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post May 24 2016, 03:18 PM

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Hi all the sifus here,

Like most of ppl on here, I have been thinking of taking the leap of faith and migrating to Oz. I will be targeting on getting the 189. Will be claiming points for mech. eng. and targeting melbourne as I have most of my family and friends there. I am close to thirty. I have a masters and been working in the UK for awhile before this. After talking to friends and family, i think i have what it takes to grind it out at the start..I am not too worried about getting the 189, I am thinking a bit further..some of my questions ...

1) is the 189 a visa or a PR ?

2) how long do ppl with similar circumstances to myself need to take before getting a proper job ? In my case mech. eng. I have read horror stories of ppl that were doing very well in msia struggling to find something substantial even after 2 years or so.

3) with a proper job, paying market rate, how long before i can get my own place, either a condo or small house ?

would be great to hear some feedback, esp those who have already made it through to Oz.

Thank youuuuuuuu
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post May 24 2016, 03:42 PM

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thanks for your thought

QUOTE(kenji1903 @ May 24 2016, 03:27 PM)
1) first of all, have a good read here, you'll find most of your Visa answers
http://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Visa-1/189-#

2) job hunt is very subjective, maybe some bros here can help

3) again, its subjective, depends on how much is your pay, how much you can save, where you buy, etc...
but if you have been working in both MY and UK, most probably you would already have a house by now... flip it and migrate?
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1) thanks
2) The job hunting honestly is scarring me, i don't want to just keep working a casual job for 1-2 years.
3) i have enough to get me a house but i dont dare buy cause I dont know where ill be in even 3 months.
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post May 24 2016, 11:08 PM

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ipohnoel, thank you so very much for taking the time ! really appreciate it.

1) - Superb explanation ! the reason I get confuse is that perhaps I came from staying in the UK, and there visa and PR are very different things. Was shocked to learn that I can straight up apply for a PR in Oz. But now i think i get it.

2) - thanks ! yea from what i can see its very hard to tell, very legit argument and stories for either camps.

3) - Wow that is quite exp. considering tax are so much higher in Oz. how much for utilities generally ? Elec, gas (esp for winter) and internet




QUOTE(ipohnoel @ May 24 2016, 07:40 PM)
Just my opinion and experience, may differ for other people:

1) Visa and PR is kind of the same thing in a way but to answer your question it is a PR if I understand your intentions which is to stay permanently in Australia. 189 superseded 885 and 175 which were the previous commonly applied visas. This visa lets you stay for 5 years from the date you get granted which at the end you can renew (subject to certain conditions you must meet for renewal).

2) I'm not in your field but not uncommon to hear that sort of story. There are a lot of graduates from all over the world here so you really have to fight tooth and nail for your spot here. However, it's not all doom and gloom as I've seen many had a break through even after as long as 3 years into their field finally if you stick to it. A bit hard to say, I'll leave this to the others who hopefully has had a successful experience with similar circumstances to yourself. I went through the education route so might differ quite a bit.

3) This is based on Melbourne market, you're looking at around 500k-600k for an apartment (2 bedroom) or around 650k-750k for a townhouse so it can vary. You would want to avoid paying LMI which is very costly so this means you're looking at around 80% LVR (in general), base case of 110k for 20% downpayment if you go for 2 bedroom apartment. If you have a partner to help you out it's very doable but will definitely take you at least a few years to prepare especially first home unless you're already sitting on a pile of cash. Alternatively, you can find financiers  who can do up to 90% LVR or buy and rent it out till you are ready to move in (there are tax benefits for this).
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post May 25 2016, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ May 25 2016, 10:10 AM)
Ok, will assist and reply as much as I can:
1) yes it is. U can get 190 too if not enuf points but need to live in that states for 2 years

2) well...very subjective. Some ppl landed with jobs way b4 they step foot here, some 1 to 2 weeks, months or year.
Connection always played major role here with current market. Local experience is the main key too. So try to get into ur profession even though it's small pay or casual. It does helps

3) melb and syd price is pricey but has the higher return investment. Perth 500k can get big house but with low rental income now. Perth is gloomy now....so depends on ur profession demand. If u get a job in perth then it's a good living environment but it's a so called WAIT AWHILE STATES (WA) sloooooooow and steady
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Thank you so much for your time Nemesis !

1) yes i think both also need to complete 2 years out of 5 I believe. But I don't get is, is it only after completing the 2 years only I would have a full PR ?

2) wow ?! really ? would you mind to elaborate how did ppl manage to do that ? because (correct me if I am wrong) most Oz companies will only start to consider you once you have a PR or you are a citizen ? how can I snag a job while still here in Msia ?

"Connection always played major role here" -----> wait i thought Oz is white country and in white country, cable no use one right ? its merit based ?

