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 Investors Club V9, Previously known as Traders Kopitiam

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cherroy
post Feb 23 2017, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Feb 23 2017, 10:26 AM)
I wonder who is pushing up the share price of PETRONM (3042). It was suffering a loss of about 3% the other day.

Today the price has gone up 22.68% as we speak. Currently the market price is RM5.680. This is madness.

This means that if an investor put in RM100K, he would have made RM22K plus within a week?
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The share price surged after reporting good profit figure with generous dividend announced.

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post Feb 23 2017, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 23 2017, 04:57 PM)
Not necessary, if the company that do not pay dividend can grow their earnings quickly is also good.So it depends.
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The market appreciates and rewards more towards those always reward shareholders the company profit with dividend.

See those stingy dividend even with tons of cash pile of few billions, share price can underperform for decade.
Share price below NTA, or share price at cash per share etc.

While those reward shareholder with max (near to its EPS), share price sky-rocketing even with little NTA in the book.

We see those so called "expensive stock" are those giving generous dividend one.

A stock (generous dividend) with NTA RM1, share price RM50,
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B stock (stingy dividend) with NTA RM10, share price RM5.

A keep on outperform B in the history.

Profit grows, shareholders also must be rewarded, if not forever can see, cannot touch, just like tons on money in the cabinet, but no access into it, what's for?
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post Mar 29 2017, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Mar 29 2017, 09:44 AM)
Just to share my thoughts. Assuming one is a high risk trader. He has a margin account or a normal collateralised account for RM1 million. He bought RM1 million worth of shares in PetronM-CB yesterday. It went up about 40%. This morning as we speak, it has gone up another 16.44%. Therefore the total gain is about 56%.

A high risk trader/speculator would have picked up a cool RM560K in less than 2 days of trading. Am I correct in my calculation? If so, is this how the traders make big money? High risk, high gain?

What if things turn south at T+3? Instead of going up, PetronM-CB dives 40%. Now what? You are out of pocket for RM400K. The remisier comes knocking on your door for payment? Force sell your existing shares?

Frankly, I don't think I have the stomach to do this type of high risk trading.
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Yes, the share will be forced sell by the broker/investment bank if cannot meet the margin call.

Normally, there is clause in margin trading allowed broker to force sell your collaterised share if cannot meet the margin call within the stipulated period.
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post Apr 25 2017, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(Nemozai @ Apr 24 2017, 12:31 AM)
I have doubt with books because I'm afraid some sections of those books from US may only apply to US stock market. Does this happen to be the case?
Can these two books be apply in our market? Thanks for your guidance  notworthy.gif

The Intelligent Investor: The Definitive Book on Value Investing. A Book of Practical Counsel (Revised Edition)
Security Analysis, Sixth Edition (Leather Bound Edition)
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Financial analysis basically is rather the same across, but due to difference in corporate practice, culture, how management being run even company history etc, it may affect how the company is valued by investors aka how the share price performance.

Eg,
Base on financial figure, some so called "red chips" were super cheap and extreme value, hard to resist.
Share price Rm0.10
NTA RM1.00
PE 1-3

Super duper undervalued and cheap.
But we know some of the outcome of it, despite look super duper cheap on paper.

Investing is not a science formula like everytime 1+1 must be equal to 2.

Today ABC company may be highly valued, but few years later due to obsolete/change in technology, change of favour of consumer pattern etc, its value can diminish quickly one.
We never know. This is something any book won't able tell us one.

In stock market, whenever we are paying a share price level, we are buying the company "future" not buying the past.
While the flaw of financial analysis is we are buying based on the figure that already happened aka the past.

So there is some "art" in investing as well.
Figure serves as guidance, but not a definite factor.

Some old timers using "art" or "instinct" of investing, only investing in some well known good management company that always rewarding the shareholders.
They do pretty well in the stock market, in fact may earn a fortune with long term holding.

While another person may be always punching figure doing PE, NTA count, financial analysis ended up bought tons of so called "red chip".


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post May 9 2017, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 9 2017, 11:20 AM)
Tenaga forward dividend yield to be around 4-5%

Treat it as something like property investment, buy and hold for "rental" income
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I don't think it could be as high of 4-5%, 3-4% should be a more realistic dividend yield target.

They can't give all the profit as dividend like BAT, or like other consumer stocks.
Cash is needed for capex as well as expanding for more power station, as electricity consumption will only go higher not lower.

Not to mention potential higher borrowing cost in USD in the future or when needed for refinancing time (as Fed is expected to increase interest rate further), as it has significant USD borrowing.

But if RM vs USD exchange rate favourable, coming quarter may see some forex gain as well.

It is a defensive stock, and one of cheaper stock in term of valuation for big cap or KLCI components.

The risk of this stock is always the same throughout the history aka tariff revision if fuel cost goes higher time.


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