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 Investors Club V9, Previously known as Traders Kopitiam

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post Feb 23 2017, 10:26 AM

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I wonder who is pushing up the share price of PETRONM (3042). It was suffering a loss of about 3% the other day.

Today the price has gone up 22.68% as we speak. Currently the market price is RM5.680. This is madness.

This means that if an investor put in RM100K, he would have made RM22K plus within a week?

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post Feb 23 2017, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 23 2017, 11:09 AM)
Announced good results ma...u no read?
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Eh got ah? Sorry my bad. blush.gif
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post Feb 23 2017, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 23 2017, 10:31 AM)
Stockmarket is irrational... mostly it is head behavior...

Stay rational and don't try to chase those gains.. unless there are good fundamentals behind it.
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Yes, I agree. Thanks Gark.

P/S: I plan to set aside about 10% of my portfolio for short term trading.
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post Feb 23 2017, 12:34 PM

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3 stocks in my portfolio still not doing well - AEON Credit, CIMB and Ta Ann.

Ta Ann is bleeding quite badly today. Currently at RM3.990. down -1.72%. To continue topping up? Decision, decision....

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post Feb 23 2017, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 23 2017, 12:56 PM)
Just saying....

If I buy a stock and it falls....
There's only one thing I would ask.....

Did i buy the wrong stock?
Did i buy the right stock but at the wrong price?
Buying more?
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I choose to buy more AEON Credit and Ta Ann. I went fishing today for these stocks but could not catch it. Instead I got RHB Bank. I cancelled my earlier order for RHB and submitted a new order at 4.20 p.m. for RM4.920. Managed to catch the fish! Landed 2200 shares. RHB closed at RM4.940. sweat.gif

QUOTE(gark @ Feb 23 2017, 01:11 PM)
Just buy a short while only... let time take care of the fluctuations lah. Then only the true value of the company is known either up or down. laugh.gif

Dont treat the stocks like a casino lar.. treat it like what it is.. a piece of a 'real' business.

Not sure if want to top up? Is the reason you buy still there? Will profits next year higher than this year? Is the valuation fair?

If yes to all 3, then go ahead to top up.  tongue.gif
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Ok sifu. Can I treat about 10% to 15% of my war chest as casino? sweat.gif My finger itchy. The rest of my money will be mid to long term investments. blush.gif

I will continue to top up AEON Credit, CIMB and Ta Ann if there are good opportunities. But now really no ammo. Have to wait for my reinforcement troops next month. sweat.gif

QUOTE(Coup De Grace @ Feb 23 2017, 05:00 PM)
Good results for Padini, Oldtown and Maybank, HLBank

Recovery of retail and banking sectors?
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My 2 cents is yes. I bought Oldtown about 2 weeks ago. The unrealised profit has now spiked to 16.316%.
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post Feb 23 2017, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 23 2017, 05:27 PM)
While waiting for pinky...i checked already.

Higher revenue and profit for palm oil segment. <---- performing sector

Lower revenue for wood segment and net loss. <---- culprit  tongue.gif

35% drop in log and plywood sales.. and 14% decline in average selling price, so wood is not doing well at all  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Coup De Grace @ Feb 23 2017, 05:31 PM)
Doesn't bode well for Ta Ann...

Maybe pure plantation companies should be a better investment
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Alamak die lor like that for Ta Ann. sweat.gif

When is the results coming out and is the best place to view it? Malaysiabizstocks?
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post Feb 23 2017, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Feb 23 2017, 05:38 PM)
whoa, so many stocks you hold! must be big time investor.
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I am not a big time investor. I am just a small fry. sweat.gif

I will cap my portfolio to a maximum of 20 stocks. Ideally I hope to hold only 10 to 15 stocks. That is just my own preference.


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post Feb 23 2017, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Feb 23 2017, 06:05 PM)
those stock you hold are not cheap in terms of absolute price per share.
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My 2 cents, I just look at the value of the stocks and not really the price. Even if the market crash from time to time, these stocks should rebound. It won't turn into a PN17 case.

No right and wrong approach I guess. All the sifus here would have different approach. I am still learning. notworthy.gif
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post Feb 23 2017, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 23 2017, 06:30 PM)
3 sens.

