand those music math that fast unless they are passionate.

1 year? Seriously, that's really slow.

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Anyway, for "play by ear" course. It sounds nice, I have no objection about that. But this kind of courses are recommended for those who just want to play music for fun.
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I would like to ask you back, how old are you?

Why learn piano?

How many years you have listenning to music?

How many years you enjoy listenning to music?

Do you love music? If yes, why?

This post has been edited by Cello: Jul 19 2007, 01:42 AM

 

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