3) Nice !! thanks for the info, but I am aiming to be in Melbourne cause my the majority of my family and friends are there.
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post May 25 2016, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(jianh @ May 25 2016, 12:56 PM)
I think for 189 also need to remain in Aussie (regardless of state) for up to 2 years for renewal purpose.
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thanks bro ! yes i believe its the same. So is it after i complete 2 years I can go in and out of Oz as a full Oz PR ?
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post May 25 2016, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ May 25 2016, 10:12 AM)
- Tax is higher cos u get safety net. Unemployment benefits, aged care pension etc.
If u look at property pricing, i think it is almost 1:1 in dollar terms between KL/Syd/Mel.
Electricity/gas - v subjective. Depends on how much u use heater n how long u shower and which state. WA is more exxy, VIC a bit cheaper. In VIC, elec/gas is $150 a month with little use of heater/gas.
Internet - depends on areas. Some areas unlimited ADSL for $70 per month, others $90.
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yup... i am ok with the higher tax, been working in the UK for a few years before this and used to it. And i actually feel the benefit of it, health care and like you said Unemployment benefits.

how much % higher do you pay in the winter...but i guess in Oz it doesnt get very cold right ? (compared to EU of course)
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post May 25 2016, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(ipohnoel @ May 25 2016, 06:44 PM)
We usually think the visas (at least for myself) as PR or TR. Do you satisfy the point eligibility for 189?

On your 3rd point, this is based on guesstimates using my own as well, very consistent with what Shazam gave u:

1. Internet - $70 monthly (just taking iinet as an example)
2. Water ($40 monthly on average; just beware that if you are a homeowner it wil be approx $100 monthly because of surcharges)
3. Electricity ($100 monthly average, winter would add anothe $50 assuming you're going to use heater during winter but don't go crazy on this)
4. Gas ($50 monthly average assuming you plan to cook and you use gas stove)

Houses in Melbourne has been rising a lot because of the increasing population and foreign buyers. If you dont mind living further out, you can get cheaper prices than the ones I've quoted. On the plus side, interest rates just dropped recently is expected to dropped furher in the 2nd half of this year. We're currently in a historically low interest rate environment.
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Yes, i did the little online test thingy and I have enough.

ahh right.. thanks so much ! but i think i would wana be in melb when i go. at the moment i am not thinking about ROI, i jst want my own place for myself. pretty sick of moving around already.
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post Nov 7 2016, 10:37 PM

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Hi you guys, i've actually had the thought of applying for the 189 visa/pr at the beginning of the year but then i sorta wanted to give it a real go working here in msia...so the desire sorta died down towards the middle of the year...but its life and shit happens... i am at the point where i really dont think I can stand working here anymore... plus family have been urging me to migrate to aussie.

so, I was wondering those here who have engaged migration agents, please could you recommend a good one ?

I've seen the list of AU GOV approved list of migration agents be even after some googling, some of them has some bad records. Also wondering if any agents would refund if the application is not successful ?
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post Nov 17 2016, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(Jeebs @ Nov 8 2016, 07:40 AM)
I used to engaged with Global Migration Solutions 8 years ago. But my visa type was cancelled by the government and GMS cuci tangan and say not their fault. So all migration fees forfeited.
The agent will only refund you the 'agent fee' if they make a mistake during the application. If your application has a mistake that DIBP cannot accept and reject, your immigration fees will be forfeited.

You can apply on your own without agent. It is abit of a hassle yes. But when you engage an agent, you still have to prepare the documents, contact your ex-company, book your own english exam. What agents do is proof read, make sure your timeline is correct and make you apply properly.
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thank you for your reply, mayynneee sorry to hear that ! i agree with your points but having done a few of my uk visa myself the hardest part is to know weather or not your documents meet the immigration requirements so i find it helpful if the agent can do that for me. but yea.. their fees are expensive...
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post Nov 17 2016, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(jtsl9 @ Nov 8 2016, 08:58 AM)
I also engaged with GMS and manage to obtain my PR couple of months ago. Although i engaged with an agent, I still constantly check with them on my status and read up on the rules changes. Cause these agents have plenty of clients so we have to ensure that our applications are moving along and not be left behind.
For me, my skill set was in the consolidated list so i needed a state to sponsor my skill set before being invited to apply for PR once I meet the requirements. I even consulted a second agent opinion early this year as I was unsure if I should renew my documents as they are expiring May 2016. I just didn't want to spend extra money to get my documents renewed as the second agent mentioned that GMS should not even taken up my case as my skill set was not in demand. 
But I was lucky cause at that time NSW was sponsoring ppl with high points, I had 70 points with state sponsor. After that the process went by pretty quickly and smoothly.
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congrats ! rclxm9.gif and thank you for your reply, thanks for your tips i guess its for our own so i guess its only right if we keep chasing them, good point ! how much did your agent fees cost and how long did the process take ?
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post Dec 29 2016, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(samo1390 @ Dec 28 2016, 11:58 AM)
Theres been a change in requirements for Skilled Migrations? Meaning by July 2017, those that are able to apply, must quickly apply before they carry out new changes in system after that ?
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What are the changes, do you mind to share ?
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post Dec 29 2016, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(Soony @ Dec 29 2016, 07:47 AM)
You are right, which means getting an invitation from government from your EOI before 1st July. So probably best to put your EOI as early as possible.
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damm... do you know whats the changes ? and do you know how long to wait to get an invitation after you register your EOI ?
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post Dec 29 2016, 10:37 PM

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Hi guys,

1) Been asking around and been recommend and migration agent by the name of "Worldlink" have anyone here have any experience with them ?