You do know that you don't  have to report your trades.
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Opps. Sorry about that. Sometimes a newbie like me get over excited. I won't report about my trades anymore. 😅
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post Feb 24 2017, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(lynetnonyma @ Feb 23 2017, 07:51 PM)
Don't listen to Boon3. This is a forum to share. You report what you want, as long as not private or sensitive info. It is actually nice to read what others trade. Sometimes its stocks that you have not looked at and it gives a chance to have a look at it.

Boon3 does not share his trades. He is too afraid that others will take what is reported as tips and go jump into those stocks without doing any homework. He does not want to be responsible for that. I say if people want to do that and end up losing, its their problem. I think people are mature enough to make their own decision and take responsiblity for their actions. So treat all as adults here.  Go ahead and share if you want.
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QUOTE(Coup De Grace @ Feb 23 2017, 07:56 PM)
I see

Sharing method, but not the stocks
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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 23 2017, 08:00 PM)
Share everything lar.. makes the forum more interesting.  tongue.gif
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Hi thanks for the encouragement guys. I thought I breached some unwritten rules in this thread by sharing my daily trading activities and what shares I think would be value investment.

After all, IMHO this is a public forum and members should exchange info and knowledge so that everyone can prosper together.

Boon3 Please skip reading my posts in the future. tongue.gif


QUOTE(tehoice @ Feb 24 2017, 09:33 AM)
noted. nice. good. on the right track.

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Hi thanks for the compliment.

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post Feb 24 2017, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(Coup De Grace @ Feb 24 2017, 11:17 AM)
Sometimes oversharing is not a good idea. Especially since you have so many counters. I only have 4.

I think your banking stocks and heim, oldtown are good buys now especially with the positive results.

Maybe u can just share your trades here which you think can benefit the forum members also so that we can prosper together?
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I guess I was lucky that I bought HEIM and OldTown before their positive results were announced and their share price increased.

Ok so I won't suggest too many counters because it may confuse the members. In my current portfolio, I think the stocks with potential are:-

1. OCK Group Berhad
2. TENAGA
3. RHB Bank.

Of course there are other stocks in my portfolio which I think have potential. But you say don't share too many stocks so I restrict myself to just 3. tongue.gif

Please have a look at the fundamentals of OCK Group Berhad. Its growth in revenue year after year and the increase in its cash reserve, growth in eps, etc. I think it has great potential. It is a BUY call from all the analysts.

For TENAGA, it is a BUY call by all the analysts with the targeted price from RM15.450 to RM18.20. The current price is RM13.50. Look at its eye watering cash reserve increase of 66.45% to RM1.48 billion, its growth in net income and growth in dividend per share and eps, etc.

As for RHB Bank, I quote from the StarOnline on 22nd February 2017:-

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No right and wrong answer. Everyone will have their own method to value a company. thumbup.gif
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post Feb 24 2017, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 24 2017, 11:02 AM)
Please do continue to share.

Tell us your losses.

Tell us your wins.

Don't just share your wins and "I-told-you-so" stories... whistling.gif
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I am an honest and straight forward person-lah Pink Spider. biggrin.gif

I thought this thread is the same like the Fundsupermart thread where the members will inform each other what unit trusts they are currently buying and selling, some will post their monthly portfolio and some will even upload their actual FSM statements to show their gain. shocking.gif

But maybe this thread is a bit different? Some sifu just talk but don't show their actual portfolio or the shares that they actually bought? So really Kopitiam trader? rclxub.gif

No problem. I will definitely post here about my overall portfolio whether it is making a profit or suffering losses. If it is making a profit, how I can improve further? If I make a loss, what can the members here learn from my mistake? sweat.gif
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post Feb 24 2017, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Feb 23 2017, 08:18 PM)
Could you share how do you justify a value of a stock at the moment?  hmm.gif

To me the price u pay for a stock could determine the result of your investment  hmm.gif
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Hi bro, my kung fu level is very shallow. Not sure whether it is worth sharing. blush.gif

I believe in value investment and having a margin of safety. The usual analysis like liquidity of the company, the book value, the debt to equity ratio, revenue and net income for the past 5 years, growth in EPS, the ROE, etc.

I try to aim for blue chip stocks which are undervalued and growth stocks if possible.

If the company has an economic moat, so much the better. thumbup.gif

I am sure you know much more about all the above than me. smile.gif

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post Feb 24 2017, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 24 2017, 12:18 PM)
Investing in fund and stock is different.. if fund, you got in wrongly.. not so much risk, lose a bit and at the most you keep holding.

If stock, you got in the wrong stock, you can lose the entire capital.

Sometimes if people lose capital when following other people's advice/hints/posting etc, they may get angry...

Also there might be some toxic people who push up nonsense stocks to boost it up and then sell to make quick profit.

So people are more cautious about promoting stocks, but dont worry, our community here is much better and adult compared to other forums.. rclxms.gif
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Hi thanks for the explanation Gark. IMHO, losing the entire capital is possible if it is a penny stock. But with blue chip stocks, I think it should be quite "safe".

Anyway I think it would be foolish for anyone to just buy a stock based on a member's recommendation. Surely they will do their own further research before jumping in? shakehead.gif

P/S: Some highly volatile unit trusts also can lose 20% of their value in one year. biggrin.gif

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post Feb 24 2017, 12:45 PM

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Bro, you are holding Ta Ann rite? Any recent bad news that I should be aware of? Otherwise I may continue to top up today. It is currently down -3.51%. Mega sales coming? biggrin.gif
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post Feb 24 2017, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 24 2017, 12:47 PM)
Reporting QR soon i think (not sure).. usually if near QR and very negative.. means not good results..  sweat.gif
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Ok noted with thanks Gark.
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post Feb 24 2017, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(holybo @ Feb 24 2017, 01:13 PM)
not all blue chips are safe.. many blue chips fallen to potato chips, recent example: skpetro?  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 24 2017, 01:28 PM)
Not necessary blue chip is 'safe' one.. in business there are no 'safe' one.. everything we do is a risk.. tongue.gif

If you are long in the market, you can see some blue chips fails and some fail spectacularly.. not you only, some of the best businessmen (Kwok) and government agency in Malaysia (POS) also can get caught..

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I agree. That's why in my earlier post I put the word "safe" in inverted comma. biggrin.gif

Nobody can help skpetro. It is a cyclical stock. The wholly bloody oil and gas industry collapsed worldwide. cry.gif

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 24 2017, 01:45 PM)
Penjaga van, your RHB results announced:

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed...cements/5346457

Not improving? tongue.gif
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Thank you Pink Spider. So how, buy or hold now? rclxub.gif Ta Ann is still less than 10% of my total portfolio.

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post Feb 24 2017, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 24 2017, 03:13 PM)
If given a choice to bet/choose between JTiasa and Ta Ann, I would go for the latter. tongue.gif
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My bola besi for Ta Ann went back inside the cupboard already.

After some thought, I have decided to queue up for Genting Berhad instead at RM9.120. This is partly due to the revised target price by the analysts ranging from RM9.010 to RM10.970.

Previously I bought it for RM8.660. The unrealised profit is now at 5.54%.

Edited : My order for Genting Berhad has been matched at RM9.120.

P/S: If Ta Ann still continues to fall new month and once my second war chest/reinforcement troops arrive, I will re-visit it again. tongue.gif

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post Feb 25 2017, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 25 2017, 11:07 AM)
Power Root one of the few reporting improved results.

Bodes well for Nestle? hmm.gif

Thinking to go back to Nestle
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Please buy Nestle and join me. 😃

In difficult times like this, we need some defensive stocks.
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post Feb 26 2017, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Feb 26 2017, 10:35 AM)
Nestle good stock but too overprice now. Unless price down abit. sad.gif
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Maybe we should look at the value of the company and not the price?

If Company A (a penny stock) sells at RM0.50 per share and Company B (a stalwart) sells at RM12.00 per share, if both prices drop to zero, you will still suffer a 100% loss.

I would rather take my chances and buy Company B.

My 2 cents worth as usual...

P/S: Nestle is for long term investment. I don't think it will turn into a ten bagger anytime soon. smile.gif

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