Worldlink Business Consultants Sdn Bhd
Suite A1203, A12th Floor
Wisma Lim Foo Yong
No. 86, Jalan Raja Chulan
50200 Kuala Lumpur
Malaysia

2) Also I wanted to know, if I have relative that are Aussie citizen's does that add points to my application ? I am looking to get the skilled 189 visa.

3) And knowing Malay or Mandarin add 5 points to my application as 'designated language' ??

4) Does a person with 75 points get faster respond to his visa application compared to one that has only 60 ?

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post Dec 31 2016, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(Soony @ Dec 29 2016, 10:57 PM)
Quite dependent on how many points you have, the more points you have the faster you get invited and also it's quite dependent on your occupation.

To give you a feel, I applied in mid 2015 with 70 points and was invited within a month.
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ahhh i see, wow that's really fast, yea best case scenario i am looking at 70 too ! if you don't mind what industry is your occupation in ?
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post Dec 31 2016, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(teikwing @ Dec 30 2016, 04:54 AM)
Submitted EOI back in 2014 with 65 points under 189/190 and was selected for State Sponsorship within a day. Lodged prior to 1st July new financial year. Timeline as follows:

IELTS: 08/03 (exam), 14/03 (passed)
SA: 28/03 (submitted), 10/04 (positive)
EOI: 01/05
SS (akn): 02/05
SS (docs submitted): 08/05
SS (approved): 25/05
Invite: 25/05
PCC: 12/05 (approved)
Medicals: 02/06 (done)
Visa Lodged: 29/06 (Docs front-loaded)
CO Allocation: N/A
Grant: 18/08
1. Unheard of
2. No - it's known as Skilled Migration for a reason. Having studied previously in AUS helps with points, in addition to other factors ie. age, education level etc
3. No
4. Yes
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wow !!! thank you so so much for taking the times to re-cap the details ! thats really great timeline, compared to some of the stories i've heard.

interestingly enough - can you turn down state nomination ? because under the 189 skilled migrant, aren't you allowed to work anywhere of your choice ? i feel state sponsorship to be restrictive.
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post Dec 31 2016, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Dec 30 2016, 07:54 AM)
1) Yes I have heard of them. My parents' friends who are Aussie citizens now used their services in 2000. I used Global Migration. I think Worldlink does NZ visas too.

2) No. Does not make a difference for 189/190.

3) No as well.Not unless you're applying for an SOL that is a translator; but this will require proof and relavant assessing bodies to assess your skills and docs.

4) Yes. I had 75 points. They didn't even have to count my Aussie degree and all my working experience; I would've had more then.
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1) ahhh cool, is GM good ? how much do they charge ? refund if unsuccessful ?

2) ok, noted.

3) ahh i see, no i ask cause i was taking the points test on the aussie gov website and there was a question on additional language i know, so naturally i picked malay and later saw on the points tally that i got 5 points for it, i thought that was odd, so i thought i'd ask here.

4) Coolio !!!!! thats good, i am pretty sure i can get 60, but best case is 70.
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post Dec 31 2016, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(alwayshappy @ Dec 31 2016, 08:00 AM)
3) Yes you will be awarded 5 points if you pass the NATTI translator/ interpreter assessment and got accreditation.
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ooohh.. interesting !!! i just learned something new today ! thanks ! do you know how much that assessment cost ? something tells me its not worth it for the 5 points ! lol i mean of course unless someone really needs the 5 points la.
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post Dec 31 2016, 05:24 PM

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So new questions popped into my head...

1) Gona try my luck the Mech. Eng. (specializing in automotive) SOL, but i really want to be in Melbourne (for personal reasons) and i would really really like to work in the city ( i'am all bout that city life ) how realistic is this aspiration ?

2) Failing this, i was going to consider working as a consultant or one of those mgnt consultancies - does anyone happen to know how open these places are into accepting ppl from an engineering background ?


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post Jan 3 2017, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Dec 31 2016, 06:33 PM)
Yea lah bro, that's what I meant by taking a test and having the proper docs to assess.
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i see, thanks bro !
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post Jan 3 2017, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Dec 31 2016, 06:35 PM)
GM was good, for me anyway. They'll only take you on if they're certain that you'll get. Apparently theire success rate is almost 100%, so they screen you first with a 'free assessment'.

Refund of the visa fee if unsuccessful but not the agency fee. I remember when I signed the first document engaging them. Do read the docs carefully if you do.
If you're taking IELTS, a total score of 8 should be okay to boost your points significantly.
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Wah ! I didn't know they had such a good track record, i think i may have come across them when i was researching migrations agents before, but didnt know this about them. How long ago did you deal with them ? any particular agent/staff to recommend ?

I see, and how much was the agent fee for you ?

Yea, think i should be ok with 7 (i hope) lol but 8 might be a stretch, my spelling suck balls. but i do agree if can get 8 then surely no problem.



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